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maxthesax
Balt will be giving 5 CP to a Seatle player next season
May 23, 2014 at 05:45AM View BBCode
in exchange for Winchester.
spicoli306
Man, that seems to be a really steep price for a year's worth of 5 CPs. I realize that Seattle posted the message dangling Winchester for CPs, but I didn't figure it would just be for the CPs. I'm not trying to anger either party by evaluating the trade, but in my opinion this seems to be an overpay by Seattle. Is there anything more Baltimore can offer to even it out a bit?
May 23, 2014 at 06:46AM View BBCode
Originally posted by maxthesax
in exchange for Winchester.
Man, that seems to be a really steep price for a year's worth of 5 CPs. I realize that Seattle posted the message dangling Winchester for CPs, but I didn't figure it would just be for the CPs. I'm not trying to anger either party by evaluating the trade, but in my opinion this seems to be an overpay by Seattle. Is there anything more Baltimore can offer to even it out a bit?
maxthesax
old Joe is hardly an all-star... 4.5 era and a 1.35 whip is about all you can expect from him - I just wanted an innings eater, and an insurance policy in case one of my other starters goes down. In assessing this trade one has to consider the perceived value of those CPs, and as such I believe that I negotiated fairly.
May 23, 2014 at 02:55PM View BBCode
Originally posted by spicoli306
Originally posted by maxthesax
in exchange for Winchester.
Man, that seems to be a really steep price for a year's worth of 5 CPs. I realize that Seattle posted the message dangling Winchester for CPs, but I didn't figure it would just be for the CPs. I'm not trying to anger either party by evaluating the trade, but in my opinion this seems to be an overpay by Seattle. Is there anything more Baltimore can offer to even it out a bit?
old Joe is hardly an all-star... 4.5 era and a 1.35 whip is about all you can expect from him - I just wanted an innings eater, and an insurance policy in case one of my other starters goes down. In assessing this trade one has to consider the perceived value of those CPs, and as such I believe that I negotiated fairly.
spicoli306
old Joe is hardly an all-star... 4.5 era and a 1.35 whip is about all you can expect from him - I just wanted an innings eater, and an insurance policy in case one of my other starters goes down. In assessing this trade one has to consider the perceived value of those CPs, and as such I believe that I negotiated fairly. [/quote]
Uh, those are his current career averages. There is an extreme likelihood that [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=10475353]Joe Winchester[/url] ends up being at least as valuable in his prime years as [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9323315]Larry Fussell[/url]. Before Larry turned 30 (i.e. up through the 2006 season), his WHIP and ERA was 1.51 and 4.81. From 2007 until now, his WHIP and ERA is 1.29 and 3.53. He's not a world-beater, but to say he hasn't been a completely different pitcher in his prime is just ignoring the facts. Winchester has been better than Fussell in his developing years which leads me to believe he should be higher in his grades.
I'd like to hear from mhollidaze to hear if this was truly the only offer he could get for CPs. If so, then you are correct, the market may be extremely high for CPs. However, it is commonly assumed that in most dynasty leagues a developing team can get 5 CPs for its 2nd round pick. I don't believe this is an accurate valuation for a A- starter entering his prime pitching years.
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[quote][i]Originally posted by maxthesax[/i]
old Joe is hardly an all-star... 4.5 era and a 1.35 whip is about all you can expect from him - I just wanted an innings eater, and an insurance policy in case one of my other starters goes down. In assessing this trade one has to consider the perceived value of those CPs, and as such I believe that I negotiated fairly. [/quote]
Uh, those are his current career averages. There is an extreme likelihood that [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=10475353]Joe Winchester[/url] ends up being at least as valuable in his prime years as [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9323315]Larry Fussell[/url]. Before Larry turned 30 (i.e. up through the 2006 season), his WHIP and ERA was 1.51 and 4.81. From 2007 until now, his WHIP and ERA is 1.29 and 3.53. He's not a world-beater, but to say he hasn't been a completely different pitcher in his prime is just ignoring the facts. Winchester has been better than Fussell in his developing years which leads me to believe he should be higher in his grades.
I'd like to hear from mhollidaze to hear if this was truly the only offer he could get for CPs. If so, then you are correct, the market may be extremely high for CPs. However, it is commonly assumed that in most dynasty leagues a developing team can get 5 CPs for its 2nd round pick. I don't believe this is an accurate valuation for a A- starter entering his prime pitching years.
maxthesax
while I have seen a couple of players improve in their 30's (even when their ratings do not), I'm not convinced that this is the norm (although if enough evidence is presented, then I will bow to that empirical evidence).
