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RiverRat
I have the same problem with Netscape om Mac OS 9.1
In Internet Explorer Dynasty Vision won't even load.
May 04, 2004 at 12:31AM View BBCode
Originally posted by RSS
The new DynastyVision scoreboard seems to be locking up my Internet Explorer browser whenever I try to click on the show all ( > ) arrow.
[Edited on 5-3-2004 by RSS]
I have the same problem with Netscape om Mac OS 9.1
In Internet Explorer Dynasty Vision won't even load.
celamantia
There's about a 5 second lag (depending on your computer speed) before the box score appears... I'm working on reducing that.
Note: if the players aren't lined up on the field properly, you may need to empty your cache.
--Chris
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by celamantia]
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by celamantia]
May 04, 2004 at 02:57AM View BBCode
Try it now...There's about a 5 second lag (depending on your computer speed) before the box score appears... I'm working on reducing that.
Note: if the players aren't lined up on the field properly, you may need to empty your cache.
--Chris
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by celamantia]
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by celamantia]
arodtoo
edit: the time continues to run even after the game is over, isn't the dynasty vision supposed to disapeere after the game is over
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by arodtoo]
May 04, 2004 at 03:25AM View BBCode
why does it have the time listed and updating during the game, i think that might be the pointless thing ever, no offense, i don't think it adds anything to the game, creates more load time, and takes up more space. I like the new dynasty vision but any chance it could be shrunk a bit horizontally and remove the timeedit: the time continues to run even after the game is over, isn't the dynasty vision supposed to disapeere after the game is over
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by arodtoo]
celamantia
The time uses the same images as the rest of the numeric displays, with the exception of the word "time" and the colon; these total about 1K. The display is wider to accomodate additional stats (which I haven't added yet); the clock just fills dead space in that section.
The DynastyVision continues to update after the game is over to keep updating the out-of-town scores. A link appears above it to show the box score. DynastyVision doesn't automatically disappear so you can see the last play of the game and watch the out-of-town scores finish.
May 04, 2004 at 03:36AM View BBCode
Originally posted by arodtoo
why does it have the time listed and updating during the game, i think that might be the pointless thing ever, no offense, i don't think it adds anything to the game, creates more load time, and takes up more space. I like the new dynasty vision but any chance it could be shrunk a bit horizontally and remove the time
edit: the time continues to run even after the game is over, isn't the dynasty vision supposed to disapeere after the game is over
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by arodtoo]
The time uses the same images as the rest of the numeric displays, with the exception of the word "time" and the colon; these total about 1K. The display is wider to accomodate additional stats (which I haven't added yet); the clock just fills dead space in that section.
The DynastyVision continues to update after the game is over to keep updating the out-of-town scores. A link appears above it to show the box score. DynastyVision doesn't automatically disappear so you can see the last play of the game and watch the out-of-town scores finish.
jer2911
A few minor things...
-Is there any way you could bold/underline/italicize (whichever looks the best) the player's name who is currently batting? It's not necessary but is something that would add to the "cool" effect.
-The "score by inning" shifts to the left after the game is over instead of being centered as it is during the game. Is this intentional?
-Is there any way to make it so that DynastyVision isn't bouncing all over the screen from play to play? It seems to move to accomodate the text on the left making it hard to follow the "in game" play-by-play.
But wow... DynastyVision sure has come a long way from the green and brown field with blue dots... :D
May 04, 2004 at 07:29AM View BBCode
Thanks for the updates Chris, it seems to be working great on Mozilla FireFox now. :DA few minor things...
-Is there any way you could bold/underline/italicize (whichever looks the best) the player's name who is currently batting? It's not necessary but is something that would add to the "cool" effect.
-The "score by inning" shifts to the left after the game is over instead of being centered as it is during the game. Is this intentional?
-Is there any way to make it so that DynastyVision isn't bouncing all over the screen from play to play? It seems to move to accomodate the text on the left making it hard to follow the "in game" play-by-play.
But wow... DynastyVision sure has come a long way from the green and brown field with blue dots... :D
jer2911
I've got IE 6.02 and am running on XP.
May 04, 2004 at 07:38AM View BBCode
I just noticed something with IE after I posted. The players appear to be "off position"... at first I thought it was some sort of "shift" and was like "Whoa cool!" Then when I realized they weren't "shifting back" to their normal positions I took a screenshot.I've got IE 6.02 and am running on XP.
jer2911 has attached this image:
DeVeau31
May 04, 2004 at 10:06AM View BBCode
Originally posted by celamantia
Try it now...
Note: if the players aren't lined up on the field properly, you may need to empty your cache.
