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maxthesax
Players in caps are in their last year of eligibility (2019) is the current cut-off)
in addition - if a player does not receive a vote in his first 2 years of eligibility, he will be removed from the ballot.
SP:
2024: Bruce Lewis SP 234-121 (65.9%) 234 win s #49.
3.10 era (#14) 1.12 whip (#8) 2495 k (#94) 2.89 k/w ratio
7x as (1 start) 2x cy winner (5 noms), 1 g glove, 4x 20 gamer,
7 era under 3, 10 whips under 1.15. LL in wins, starts (2x) and whip.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10475393
2024: Joe Mickens SP: 255-140 (64.5%) 255 wins # 31
3.54 era (#81) 1.26 whip, 3238 k (#10) 2.43 k/w ratio.
3x as, 1 cy, 1 g glove, 3837 IP (#31)
3 era under 3, 3 whips under 1.15, LL era and shutouts.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10379771
2022: Wilbur DePhillip SP 195-168 53.7 ratio.
3.50 era (#70), 1.21 whip (# 41), 2638 k's (#58) 2.45 k/w ratio
3353 IP (#90), 5x all star, 5 ERA under 3, 7 whip under 1.15,
200k 5x, 4x 20 gamer, LL in ERA.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10766066
2022: Milo Alexander SP: 209 (#80)-146 (58.8 ratio)
3.68 era, 1.29 whip, 2749 k (#41), 2.17 k/w ratio. 3357 IP (#88), 108 CG (#49), 25 shutouts (#51)
5x all star (3 starts), 2 cy awards (3 noms), 3 era under 3, 2 whip under 1.15, 200k 8x, 2x 20 gamer, LL in wins, games started (4x) shutouts and innings pitched (2x).
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273259
RP:
2020: Britt Johnson RP: 84-91 with 425 saves (#17) 82.3% conversion rate. 3.94 era, 1.31 whip, 2.48 k/w ratio
1x fireman winner (7 noms), 9x all star, 3 era under 3, 3 whip under 1.15 and 3x 40 saves.
Catchers:
Infielders:
2023: Glen Anderson: 1b: 295 ave (#65) 252 hr, 1137 rbi, 371 ob (#46) 1452 runs scored (#73) 211 sb (66.7 pct success)
ROY, 5 x GG, 6x All Star (2 starts), 1 mvp (4 noms)
hit 300 8x, scored 100 6x, 30 steals 6x (1 at 40), LL in ave, OB, 2b.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273242
2022: Duane Gaudet SS: 277 ave, 348 hr (#79), 1429 rbi(#56, 1376 runs (#90), stole 397 bases (#48) 75% success
2 ggloves, roy, 1 mvp (4 noms) 5x all star (2 starts)
hit 300 2x, 30 hr 1x,100 rbi 4x, 100 r 1x, 30 steals 2x
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273222
2021: Reggie Jeanes 2b: 294 ave (#69) with 304 hr, 1042 rbi and 1091 runs scored, stole 234 bases (73.5 success).
ROY, 6x all star (3 starts), 2x GG, 2x MVP (6 noms), 497 slg pct (#42), 848 ops (#67) hit 300 7x, had 1 100 rbi season, scored 100 2x, was a LL in ave, slg, ops, hr, 2b. He sits #31 in single season ave (351) #30 in Slg (615) and #35 in OPS (1020)
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273233
2020 Mickey Hicks 1b: 279 ave with 350 hr (#76) 1251 rbi and 1248 runs scored. stole 205 bases (69.7% success).
3 mvp noms, 9x all star (7 starts), hit 300 3x, 100 rbi 3x, 100 runs 2x, 30 hrs 2x, 500slg 7x, 800ops 8x (1x 900) LL Hr, runs.