With the dearth of decent players available via the draft (where are those halcyon days of 15 B+ and B rated young players?) - the weak drafts does two things - it decreases the value of a 2nd round pick (IMO) and it puts more focus on needing to develop those 16-17 year old C rated players. In both cases this puts more value on CP's (as you have to spend them longer to get a player from a C at 16 to a B+ at 23).
This is my opinion and my philosophy towards the current state of the game (and especially the draft). Once again, this is why I feel that I made a fair offer to Seattle. One also has to consider the value of the player to the selling team. Winchester has little to no value to a rebuilding team (who, in all fairness, is at least 4 years from fielding a contending team) - therefore his only value is as trade bait. If there were no decent offers of good young players, then getting those CPs will be of more help than a mediocre talent (especially, as Seattle stated, he has a stockpile of draft picks).
[Edited on 5-24-2014 by maxthesax]
May 24, 2014 at 03:51PM View BBCode
Originally posted by spicoli306
Originally posted by maxthesax
old Joe is hardly an all-star... 4.5 era and a 1.35 whip is about all you can expect from him - I just wanted an innings eater, and an insurance policy in case one of my other starters goes down. In assessing this trade one has to consider the perceived value of those CPs, and as such I believe that I negotiated fairly.
Uh, those are his current career averages. There is an extreme likelihood that [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=10475353]Joe Winchester[/url] ends up being at least as valuable in his prime years as [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=9323315]Larry Fussell[/url]. Before Larry turned 30 (i.e. up through the 2006 season), his WHIP and ERA was 1.51 and 4.81. From 2007 until now, his WHIP and ERA is 1.29 and 3.53. He's not a world-beater, but to say he hasn't been a completely different pitcher in his prime is just ignoring the facts. Winchester has been better than Fussell in his developing years which leads me to believe he should be higher in his grades.
I'd like to hear from mhollidaze to hear if this was truly the only offer he could get for CPs. If so, then you are correct, the market may be extremely high for CPs. However, it is commonly assumed that in most dynasty leagues a developing team can get 5 CPs for its 2nd round pick. I don't believe this is an accurate valuation for a A- starter entering his prime pitching years.
while I have seen a couple of players improve in their 30's (even when their ratings do not), I'm not convinced that this is the norm (although if enough evidence is presented, then I will bow to that empirical evidence).
With the dearth of decent players available via the draft (where are those halcyon days of 15 B+ and B rated young players?) - the weak drafts does two things - it decreases the value of a 2nd round pick (IMO) and it puts more focus on needing to develop those 16-17 year old C rated players. In both cases this puts more value on CP's (as you have to spend them longer to get a player from a C at 16 to a B+ at 23).
This is my opinion and my philosophy towards the current state of the game (and especially the draft). Once again, this is why I feel that I made a fair offer to Seattle. One also has to consider the value of the player to the selling team. Winchester has little to no value to a rebuilding team (who, in all fairness, is at least 4 years from fielding a contending team) - therefore his only value is as trade bait. If there were no decent offers of good young players, then getting those CPs will be of more help than a mediocre talent (especially, as Seattle stated, he has a stockpile of draft picks).
[Edited on 5-24-2014 by maxthesax]
spicoli306
It's not about improving another grade in their ratings in their 30's; it's about picking up another point here or there, and knowing that there will be no reduction in skill until the post OS34 season. The code bits operate on sustained grades so they do in fact all perform very similarly. It is very much the norm to see that most players created will be at their best in their prime years (late 20's-early 30's).
Ok, lets follow the logic.
1)Drafts aren't as deep as they used to be. Can't prove. Even if right, I would state that it just means the talent level across the league should decrease.
2)Late 1sts, early 2nds, etc. have less value than normal. This is your speculation. It's logic is pretty much negated by why we are having this discussion: Seattle's main CP problem is that he wants to develop all of those players he's drafted in the exact spots you've said have decreased value. He believes they can be All-Stars if given the proper amount of CPs (he's right IMO), why wouldn't another team that could have drafted them at that spot. The point about CP trades is that they are a temporary solution to a complex and possibly lengthy problem. 5 CPs for a year helps you develop 1 extra player for what is likely to be 1/5th of his minor league development. There's something very wrong in thinking you can just throw away fully developed A- pitchers for a slight edge at developing an extra player who might someday be as good as the player initially traded. This is why a late 1st or early 2nd is typically considered adequate trade compensation for what is essentially a bandaid.