--Chris
jer2911
I knew that I couldn't have been the first person to see that and was pretty sure there was something I missed... It's working fine now... thanks Tom... :)
May 04, 2004 at 10:15AM View BBCode
Haha! Doh! Too much time up late at night with term papers... :(I knew that I couldn't have been the first person to see that and was pretty sure there was something I missed... It's working fine now... thanks Tom... :)
celamantia
I'm going to see if I can trim this, but I'll probably have to go back to the way it was and just not put in the extra stats.
--Chris
May 04, 2004 at 11:50AM View BBCode
Arod does have a point. The new display is 50 pixels wider than the old one; it is now 500 pixels. If you are using the old menus and a low resolution or a smallish window, the play-by-play will get crammed off to the right.I'm going to see if I can trim this, but I'll probably have to go back to the way it was and just not put in the extra stats.
--Chris
DeVeau31
1. Hits and Errors don't tally up like the runs do. From a looks perspective, I think that should be added.
2. I find it disturbing to be looking at dynasty vision, but not really able to focus on it because I need to look on the left and see what's going on. It would be outstanding if you could add a row underneath the dynasty vision, same background color as the top, and have the text flow in that. This way you can actually focus on the dynasty vision while still being able to read what's going on.
3. SB and CS aren't refreshing for me, it always says 10/10.
4. Next to the player's names on the right, you have a little room, is it possible to show their current stats for the game? Maybe say, "3 1B Art Barber 2-3, HR, 2 RBI" or something like that. Show hits, but if they hit a HR or have an RBI, show that as well? I would like to see what they've currently done so far.
I think that's all I have for now.
May 04, 2004 at 12:24PM View BBCode
overall I am impressed. A few things I have a problem with but not sure if it can be fixed or is worth it.1. Hits and Errors don't tally up like the runs do. From a looks perspective, I think that should be added.
2. I find it disturbing to be looking at dynasty vision, but not really able to focus on it because I need to look on the left and see what's going on. It would be outstanding if you could add a row underneath the dynasty vision, same background color as the top, and have the text flow in that. This way you can actually focus on the dynasty vision while still being able to read what's going on.
3. SB and CS aren't refreshing for me, it always says 10/10.
4. Next to the player's names on the right, you have a little room, is it possible to show their current stats for the game? Maybe say, "3 1B Art Barber 2-3, HR, 2 RBI" or something like that. Show hits, but if they hit a HR or have an RBI, show that as well? I would like to see what they've currently done so far.
I think that's all I have for now.
tysonlowery
IE 6.0 on PC
Netscape 7.1 on PC
Netscape 7.0 on Mac OS9
which all work fine.
I'm having problems with IE 5 on Mac OS9. Anybody else having isssues? What I'm seeing is that the page tries to load the images, and then just sits there with the screen that says "Loading Images, please wait". It says 82 of 82 images loaded, but nothing happens. I emptied the cache, but I don't think I had ever been to the new DynastyVision with the Mac before today.
I agree with Tom on number 2 - I fear a backlash on this, but maybe I'm wrong.
I'm not too concerned about the spacing with the old navigation system - the changes we put in place recently should make it so that nobody has to use the old system. And for those that use it out of preference... well :P
May 04, 2004 at 03:50PM View BBCode
I have tested it with:IE 6.0 on PC
Netscape 7.1 on PC
Netscape 7.0 on Mac OS9
which all work fine.
I'm having problems with IE 5 on Mac OS9. Anybody else having isssues? What I'm seeing is that the page tries to load the images, and then just sits there with the screen that says "Loading Images, please wait". It says 82 of 82 images loaded, but nothing happens. I emptied the cache, but I don't think I had ever been to the new DynastyVision with the Mac before today.
I agree with Tom on number 2 - I fear a backlash on this, but maybe I'm wrong.
I'm not too concerned about the spacing with the old navigation system - the changes we put in place recently should make it so that nobody has to use the old system. And for those that use it out of preference... well :P
celamantia
Working in it now...
I agree. I want to put the play-by-play where the roster is now, but there are scrolling issues with Netscape. Or I can flesh out the roster to highlight the current batter and use the Due Up box for the current line. But you are absolutely right on this one..
They're placeholders; I had to widen the display to get those in, but it may be too wide now.
That was the plan, but there's not as much room as it looks once column padding goes in. I definately need to add what they've done in the game, but again where to put it?
Sad as it sounds, I might have to dump the field/fielders display and go back to a very simple "Who's on first?", as it takes up a lot of room...
May 04, 2004 at 04:25PM View BBCode
Originally posted by DeVeau31
1. Hits and Errors don't tally up like the runs do. From a looks perspective, I think that should be added.
Working in it now...
