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Jizzy
C.P.
December 09, 2002 at 06:41PM View BBCode
I've had three players with 5 coaches points on them and no one had improved in a few games. Then I had a 28 year old 2nd basemen who's never had any coaches points on him improve. Do you think ABE has a mind of his own sometimes and just does stuff to be a smart-ass?:D
FiveToolPlayer
December 09, 2002 at 07:02PM View BBCode
This was a bug that was found a little while ago and it was supposed to be fixed. Maybe not. However, when the guy improved, did you have any unassigned coaching points floating around?
jer2911
Check and see if what the id numbers of the players with five CPs on them are. Then check the id number of the guy who improved. Then check and see if the number of one of the guys who hasnt been improving is the highest number and the guy who just improved has the lowest number.
Let me know what you find.
December 09, 2002 at 09:57PM View BBCode
Jizzy, do this, and post back on this thread what you find.Check and see if what the id numbers of the players with five CPs on them are. Then check the id number of the guy who improved. Then check and see if the number of one of the guys who hasnt been improving is the highest number and the guy who just improved has the lowest number.
Let me know what you find.
poppa0101
cps
December 09, 2002 at 11:04PM View BBCode
what are ID player id numbers and how do you 'check them'?
Jizzy
Tony Duffy-I.D.# 20252
Chuck Ambler-I.D.#21438
Jim Martin-I.D.# 21512
(P.S. they didn't improve last game either)
The player that did improve is Roy Louden formerly of KCWE, his I.D.# is 20414.
December 09, 2002 at 11:10PM View BBCode
The three players who haven't improved with 5 points are:Tony Duffy-I.D.# 20252
Chuck Ambler-I.D.#21438
Jim Martin-I.D.# 21512
(P.S. they didn't improve last game either)
The player that did improve is Roy Louden formerly of KCWE, his I.D.# is 20414.
celamantia
--Chris
December 10, 2002 at 09:30PM View BBCode
For some of my guys, an injury is an improvement... :(--Chris
Jizzy
December 10, 2002 at 10:30PM View BBCode
My minors are worthless, unless the players are improving and it's just not showing up. (I doubt that though) This isn't the first time this season I've had an improvementless streak. I'm beginning to think it's more important to start my youngsters for improvements. At least I know their going to get at-bats.
tysok
It seems to me, just by the few seasons I've mapped so far, that if you're winning you get more improvements. It may just be that when you're winning you see them, and when your losing your too depressed to see them....
I do know, however, that I have seen VERY few blow out games with an improvement to a losing team. Every time my team win by about 4 runs, 4-0 or 12-8 I always see an improvement on my team, but if I lose by more than 4 I don't think I've ever seen a player improve.
This probably isn't coded in though, which is weird. However a lot of things are weird with computers, so if it even remotely looks at something that MAY have been able to occur in the game it could let this happen....
I doubt this is real, it seems that the tanking of seasons would be found to be a bad thing if it were, but it's a strange phenom. :)
With nothing really being said here, I will finally say something. I'm not a proponent of randomness, and especially not in the minors. I think the most correct way to go would take a good while to program, but the randomness is not good. There isn't anything random in baseball except how the player will perform (an A contact hitter may have a bad year, striking out 100 more times than normal and hitting .075 worse than normal) but for the most part.... (to misquote a line from a movie) There's no randomness in baseball!!!! :D
December 11, 2002 at 12:02AM View BBCode
How is your team doing in the standings?It seems to me, just by the few seasons I've mapped so far, that if you're winning you get more improvements. It may just be that when you're winning you see them, and when your losing your too depressed to see them....
I do know, however, that I have seen VERY few blow out games with an improvement to a losing team. Every time my team win by about 4 runs, 4-0 or 12-8 I always see an improvement on my team, but if I lose by more than 4 I don't think I've ever seen a player improve.
This probably isn't coded in though, which is weird. However a lot of things are weird with computers, so if it even remotely looks at something that MAY have been able to occur in the game it could let this happen....
I doubt this is real, it seems that the tanking of seasons would be found to be a bad thing if it were, but it's a strange phenom. :)
With nothing really being said here, I will finally say something. I'm not a proponent of randomness, and especially not in the minors. I think the most correct way to go would take a good while to program, but the randomness is not good. There isn't anything random in baseball except how the player will perform (an A contact hitter may have a bad year, striking out 100 more times than normal and hitting .075 worse than normal) but for the most part.... (to misquote a line from a movie) There's no randomness in baseball!!!! :D
Jizzy
December 11, 2002 at 06:39AM View BBCode
My players do seem to improve less when I'm losing, which is totally backwards.
khakurat
the main things i've noticed is the difference that age makes - that's been really detailed in the beta league - and well...it's hard to say exactly, but it seems that some players are just resistant to improvements. what's worse, they seem to keep other players from improving as well. i just had a player in the minors for about twenty games and there were very few improvements. once i pulled him out everybody started up again.
my guess is that some of the players are just partyers and drag the other guys out with them. they are all up all night and don't have the energy or focus to improve. it's just a theory though.