3)OS18 players are more necessary for developing a bad roster into a good one. They don't seem to be any more necessary than in my other Dynasty League. I would much rather have a fully developed A- 23 year old than a C 18 year old, but that's not realistically what is going on. Owners have to decide which players can develop into the best players. 18 year olds are highly rated because of the possibility of what they can become when fully developed. The problem is they all can't be developed. When you only look at the potential without seeing the investment that is needed, you get into bad CP issues.
4)A year of 5 CPs is more valuable than it used to be. The value of 5 CPs is all about perception. Seattle is desperate for CPs and doesn't want to hurt his young prospects. Owners like myself stop and think "Is this a good trade for me?" I have a plan for my roster and I don't have the luxury of just giving away my prime tool for making my players better. Owners like myself have learned that this kind of stuff happens when you trade for a bunch of draft picks and then draft a bunch of 18 year olds that need developing. What you've done is used that desperation as a tool to artificially influence the trade value of a very good player.
The problem is that trades like these effect the whole league. I've seen it done in small ways that don't appear too damaging to the state of the league. I've seen it done in big ways that lead to unfairness that leads to good owners leaving.
Just because Winchester would likely be the best part of a terrible team for the rest of his years in Seattle, that doesn't decrease his value. Winchester's value was low because desperate times call for desperate measures.
I'm done arguing after this post. The gentlemanly thing to do would be to put 5 CPs on Seattle's player of choice for the rest of the current year in addition to the agreed upon 2012.
May 24, 2014 at 10:30PM View BBCode
Originally posted by maxthesax
while I have seen a couple of players improve in their 30's (even when their ratings do not), I'm not convinced that this is the norm (although if enough evidence is presented, then I will bow to that empirical evidence).
It's not about improving another grade in their ratings in their 30's; it's about picking up another point here or there, and knowing that there will be no reduction in skill until the post OS34 season. The code bits operate on sustained grades so they do in fact all perform very similarly. It is very much the norm to see that most players created will be at their best in their prime years (late 20's-early 30's).
Originally posted by maxthesax
With the dearth of decent players available via the draft (where are those halcyon days of 15 B+ and B rated young players?) - the weak drafts does two things - it decreases the value of a 2nd round pick (IMO) and it puts more focus on needing to develop those 16-17 year old C rated players. In both cases this puts more value on CP's (as you have to spend them longer to get a player from a C at 16 to a B+ at 23).
Ok, lets follow the logic.
1)Drafts aren't as deep as they used to be. Can't prove. Even if right, I would state that it just means the talent level across the league should decrease.
2)Late 1sts, early 2nds, etc. have less value than normal. This is your speculation. It's logic is pretty much negated by why we are having this discussion: Seattle's main CP problem is that he wants to develop all of those players he's drafted in the exact spots you've said have decreased value. He believes they can be All-Stars if given the proper amount of CPs (he's right IMO), why wouldn't another team that could have drafted them at that spot. The point about CP trades is that they are a temporary solution to a complex and possibly lengthy problem. 5 CPs for a year helps you develop 1 extra player for what is likely to be 1/5th of his minor league development. There's something very wrong in thinking you can just throw away fully developed A- pitchers for a slight edge at developing an extra player who might someday be as good as the player initially traded. This is why a late 1st or early 2nd is typically considered adequate trade compensation for what is essentially a bandaid.
3)OS18 players are more necessary for developing a bad roster into a good one. They don't seem to be any more necessary than in my other Dynasty League. I would much rather have a fully developed A- 23 year old than a C 18 year old, but that's not realistically what is going on. Owners have to decide which players can develop into the best players. 18 year olds are highly rated because of the possibility of what they can become when fully developed. The problem is they all can't be developed. When you only look at the potential without seeing the investment that is needed, you get into bad CP issues.
4)A year of 5 CPs is more valuable than it used to be. The value of 5 CPs is all about perception. Seattle is desperate for CPs and doesn't want to hurt his young prospects. Owners like myself stop and think "Is this a good trade for me?" I have a plan for my roster and I don't have the luxury of just giving away my prime tool for making my players better. Owners like myself have learned that this kind of stuff happens when you trade for a bunch of draft picks and then draft a bunch of 18 year olds that need developing. What you've done is used that desperation as a tool to artificially influence the trade value of a very good player.
Originally posted by maxthesax
This is my opinion and my philosophy towards the current state of the game (and especially the draft). Once again, this is why I feel that I made a fair offer to Seattle. One also has to consider the value of the player to the selling team. Winchester has little to no value to a rebuilding team (who, in all fairness, is at least 4 years from fielding a contending team) - therefore his only value is as trade bait. If there were no decent offers of good young players, then getting those CPs will be of more help than a mediocre talent (especially, as Seattle stated, he has a stockpile of draft picks).