2. I find it disturbing to be looking at dynasty vision, but not really able to focus on it because I need to look on the left and see what's going on. It would be outstanding if you could add a row underneath the dynasty vision, same background color as the top, and have the text flow in that. This way you can actually focus on the dynasty vision while still being able to read what's going on.
I agree. I want to put the play-by-play where the roster is now, but there are scrolling issues with Netscape. Or I can flesh out the roster to highlight the current batter and use the Due Up box for the current line. But you are absolutely right on this one..
3. SB and CS aren't refreshing for me, it always says 10/10.
They're placeholders; I had to widen the display to get those in, but it may be too wide now.
4. Next to the player's names on the right, you have a little room, is it possible to show their current stats for the game? Maybe say, "3 1B Art Barber 2-3, HR, 2 RBI" or something like that. Show hits, but if they hit a HR or have an RBI, show that as well? I would like to see what they've currently done so far.
That was the plan, but there's not as much room as it looks once column padding goes in. I definately need to add what they've done in the game, but again where to put it?
Sad as it sounds, I might have to dump the field/fielders display and go back to a very simple "Who's on first?", as it takes up a lot of room...
DeVeau31
May 04, 2004 at 04:37PM View BBCode
if you take out the text on the left, which it sounds like we might be doing, then this will open up a lot of room on the page and I suggest making it at least 600px wide. In reality, it could be as wide as the header is, but I don't suggest doing that. If you went 600 wide, you'd have more room to add stuff in and wouldn't have to worry about the text on the left, as it will be under the dynasty vision display now.
moovolong
It looks good/works well on:
Moz 1.5/Win32
Opera 7.11/Win32
I agree on point #2. If you just watch DV by itself, it's hard to see what just happened in the previous play.
May 04, 2004 at 04:46PM View BBCode
How about some fireworks and big scrolling HOME RUN in lights? :DIt looks good/works well on:
Moz 1.5/Win32
Opera 7.11/Win32
I agree on point #2. If you just watch DV by itself, it's hard to see what just happened in the previous play.
celamantia
I had thought of that, replacing the field temporarily with animated GIFs during a special event. As the number of images climbed, though, I decided against it. DV loads about 87 images now just for the dynamic images; there are static images to load, too.
By modifying some features, I could cut back on the number of images and thus load times. Using graphical dot-matrix or manual-style numbers as opposed to plain text adds 17 images. Adding the logos to the out-of-town scores costs 16 images. Having different color lights for balls, strikes and outs instead of all one color adds four images, and I could eliminate two more if I used text for those. The headers for that section are all graphical; I could save another 7 or 8 images by eliminating those. Then there's the new graphical control bar, which is much nicer than the old grey buttons but costs about 14 images...
I was at one time going to do the team names and city codes in the same graphical styles as the numbers, but that would add another 18 images to each load.
Now granted, all of the images are tiny, and 87 images probably adds up to about 120K, but it's a lot faster to load a single 120K image than 87 1.4K images (most browsers can only get four images at a time). And all of this for a system that most people probably skip past as soon as it loads...
Speaking of which, I added a feature for those who want to watch a game but are short on time. If you click on the header for an inning on the line score, the display will advance to that inning and pick up from there. (It's a little slow right now; I'm working on speeding it up.) So if you don't have a lot of time, you can click on the "7" in the line score and the display will fast-forward to the 7th inning so you can watch the rest of the game. Once I get everything else complete, I'm thinking of adding a "highlights" mode where it will fast forward to key moments in the game, play normally until the key moment is over, then speed up to the next key moment. The tricky part is defining "What's a ey moment", and that would depend on the game (a home run in a 0-1 game is a much bigger deal than a home run in an 18-12 slugfest)... But I'll leave that for last, as the deadline is getting uncomfortably close...
--Chris
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by celamantia]
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by celamantia]
May 04, 2004 at 06:14PM View BBCode
Originally posted by moovolong
How about some fireworks and big scrolling HOME RUN in lights? :D
I had thought of that, replacing the field temporarily with animated GIFs during a special event. As the number of images climbed, though, I decided against it. DV loads about 87 images now just for the dynamic images; there are static images to load, too.
By modifying some features, I could cut back on the number of images and thus load times. Using graphical dot-matrix or manual-style numbers as opposed to plain text adds 17 images. Adding the logos to the out-of-town scores costs 16 images. Having different color lights for balls, strikes and outs instead of all one color adds four images, and I could eliminate two more if I used text for those. The headers for that section are all graphical; I could save another 7 or 8 images by eliminating those. Then there's the new graphical control bar, which is much nicer than the old grey buttons but costs about 14 images...
I was at one time going to do the team names and city codes in the same graphical styles as the numbers, but that would add another 18 images to each load.