1WS ring. 7 post season years, hit 253 with 8 hr, 36 rbi and 28 runs scored.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=9804803
Outfielders:
2022: Jackie Lutz OF: 278 ave 324 hr, 1172 rbi, 1329 runs
387 sb (#55) 74.4 ratio. 3 G gloves, roy, mvp, hit 300 3x, 30 hr 2x 100 rbi 2x, 100 runs 5x, 30 steals 5x, LL in ave, slg,ops,hr,hits ,runs, and 3b 2x.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273217
2022: Jock West: OF 292 ave (#90) 308 hr, 1305rbi (#96) 1419 runs (#81), 247 sb 65.8 ratio. 2512 hits #82
6 g gloves, 6x allstar (5 starts), 3 mvp noms, hit 300 6x, had 30 hrs 2x, 100 rbi 3x, 100 runs 5x. His 367 ob pct is #75
LL ave, slg,ob,ops, runs.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10071433
2020 Al Goolsby OF: 290 ave 299 hr. 1150 rbi, 1214 runs scored, 2020sb (76.2% success), 834 ops (#93), 478 slg (#100)
ROY, 1 MVP (3 noms), 4x all-star (2 starts)(and wasn't an all-star in his MVP season - really???), hit 300 7x, 30 hr 2x, 100 rbi 2x, 100 runs 3x, 30 steals 1x, 500 slg 9x, 800ops 10x (900 1x)
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=9804771
hall of fame ballot is here, so come vote
October 15, 2016 at 04:02PM View BBCode
Just to review: you may vote for as many as 5 or as little as zero (as long as you declare that as your intention).Players in caps are in their last year of eligibility (2019) is the current cut-off)
in addition - if a player does not receive a vote in his first 2 years of eligibility, he will be removed from the ballot.
SP:
2024: Bruce Lewis SP 234-121 (65.9%) 234 win s #49.
3.10 era (#14) 1.12 whip (#8) 2495 k (#94) 2.89 k/w ratio
7x as (1 start) 2x cy winner (5 noms), 1 g glove, 4x 20 gamer,
7 era under 3, 10 whips under 1.15. LL in wins, starts (2x) and whip.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10475393
2024: Joe Mickens SP: 255-140 (64.5%) 255 wins # 31
3.54 era (#81) 1.26 whip, 3238 k (#10) 2.43 k/w ratio.
3x as, 1 cy, 1 g glove, 3837 IP (#31)
3 era under 3, 3 whips under 1.15, LL era and shutouts.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10379771
2022: Wilbur DePhillip SP 195-168 53.7 ratio.
3.50 era (#70), 1.21 whip (# 41), 2638 k's (#58) 2.45 k/w ratio
3353 IP (#90), 5x all star, 5 ERA under 3, 7 whip under 1.15,
200k 5x, 4x 20 gamer, LL in ERA.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10766066
2022: Milo Alexander SP: 209 (#80)-146 (58.8 ratio)
3.68 era, 1.29 whip, 2749 k (#41), 2.17 k/w ratio. 3357 IP (#88), 108 CG (#49), 25 shutouts (#51)
5x all star (3 starts), 2 cy awards (3 noms), 3 era under 3, 2 whip under 1.15, 200k 8x, 2x 20 gamer, LL in wins, games started (4x) shutouts and innings pitched (2x).
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273259
RP:
2020: Britt Johnson RP: 84-91 with 425 saves (#17) 82.3% conversion rate. 3.94 era, 1.31 whip, 2.48 k/w ratio
1x fireman winner (7 noms), 9x all star, 3 era under 3, 3 whip under 1.15 and 3x 40 saves.
Catchers:
Infielders:
2023: Glen Anderson: 1b: 295 ave (#65) 252 hr, 1137 rbi, 371 ob (#46) 1452 runs scored (#73) 211 sb (66.7 pct success)
ROY, 5 x GG, 6x All Star (2 starts), 1 mvp (4 noms)
hit 300 8x, scored 100 6x, 30 steals 6x (1 at 40), LL in ave, OB, 2b.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273242
2022: Duane Gaudet SS: 277 ave, 348 hr (#79), 1429 rbi(#56, 1376 runs (#90), stole 397 bases (#48) 75% success
2 ggloves, roy, 1 mvp (4 noms) 5x all star (2 starts)
hit 300 2x, 30 hr 1x,100 rbi 4x, 100 r 1x, 30 steals 2x
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273222
2021: Reggie Jeanes 2b: 294 ave (#69) with 304 hr, 1042 rbi and 1091 runs scored, stole 234 bases (73.5 success).
ROY, 6x all star (3 starts), 2x GG, 2x MVP (6 noms), 497 slg pct (#42), 848 ops (#67) hit 300 7x, had 1 100 rbi season, scored 100 2x, was a LL in ave, slg, ops, hr, 2b. He sits #31 in single season ave (351) #30 in Slg (615) and #35 in OPS (1020)
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273233
2020 Mickey Hicks 1b: 279 ave with 350 hr (#76) 1251 rbi and 1248 runs scored. stole 205 bases (69.7% success).
3 mvp noms, 9x all star (7 starts), hit 300 3x, 100 rbi 3x, 100 runs 2x, 30 hrs 2x, 500slg 7x, 800ops 8x (1x 900) LL Hr, runs.
