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whiskybear
Die NHL ist kaput
February 17, 2005 at 03:18AM View BBCode
I'm pretty pleased this thread hasn't been made yet, since it highlights the simple fact that no one fucking cares about that second-rate league, but the NHL canceled its season. First time ever a pro sports league has axed an entire season. Personally, I'm glad the lousy NHL has to bear the burden.
msse
February 17, 2005 at 03:34AM View BBCode
I've always enjoyed hockey (especially UAA-go Seawolves) but this is how I feel:
youngallstar
I care very much for hockey and I am very upset that the season is lost. If the Idiot owners and players dont come to terms by this October than I will say to hell with the NHL.
February 17, 2005 at 04:23AM View BBCode
Hush little bear.I care very much for hockey and I am very upset that the season is lost. If the Idiot owners and players dont come to terms by this October than I will say to hell with the NHL.
hobos
February 17, 2005 at 05:00AM View BBCode
To me, hockey isn't really anything more than something to watch when nothing else is on or an excuse to have a fantasy team. I won't be happy if the NHL falls through, then soccer might have a chance to gain popularity. And we can't allow that can we?
msse
--white puck
--plexiglass goalie w/3 cutouts to shoot puck through
--midget hockey
--leper hockey
February 17, 2005 at 05:06AM View BBCode
how about some hockey modifications--white puck
--plexiglass goalie w/3 cutouts to shoot puck through
--midget hockey
--leper hockey
abarkov
No theres no chance of that. Only kids like soccer and there parents are forced to suffer it because of them. Make no mistake soccer is a joke and always will be until they stop selling their best players to European teams and until they stop letting their player miss many games to play in some meaningless exhibition games call the World Cup during their season.
On to hockey, I think the only people who will miss it here in Columbus are about 17 fans and some bar and restaurant owners who built by the arena.
[Edited on 2-17-2005 by abarkov]
February 17, 2005 at 03:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by hobos
To me, hockey isn't really anything more than something to watch when nothing else is on or an excuse to have a fantasy team. I won't be happy if the NHL falls through, then soccer might have a chance to gain popularity. And we can't allow that can we?
No theres no chance of that. Only kids like soccer and there parents are forced to suffer it because of them. Make no mistake soccer is a joke and always will be until they stop selling their best players to European teams and until they stop letting their player miss many games to play in some meaningless exhibition games call the World Cup during their season.
On to hockey, I think the only people who will miss it here in Columbus are about 17 fans and some bar and restaurant owners who built by the arena.
[Edited on 2-17-2005 by abarkov]
whiskybear
It's really such a burden for teams to allow their players to represent their country every fourth year in a sporting event that is much bigger than the Super Bowl, World Series and NBA Finals combined worldwide.
And who's "their" best players? The same Central and South American countries who sell their athletes to the best baseball teams in the world, right here in the U.S.A.? The same European countries who send their athletes on the transatlantic trip to play for the best basketball teams in the world? Players play where the money and the competition is best. How can you blame world soccer for having that market cornered, since the U.S. could give two shits about the sport beyond peewee leagues?
February 17, 2005 at 04:13PM View BBCode
Originally posted by abarkov
No theres no chance of that. Only kids like soccer and there parents are forced to suffer it because of them. Make no mistake soccer is a joke and always will be until they stop selling their best players to European teams and until they stop letting their player miss many games to play in some meaningless exhibition games call the World Cup during their season.
It's really such a burden for teams to allow their players to represent their country every fourth year in a sporting event that is much bigger than the Super Bowl, World Series and NBA Finals combined worldwide.
And who's "their" best players? The same Central and South American countries who sell their athletes to the best baseball teams in the world, right here in the U.S.A.? The same European countries who send their athletes on the transatlantic trip to play for the best basketball teams in the world? Players play where the money and the competition is best. How can you blame world soccer for having that market cornered, since the U.S. could give two shits about the sport beyond peewee leagues?
lvnwrth
But if the greedy players and the idiot owners can't get together and figure out how to stop being mutually bone-headed it will be some time before hockey is played again in the US.
February 17, 2005 at 04:17PM View BBCode
I miss hockey. It's a great game.But if the greedy players and the idiot owners can't get together and figure out how to stop being mutually bone-headed it will be some time before hockey is played again in the US.
abarkov
February 17, 2005 at 04:20PM View BBCode
No, I dont blame the players, I only meant to point out that they call it Major League Soccer and it is nothing more than a minor league for European teams. An yes I would say it is a burden if you are a major league to allow your best players to miss games during the season. It would certainly incense me if I bought season tickets to MLS thinking the team had a star player or two and then they were gone for much of the season for World Cup. They also miss games for the tryouts too.