The problem is that trades like these effect the whole league. I've seen it done in small ways that don't appear too damaging to the state of the league. I've seen it done in big ways that lead to unfairness that leads to good owners leaving.
Just because Winchester would likely be the best part of a terrible team for the rest of his years in Seattle, that doesn't decrease his value. Winchester's value was low because desperate times call for desperate measures.
I'm done arguing after this post. The gentlemanly thing to do would be to put 5 CPs on Seattle's player of choice for the rest of the current year in addition to the agreed upon 2012.
mhollidaze
For my needs right now I think this is a fair trade. If the league does not agree then someone should protest and see where it goes.
Right now my concern is to get as many CP's on my younger players so I don't end up with a bunch of bench players when my team should be ready to compete.
[Edited on 5-25-2014 by mhollidaze]
May 25, 2014 at 02:48AM View BBCode
I confirm this trade. As for the question spicoli asked, is this a fair trade, I agree in most leagues 5 CP's is generaly considered equal to a 2nd Rd pick. But in this case I have an abundance of prospects with 2 more 1st rds next season(Washington's 1st and 2nd rd picks). I did offer this up to the league and only one response from Baltimore.For my needs right now I think this is a fair trade. If the league does not agree then someone should protest and see where it goes.
Right now my concern is to get as many CP's on my younger players so I don't end up with a bunch of bench players when my team should be ready to compete.
[Edited on 5-25-2014 by mhollidaze]
spicoli306
"Right now my concern is to get as many CP's on my younger players so I don't end up with a bunch of bench players when I ready to compete."
I would rank your minor leaguers in order of future value (with the consideration of full development) as Gehrig, Pepper, Hughes, Mota, Lightenberg, Luplow, Sisler, then Williams. That's a loaded minor league with a ton of talent. Then, you have even more fringe guys that would be picked up immediately if you waived them. Some of those initial guys could probably be promoted and earn a few less improvements if they played full time in the majors. Most of them need CPs in the minors; you are correct about that. Why then, if you are in such a hurry to procure these CPs, would you ask for next year's? Why not continue to wait until the end of the season and see if a better offer comes along? It just reeks of the kind of shortsightedness that got you into this mess in the first place. The way that it hurts us other owners is that Baltimore gets another valuable arm to extend his run and barely gives up anything of value. I offered my remedy (you get CPs for this season and next). But if you won't even fight for equal value, then I guess I'm out.
Also, if Winchester is only worth a year of CPs, then I don't know what you expect for [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273207]this[/url], [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273202]that[/url], and [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=9933508]the other[/url]. A week's worth?
[Edited on 5-25-2014 by spicoli306]
May 25, 2014 at 05:35AM View BBCode
The problem with protesting a trade means I think there is either a)some kind of collusion going on or b) a new owner is being taken advantage of. I don't believe it is either of these. I believe you panicked because you felt like you were in an impossible situation. Then, Baltimore comes along and offers you a 25-cents-for-a-dollar trade that doesn't help your development issues this season one iota."Right now my concern is to get as many CP's on my younger players so I don't end up with a bunch of bench players when I ready to compete."
I would rank your minor leaguers in order of future value (with the consideration of full development) as Gehrig, Pepper, Hughes, Mota, Lightenberg, Luplow, Sisler, then Williams. That's a loaded minor league with a ton of talent. Then, you have even more fringe guys that would be picked up immediately if you waived them. Some of those initial guys could probably be promoted and earn a few less improvements if they played full time in the majors. Most of them need CPs in the minors; you are correct about that. Why then, if you are in such a hurry to procure these CPs, would you ask for next year's? Why not continue to wait until the end of the season and see if a better offer comes along? It just reeks of the kind of shortsightedness that got you into this mess in the first place. The way that it hurts us other owners is that Baltimore gets another valuable arm to extend his run and barely gives up anything of value. I offered my remedy (you get CPs for this season and next). But if you won't even fight for equal value, then I guess I'm out.
Also, if Winchester is only worth a year of CPs, then I don't know what you expect for [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273207]this[/url], [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273202]that[/url], and [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=9933508]the other[/url]. A week's worth?
[Edited on 5-25-2014 by spicoli306]
mhollidaze
First of all spicoli I don't pretend to be one of the top owners in SimDynasty, far from it. I don't have the time to break this down the way you have. What I do know is that I have built 2 championship teams, Brooklyn in the WML and Pittsburgh in the RSL, which is currently working on Back to Back Championship Seasons trying for 3 in a row.