1WS ring. 7 post season years, hit 253 with 8 hr, 36 rbi and 28 runs scored.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=9804803
Outfielders:
2022: Jackie Lutz OF: 278 ave 324 hr, 1172 rbi, 1329 runs
387 sb (#55) 74.4 ratio. 3 G gloves, roy, mvp, hit 300 3x, 30 hr 2x 100 rbi 2x, 100 runs 5x, 30 steals 5x, LL in ave, slg,ops,hr,hits ,runs, and 3b 2x.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273217
2022: Jock West: OF 292 ave (#90) 308 hr, 1305rbi (#96) 1419 runs (#81), 247 sb 65.8 ratio. 2512 hits #82
6 g gloves, 6x allstar (5 starts), 3 mvp noms, hit 300 6x, had 30 hrs 2x, 100 rbi 3x, 100 runs 5x. His 367 ob pct is #75
LL ave, slg,ob,ops, runs.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10071433
2020 Al Goolsby OF: 290 ave 299 hr. 1150 rbi, 1214 runs scored, 2020sb (76.2% success), 834 ops (#93), 478 slg (#100)
ROY, 1 MVP (3 noms), 4x all-star (2 starts)(and wasn't an all-star in his MVP season - really???), hit 300 7x, 30 hr 2x, 100 rbi 2x, 100 runs 3x, 30 steals 1x, 500 slg 9x, 800ops 10x (900 1x)
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=9804771
spicoli306
1) Bruce Lewis
2) Joe Mickens
3) Glenn Anderson
4) Duane Gaudet
5) Milo Alexander
October 21, 2016 at 06:16AM View BBCode
Cleveland votes for:1) Bruce Lewis
2) Joe Mickens
3) Glenn Anderson
4) Duane Gaudet
5) Milo Alexander
mhollidaze
Seattle votes:
Lewis
Alexander
Lutz
Jeanes
Mickens
Now all you have to do is convince Dodgerbluejimmy to make it unanimous to this point. If he's like me he's suffering through the NLCS game 5 with the Cubs beating my Dodgers!
[Edited on 10-23-2016 by mhollidaze]
October 21, 2016 at 05:13PM View formatted
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...........okay spicoli you made some good points and since I have an open spot I'm convinced.
Seattle votes:
Lewis
Alexander
Lutz
Jeanes
Mickens
Now all you have to do is convince Dodgerbluejimmy to make it unanimous to this point. If he's like me he's suffering through the NLCS game 5 with the Cubs beating my Dodgers!
[Edited on 10-23-2016 by mhollidaze]
spicoli306
1) He only has 3 AS seasons.
2) He only won 1 Cy Young.
Here's the problem, he shouldn't be blamed for mismanagement by his respective owners. I count 9 seasons when he was treated like a back of rotation arm despite a clear history of being above average. Just look at 2019. Joe should have had at least 32 starts that year even with the injury he suffered. That season he led the league in ERA. You telling me he wouldn't have made the AS team if he hadn't pitched more innings. I'd guess he probably should have made at least another 4 AS teams (2013, 2019, 2020, 2022). I voted for Alexander, but not only was Mickens better than Alexander (better ERA, better WHIP, better K/BB rate, almost 50 more wins, almost 500 more K's), he should have been much better.
October 22, 2016 at 06:51AM View BBCode
I'm not sure all the owners are getting an accurate read on Mickens. This is a pitcher who despite some pretty poor handling still amassed a fantastic career. I can see two reasons he is left off ballots:1) He only has 3 AS seasons.
2) He only won 1 Cy Young.
Here's the problem, he shouldn't be blamed for mismanagement by his respective owners. I count 9 seasons when he was treated like a back of rotation arm despite a clear history of being above average. Just look at 2019. Joe should have had at least 32 starts that year even with the injury he suffered. That season he led the league in ERA. You telling me he wouldn't have made the AS team if he hadn't pitched more innings. I'd guess he probably should have made at least another 4 AS teams (2013, 2019, 2020, 2022). I voted for Alexander, but not only was Mickens better than Alexander (better ERA, better WHIP, better K/BB rate, almost 50 more wins, almost 500 more K's), he should have been much better.
mhollidaze
I don't usually see having to defend my picks but since you brought one of my players into the mix, Milo Alexander, let's look at this a little closer. And I'm glad you did because I like to have dialog with you spicoli.