December 11, 2002 at 07:07AM View BBCode
i think that's the disgust factor you're talking about tysok. you're so disgusted by your teams poor performance that you forget to look. lol. i often have to go back and look for the improvement later. i've had about 65-75 improvements this year, in the mays league, and nowhere near that many wins.the main things i've noticed is the difference that age makes - that's been really detailed in the beta league - and well...it's hard to say exactly, but it seems that some players are just resistant to improvements. what's worse, they seem to keep other players from improving as well. i just had a player in the minors for about twenty games and there were very few improvements. once i pulled him out everybody started up again.
my guess is that some of the players are just partyers and drag the other guys out with them. they are all up all night and don't have the energy or focus to improve. it's just a theory though.
Jizzy
December 11, 2002 at 09:39PM View BBCode
Two wins, two improvements. Same guys, same points. Go figure. Morale?
Jizzy
Two wins no improvements.
December 12, 2002 at 04:57PM View BBCode
18 year old Jim Martin is not benefitting from his minor league stay.
Jizzy
December 12, 2002 at 05:06PM View BBCode
Ambler and Duffy improved 2 games in a row (once each) a couple games back.
khakurat
the 23 year old pitcher has a 20% chance of improvement and the 24 year old has an 18% chance. the young cf you've got points on has an 80% chance, but he won't come up all the time. i'm not real sure how the logic of picking the players works. i don't know if it's a straight percentage chance or what.
anyway, you'll get improvements, but just not all the time.
December 13, 2002 at 09:06AM View BBCode
i went and looked at the players you've got cps on and i'd say the problem is that you're trying to improve two pitchers. there's no problem or bug with that. they just don't improve very often.the 23 year old pitcher has a 20% chance of improvement and the 24 year old has an 18% chance. the young cf you've got points on has an 80% chance, but he won't come up all the time. i'm not real sure how the logic of picking the players works. i don't know if it's a straight percentage chance or what.
anyway, you'll get improvements, but just not all the time.
andrew
23 year old pitcher- 1 improvment every 15 games
24 year old pitcher- 1 improvment every 16 games
Young CF prospect- 1 improvment about every 4 games.
That means over the course of 16 games you should get about 6 impovements, 4 for the CF and one for each of the pitchers.
Thanks for bringing up the point the pitchers rarly improve khakurat.
December 13, 2002 at 03:52PM View BBCode
With five CP on all of those guys I believe it comes out to-23 year old pitcher- 1 improvment every 15 games
24 year old pitcher- 1 improvment every 16 games
Young CF prospect- 1 improvment about every 4 games.
That means over the course of 16 games you should get about 6 impovements, 4 for the CF and one for each of the pitchers.
Thanks for bringing up the point the pitchers rarly improve khakurat.
Jizzy
December 13, 2002 at 04:08PM View BBCode
I understand the pitcher thing, but my true annoyance is the 18 year old. With 5 CP's he hasn't improved in at least 20 games. This is pointless.:mad: I don't know if he's going to go on an improvement streak that I wouldn't want to miss, or if I should just promote him.
andrew
If he has good health and you are out of the race then I would promote him
December 13, 2002 at 04:12PM View BBCode
Ohh, I see that maybe a the bug then. Is he the youngest guy on your team. (or did you already post that ;) , sorry for asking if you did).If he has good health and you are out of the race then I would promote him
jer2911
December 13, 2002 at 04:30PM View BBCode
I agree with you, it definately is fishy. After 20 games, Jim should have improved at least once. (Maybe you should just trade him to me. I'll take REAL good care of him. :D) It sounds exactly like the bug that we found in the Beta League. Those changes were supposed to have been moved over though.
celamantia
December 13, 2002 at 04:36PM View BBCode
In another post I mention Willie Mays League seeing another CP bug that I thought was fixed. Tyson?
Jizzy
December 13, 2002 at 06:14PM View BBCode
He is the youngest. I wanted to promote him after the first few games with no improvements, but I told myself 1 improvement and I'll promote him. I'm still sticking to that for some reason. I'd like to see him improve in like three games in a row or something.:DPages: 1 2