Now granted, all of the images are tiny, and 87 images probably adds up to about 120K, but it's a lot faster to load a single 120K image than 87 1.4K images (most browsers can only get four images at a time). And all of this for a system that most people probably skip past as soon as it loads...
Speaking of which, I added a feature for those who want to watch a game but are short on time. If you click on the header for an inning on the line score, the display will advance to that inning and pick up from there. (It's a little slow right now; I'm working on speeding it up.) So if you don't have a lot of time, you can click on the "7" in the line score and the display will fast-forward to the 7th inning so you can watch the rest of the game. Once I get everything else complete, I'm thinking of adding a "highlights" mode where it will fast forward to key moments in the game, play normally until the key moment is over, then speed up to the next key moment. The tricky part is defining "What's a ey moment", and that would depend on the game (a home run in a 0-1 game is a much bigger deal than a home run in an 18-12 slugfest)... But I'll leave that for last, as the deadline is getting uncomfortably close...
--Chris
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by celamantia]
[Edited on 5-4-2004 by celamantia]
andrew
I am having the same problem. Mac OS 9.2, IE 5. It takes forever to load andf then I get the same 82/82 you got.
It looks great on Mozilla. I sure would like to see that roster replaced by the play by play though.
May 05, 2004 at 01:25AM View BBCode
Originally posted by tysonlowery
I'm having problems with IE 5 on Mac OS9. Anybody else having isssues? What I'm seeing is that the page tries to load the images, and then just sits there with the screen that says "Loading Images, please wait". It says 82 of 82 images loaded, but nothing happens. I emptied the cache, but I don't think I had ever been to the new DynastyVision with the Mac before today.
I am having the same problem. Mac OS 9.2, IE 5. It takes forever to load andf then I get the same 82/82 you got.
It looks great on Mozilla. I sure would like to see that roster replaced by the play by play though.
tysonlowery
May 05, 2004 at 01:28AM View BBCode
I asked this in another thread - anybody running Mac OS 10?
RiverRat
I'm running OS 9.1 on my computer and have OS X on another machine here. I'll check DV on it a little later and let you know what I find.
BTW, I run Internet Explorer and Netscape on the OS X machine. I'll check them both.
May 05, 2004 at 02:19AM View BBCode
Originally posted by tysonlowery
I asked this in another thread - anybody running Mac OS 10?
I'm running OS 9.1 on my computer and have OS X on another machine here. I'll check DV on it a little later and let you know what I find.
BTW, I run Internet Explorer and Netscape on the OS X machine. I'll check them both.
RiverRat
Dynasty Vision worked GREAT using Netscape in OS X!
Internet Explorer was a different story. Dynasty Vision wouldn't load. I get the "loading images...please wait" message. Then it says 82 0f 82 images loaded.
[Edited on 5-5-2004 by RiverRat]
May 05, 2004 at 03:02AM View BBCode
Originally posted by tysonlowery
I asked this in another thread - anybody running Mac OS 10?
Dynasty Vision worked GREAT using Netscape in OS X!
Internet Explorer was a different story. Dynasty Vision wouldn't load. I get the "loading images...please wait" message. Then it says 82 0f 82 images loaded.
[Edited on 5-5-2004 by RiverRat]
RiverRat
IE 5.2.3
May 05, 2004 at 03:16AM View BBCode
Originally posted by celamantia
What version of IE?
IE 5.2.3
celamantia
Now, when I fixed some of the Netscape things earlier, I broke IE things. So even if you don't have a Mac, it would be helpful to keep an eye on this thread tonight and jump in with whatever browsers you have as I post fixes. You can assume that WinXP with IE 6 and WinXP with Netscape 6.2 will work, because that's what I have available here.
Thanks for any help you can provide!
--Chris
May 07, 2004 at 03:27PM View BBCode
Okay, everyone... I'm on a mission tonight to solve the Mac issues, probably starting around 7PM ET. I'll open my Web server to the outside so we don't have to wait for Tyson to upload my changes.Now, when I fixed some of the Netscape things earlier, I broke IE things. So even if you don't have a Mac, it would be helpful to keep an eye on this thread tonight and jump in with whatever browsers you have as I post fixes. You can assume that WinXP with IE 6 and WinXP with Netscape 6.2 will work, because that's what I have available here.
Thanks for any help you can provide!
--Chris
tysonlowery
I'm not going to be around tonight - but I thank those of you that can help.
May 07, 2004 at 03:30PM View BBCode
Thanks Chris - the change I made to that while loop yesterday fixed the Images Loading problem - FYI. Its just that next issue that we get stuck on.I'm not going to be around tonight - but I thank those of you that can help.