You scratched the surface and I agree that Alexander and Mikens could be considered close based on regular season stats. But that's not what it's all about. Look at the Money Games, the playoffs and WS. Mikens ws 6-9 in the post season with 1.43 Whip and a decent, though not great 3.75 ERA in 120 innings. He played on some pretty good ATL teams in his early 30's. Alexander on the other hand was 8-1 in the post season with 1.28 Whip and a pretty decent 2.84 ERA in 95 innings pitched. Not to shabby. This is what puts him above good ol' Joe on my list. Show me the MONEY!!
October 22, 2016 at 02:44PM View BBCode
Originally posted by spicoli306
I'm not sure all the owners are getting an accurate read on Mickens. This is a pitcher who despite some pretty poor handling still amassed a fantastic career. I can see two reasons he is left off ballots:
1) He only has 3 AS seasons.
2) He only won 1 Cy Young.
Here's the problem, he shouldn't be blamed for mismanagement by his respective owners. I count 9 seasons when he was treated like a back of rotation arm despite a clear history of being above average. Just look at 2019. Joe should have had at least 32 starts that year even with the injury he suffered. That season he led the league in ERA. You telling me he wouldn't have made the AS team if he hadn't pitched more innings. I'd guess he probably should have made at least another 4 AS teams (2013, 2019, 2020, 2022). I voted for Alexander, but not only was Mickens better than Alexander (better ERA, better WHIP, better K/BB rate, almost 50 more wins, almost 500 more K's), he should have been much better.
I don't usually see having to defend my picks but since you brought one of my players into the mix, Milo Alexander, let's look at this a little closer. And I'm glad you did because I like to have dialog with you spicoli.
You scratched the surface and I agree that Alexander and Mikens could be considered close based on regular season stats. But that's not what it's all about. Look at the Money Games, the playoffs and WS. Mikens ws 6-9 in the post season with 1.43 Whip and a decent, though not great 3.75 ERA in 120 innings. He played on some pretty good ATL teams in his early 30's. Alexander on the other hand was 8-1 in the post season with 1.28 Whip and a pretty decent 2.84 ERA in 95 innings pitched. Not to shabby. This is what puts him above good ol' Joe on my list. Show me the MONEY!!
spicoli306
I'm not even attacking your pick of Alexander necessarily. This isn't really a Alexander vs. Mickens vote. This is a _________ vs. Mickens vote. A vote against Mickens is essentially saying he's so unworthy of election that he's left off the ballot unnecessarily.
I feel like I already debunked the fact that Alexander and Mickens were equals in the regular season. Despite not pitching nearly as much as possible, Mickens still finished with 46 more wins and 489 K's. Alexander's non-prime year innings were limited, while Mickens' prime year innings were limited. I'm not talking about pulling him earlier from his games; he was pitched in essentially the 5th spot in 2019, 2020, and 2022. 2022 was somewhat forgivable considering he was 36 and had declined twice.
Meanwhile, Alexander pitched 2126 innings (63% career) between 2011 and 2018. During this period, he was an unquestioned ace. Outside of this period, he was very much average. I'm not going to penalize him for this. His owners were smart to utilize his prime years to their maximum while limit his usage while out of it. However, I'm also not going to penalize Mickens for the reverse being true.
Mickens finished with 255 career wins which left him #31 all-time. If you add 2 more wins in 9 seasons he started 32 or less games during his prime (plus 2022), he would have gotten to 273 wins. It's not 300, but it is good enough for a tie for #17 all-time. He also finished 10th in K's. If you add 25 for each of the 9 seasons, that would put him at 3463. That would put him in 5th place.
Finally, I'll agree with your analysis of their respective postseasons. Postseason success is the ultimate test that separates the men from the boys. Alexander was clearly the better pitcher. The only problem with this is the issue of sample size. The playoffs are torture because of this issue. Ultimately, it's not the greatest measure to judge players between because of the randomness in a relatively small number of games.
2 of Alexander's WS rings coincided with his Cy Young years (2012 and 2014). I'm not saying this made him impervious during the playoffs, but it is certainly the best time to have your pitcher in the playoffs. His other 2 rings were collected as the 5th starter for your Seattle team and providing mop-up duty in 2022.