Vicar
February 17, 2005 at 08:22PM View BBCode
Sports talk radio in NY had an interview with a reporter from Calgary who felt that it would not be one but two seasons lost and that the deal the players would eventually get would be worse than the one they turned down yesterday!:puzzled:
ABDREW
February 17, 2005 at 10:13PM View BBCode
if the NHL doesn't start on time next year, consider it done. Most owners were operating in the red already and are now losing more $ with noting coming in. I say a deal is done by May and they spend the rest of the time revamping things to make it more marketable
Benne
:yawn:
And this is how I feel about soccer:
(Insert Mr. hankey pic here)
February 17, 2005 at 10:22PM View BBCode
No offense to you YAS but this is how I feel about hockey.:yawn:
And this is how I feel about soccer:
(Insert Mr. hankey pic here)
lvnwrth
If they don't play hockey for another 12 months, my guess is the NHL is that hockey will die in Florida, North Carolina, Nashville, Atlanta, and Phoenix. I don't know what will happen in Dallas. I doubt that hockey will survive if the Stars ever go into a prolonged period of non-competitiveness.
I don't think hockey in southern California is a sure thing. Pittsburgh could fold. So could Buffalo.
I think in the next NHL salaries will be such that Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton won't have to worry about losing their teams. If that happens, I think it's possible that teams could go back into Winnipeg and Quebec City. Hockey will not only survive, but will thrive in Canada, and certain US markets. It may take it a few years to recover, like it did baseball, but where hockey is strong, it will bounce back.
New York, Chicago, Boston, Detroit, St. Louis, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Columbus will all eventually be okay. All the Canadian teams will be okay. San Jose will be okay. Colorado will be okay. But I could easily see the NHL becoming a 24 team league...maybe even a 20-team league.
February 18, 2005 at 02:32AM View BBCode
If they don't play hockey till December or January of 2006, then the NHL will be in serious trouble in certain venues. Bettman miscalculated the ability of the game to attract a following in places where kids don't play hockey.If they don't play hockey for another 12 months, my guess is the NHL is that hockey will die in Florida, North Carolina, Nashville, Atlanta, and Phoenix. I don't know what will happen in Dallas. I doubt that hockey will survive if the Stars ever go into a prolonged period of non-competitiveness.
I don't think hockey in southern California is a sure thing. Pittsburgh could fold. So could Buffalo.
I think in the next NHL salaries will be such that Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton won't have to worry about losing their teams. If that happens, I think it's possible that teams could go back into Winnipeg and Quebec City. Hockey will not only survive, but will thrive in Canada, and certain US markets. It may take it a few years to recover, like it did baseball, but where hockey is strong, it will bounce back.
New York, Chicago, Boston, Detroit, St. Louis, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Columbus will all eventually be okay. All the Canadian teams will be okay. San Jose will be okay. Colorado will be okay. But I could easily see the NHL becoming a 24 team league...maybe even a 20-team league.
youngallstar
February 18, 2005 at 02:37AM View BBCode
Dallas fell in love with the Stars when they won the cup in 99. If the Stars go into a long period of non competition the organization will still survive. We have had hockey rinks pop up all over the place in the last few years and a lot of high schools in the area have hockey teams. The only way the NHL will fail in Dallas is if another season is lost
youngallstar
February 18, 2005 at 02:40AM View BBCode
I can see the LA Kings folding since I dont think they sell out hardly any of their home games. But the San Jose Sharks have a deeply devoted fan base and they sell out most of their home games if not all of them. Also Anaheim is probably safe since they made the finals a few years back and picked up a lot of followers
lvnwrth
February 18, 2005 at 03:13AM View BBCode
Anaheim has a weak fan base in an oversaturated market. In addition to the Kings, Lakers, and Clippers you've got all the other stuff going on in LA. I don't think the Mighty Ducks are safe. They were the latest novelty when they went to the finals a few years back, but if any city in America defines our "what have you done for me lately" culture, it's LA.
hobos
February 19, 2005 at 04:33AM View BBCode
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1994750]not so fast...[/url]
msse
February 19, 2005 at 04:39AM View BBCode
If they play now, the post-season would be longer than regular season
abarkov
February 19, 2005 at 02:56PM View BBCode
Somebody should have stuck a stake in its heart when it was down.
lvnwrth
If the league does this, all true hockey fans....all ten of us...should refuse to watch a game...refuse to attend a game...refuse to listen to a game on radio. Both sides need a clear signal...since they apparently don't get it. They don't have many fans, and the ones they do have are pissed.
Let the season be dead. When you're dog's been hit by a car and loses one leg, you take him to the vet, have an amputation performed, and the dog learns that it can't lift it's good leg to take a pee. BUT...when the dog loses three legs, you have it put to sleep. This season needs to be put to sleep...it's a one-legged dog.
February 19, 2005 at 05:04PM View BBCode
I'm a hockey fan. I am disappointed that the 2004-05 season has been lost. BUT...it's dead and gone. True hockey fans don't want it back at this point. To try and play some goofy 28-game "exhibition" season would just make a further travesty of the debacle that is the last six months.If the league does this, all true hockey fans....all ten of us...should refuse to watch a game...refuse to attend a game...refuse to listen to a game on radio. Both sides need a clear signal...since they apparently don't get it. They don't have many fans, and the ones they do have are pissed.
Let the season be dead. When you're dog's been hit by a car and loses one leg, you take him to the vet, have an amputation performed, and the dog learns that it can't lift it's good leg to take a pee. BUT...when the dog loses three legs, you have it put to sleep. This season needs to be put to sleep...it's a one-legged dog.
andrew
As for everyone who was badmouthing soccer...
...you suck.
February 19, 2005 at 08:22PM View BBCode
I don't think playing a short hockey season would be a bad idea. There are many people (myself included) who only like hockey for it's postseason. So maybe adapting a 41 game season (half the normal length) wouldn't be a bad idea (the NBA could also look into doing this).As for everyone who was badmouthing soccer...
...you suck.
ME
The regular season doesn't really matter for either the NBA or NHL cause so many teams make the playoffs - they could probably just run through a 20-game season and it wouldn't make much difference as compared to 80 or however many they normally play.
February 19, 2005 at 08:32PM View BBCode
Soccer Sucks.The regular season doesn't really matter for either the NBA or NHL cause so many teams make the playoffs - they could probably just run through a 20-game season and it wouldn't make much difference as compared to 80 or however many they normally play.
lvnwrth
As for bad-mouthing soccer, what some consider "bad-mouthing", others simply view as an honest observation.
February 19, 2005 at 08:36PM View BBCode
I don't think NBA should start until April. Just have the playoffs and forget the regular season.As for bad-mouthing soccer, what some consider "bad-mouthing", others simply view as an honest observation.
andrew
I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think soccer is a beautiful game. The problem is (much like hockey) it doesn't translate well onto TV. Hockey is too fast for TV, and soccer takes place on too big of a field to give a full view of what is going on a TV screen.
I guess it is too bad people (in America) don't give soccer a chance. I think what bugs me the most, however, is that, somehow, soccer has gotten written off a a "pussy sport".
February 19, 2005 at 08:52PM View BBCode
Originally posted by lvnwrth
As for bad-mouthing soccer, what some consider "bad-mouthing", others simply view as an honest observation.
I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think soccer is a beautiful game. The problem is (much like hockey) it doesn't translate well onto TV. Hockey is too fast for TV, and soccer takes place on too big of a field to give a full view of what is going on a TV screen.
I guess it is too bad people (in America) don't give soccer a chance. I think what bugs me the most, however, is that, somehow, soccer has gotten written off a a "pussy sport".
lvnwrth
Can you imagine a bunch of NFL players trying to go full-bore for 90 minutes on a soccer field? Or MLB or NBA players trying to skate full out, all the while wondering if some NHL version of Brian Urlacher is going to clean their clock?
I actually enjoy both games, though I agree with your assessment that they don't play well on TV. Unfortunately in the US market, that spells certain death. Instead we wind up with Arena Football...which is played, by the way, by guys who aren't good enough to be in the NFL.
But, I think the reason they don't play well on American TV is that fans aren't educated, and the casual fan doesn't care to learn either game. Anybody who's grown up with the NFL can figure out arena football in about thirty seconds. I say this because the highest rated televised sporting events in Europe are soccer matches. The highest rated television program in Canada is Hockey Night in Canada...or it is when the NHL is playing.
Never underestimate the self-imposed ignorance and laziness of the casual American sports fan.
February 19, 2005 at 09:25PM View BBCode
That's sort of funny (sad-funny, not haha-funny), because it terms of aerobic fitness, hockey and soccer are probably the two most demanding team sports out there.Can you imagine a bunch of NFL players trying to go full-bore for 90 minutes on a soccer field? Or MLB or NBA players trying to skate full out, all the while wondering if some NHL version of Brian Urlacher is going to clean their clock?
I actually enjoy both games, though I agree with your assessment that they don't play well on TV. Unfortunately in the US market, that spells certain death. Instead we wind up with Arena Football...which is played, by the way, by guys who aren't good enough to be in the NFL.
But, I think the reason they don't play well on American TV is that fans aren't educated, and the casual fan doesn't care to learn either game. Anybody who's grown up with the NFL can figure out arena football in about thirty seconds. I say this because the highest rated televised sporting events in Europe are soccer matches. The highest rated television program in Canada is Hockey Night in Canada...or it is when the NHL is playing.
Never underestimate the self-imposed ignorance and laziness of the casual American sports fan.
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