Mickens made it to 6 WS in total. He was inarguably terrible. He got his 1st ring in 2010 when he got blasted in his only start. He was hurt badly against my Rockstars in 2013 and lost 2 games. He pitched even worse in 2014 against Alexander and KC. Finally, in 2020, he had a good start for Atlanta. Despite this, he lost the game and Atlanta lost the series. Then, in 2022, he pitched below average again despite Atlanta winning the World Series. In 2023, he didn't pitch in the playoffs.
October 22, 2016 at 11:13PM View BBCode
Originally posted by mhollidaze
I don't usually see having to defend my picks but since you brought one of my players into the mix, Milo Alexander, let's look at this a little closer. And I'm glad you did because I like to have dialog with you spicoli.
You scratched the surface and I agree that Alexander and Mikens could be considered close based on regular season stats. But that's not what it's all about. Look at the Money Games, the playoffs and WS. Mikens ws 6-9 in the post season with 1.43 Whip and a decent, though not great 3.75 ERA in 120 innings. He played on some pretty good ATL teams in his early 30's. Alexander on the other hand was 8-1 in the post season with 1.28 Whip and a pretty decent 2.84 ERA in 95 innings pitched. Not to shabby. This is what puts him above good ol' Joe on my list. Show me the MONEY!!
I'm not even attacking your pick of Alexander necessarily. This isn't really a Alexander vs. Mickens vote. This is a _________ vs. Mickens vote. A vote against Mickens is essentially saying he's so unworthy of election that he's left off the ballot unnecessarily.
I feel like I already debunked the fact that Alexander and Mickens were equals in the regular season. Despite not pitching nearly as much as possible, Mickens still finished with 46 more wins and 489 K's. Alexander's non-prime year innings were limited, while Mickens' prime year innings were limited. I'm not talking about pulling him earlier from his games; he was pitched in essentially the 5th spot in 2019, 2020, and 2022. 2022 was somewhat forgivable considering he was 36 and had declined twice.
Meanwhile, Alexander pitched 2126 innings (63% career) between 2011 and 2018. During this period, he was an unquestioned ace. Outside of this period, he was very much average. I'm not going to penalize him for this. His owners were smart to utilize his prime years to their maximum while limit his usage while out of it. However, I'm also not going to penalize Mickens for the reverse being true.
Mickens finished with 255 career wins which left him #31 all-time. If you add 2 more wins in 9 seasons he started 32 or less games during his prime (plus 2022), he would have gotten to 273 wins. It's not 300, but it is good enough for a tie for #17 all-time. He also finished 10th in K's. If you add 25 for each of the 9 seasons, that would put him at 3463. That would put him in 5th place.
Finally, I'll agree with your analysis of their respective postseasons. Postseason success is the ultimate test that separates the men from the boys. Alexander was clearly the better pitcher. The only problem with this is the issue of sample size. The playoffs are torture because of this issue. Ultimately, it's not the greatest measure to judge players between because of the randomness in a relatively small number of games.
2 of Alexander's WS rings coincided with his Cy Young years (2012 and 2014). I'm not saying this made him impervious during the playoffs, but it is certainly the best time to have your pitcher in the playoffs. His other 2 rings were collected as the 5th starter for your Seattle team and providing mop-up duty in 2022.
Mickens made it to 6 WS in total. He was inarguably terrible. He got his 1st ring in 2010 when he got blasted in his only start. He was hurt badly against my Rockstars in 2013 and lost 2 games. He pitched even worse in 2014 against Alexander and KC. Finally, in 2020, he had a good start for Atlanta. Despite this, he lost the game and Atlanta lost the series. Then, in 2022, he pitched below average again despite Atlanta winning the World Series. In 2023, he didn't pitch in the playoffs.
maxthesax
Bruce Lewis
Jackie Lutz
Jock West
Joe Mickens
to me, voting for Alexander would be like voting for Tim Lincecum - yeah, 2 Cy's and about 4 good years and then phhht! (Tim, not Milo)
October 24, 2016 at 04:03PM View BBCode
Baltimore votes forBruce Lewis
Jackie Lutz
Jock West
Joe Mickens
to me, voting for Alexander would be like voting for Tim Lincecum - yeah, 2 Cy's and about 4 good years and then phhht! (Tim, not Milo)
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