Why CP's next season? I currently have a 1st rounder on Philly getting 5 CP's this season and, like I said previously, I have two 1st and two 2nd round picks for next seasons draft.
I didn't think Winchester would be much more that a 5th starter on most teams, other than mine, and I didn't think I would get more value the rest of this season. I put the offer out their and didn't get but only one response. Maybe I should have waited a little longer but I offered draft picks and prospects for CP's and only got one response.
Let's see how this plays out, but it's not like I'm destroying a team. I do have somewhat of a track record. I have made trades in the past that benefit both teams and I have made trades that I would take back. We'll see.
May 25, 2014 at 06:09AM View BBCode
Originally posted by spicoli306
The problem with protesting a trade means I think there is either a)some kind of collusion going on or b) a new owner is being taken advantage of. I don't believe it is either of these. I believe you panicked because you felt like you were in an impossible situation. Then, Baltimore comes along and offers you a 25-cents-for-a-dollar trade that doesn't help your development issues this season one iota.
"Right now my concern is to get as many CP's on my younger players so I don't end up with a bunch of bench players when I ready to compete."
I would rank your minor leaguers in order of future value (with the consideration of full development) as Gehrig, Pepper, Hughes, Mota, Lightenberg, Luplow, Sisler, then Williams. That's a loaded minor league with a ton of talent. Then, you have even more fringe guys that would be picked up immediately if you waived them. Some of those initial guys could probably be promoted and earn a few less improvements if they played full time in the majors. Most of them need CPs in the minors; you are correct about that. Why then, if you are in such a hurry to procure these CPs, would you ask for next year's? Why not continue to wait until the end of the season and see if a better offer comes along? It just reeks of the kind of shortsightedness that got you into this mess in the first place. The way that it hurts us other owners is that Baltimore gets another valuable arm to extend his run and barely gives up anything of value. I offered my remedy (you get CPs for this season and next). But if you won't even fight for equal value, then I guess I'm out.
Also, if Winchester is only worth a year of CPs, then I don't know what you expect for [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273207]this[/url], [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=10273202]that[/url], and [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=9933508]the other[/url]. A week's worth?
[Edited on 5-25-2014 by spicoli306]
First of all spicoli I don't pretend to be one of the top owners in SimDynasty, far from it. I don't have the time to break this down the way you have. What I do know is that I have built 2 championship teams, Brooklyn in the WML and Pittsburgh in the RSL, which is currently working on Back to Back Championship Seasons trying for 3 in a row.
Why CP's next season? I currently have a 1st rounder on Philly getting 5 CP's this season and, like I said previously, I have two 1st and two 2nd round picks for next seasons draft.
I didn't think Winchester would be much more that a 5th starter on most teams, other than mine, and I didn't think I would get more value the rest of this season. I put the offer out their and didn't get but only one response. Maybe I should have waited a little longer but I offered draft picks and prospects for CP's and only got one response.
Let's see how this plays out, but it's not like I'm destroying a team. I do have somewhat of a track record. I have made trades in the past that benefit both teams and I have made trades that I would take back. We'll see.
maxthesax
I was not referring to the overall grade, but the "points" added from years 29-34. A few players have improved (like your example) even when not receiving any additional points (perhaps something built into the logarhythm of the game where years of experience gives a boost???). Most players I've watched develop have only gained 3-4 points from 29 on (especially pitchers), while I have had several A- and A rated pitchers not receive ANY points.
I should also mention that MHollidaze did not create the situation in Seattle - that was done by the robber baron of a previous owner who swooped in and bought a team that still had a few good years left, which he perpetuated by selling off his young talent, knowing fully that he was going to jump ship as soon as his team collapsed.
Different drafting, developmental and trading philosophies is what gives this game grit. If everyone reacted the same, then there would be even less trading than there currently is.
May 25, 2014 at 03:46PM View BBCode
"It's not about improving another grade in their ratings in their 30's; it's about picking up another point here or there, and knowing that there will be no reduction in skill until the post OS34 season. The code bits operate on sustained grades so they do in fact all perform very similarly. It is very much the norm to see that most players created will be at their best in their prime years (late 20's-early 30's)".I was not referring to the overall grade, but the "points" added from years 29-34. A few players have improved (like your example) even when not receiving any additional points (perhaps something built into the logarhythm of the game where years of experience gives a boost???). Most players I've watched develop have only gained 3-4 points from 29 on (especially pitchers), while I have had several A- and A rated pitchers not receive ANY points.
I should also mention that MHollidaze did not create the situation in Seattle - that was done by the robber baron of a previous owner who swooped in and bought a team that still had a few good years left, which he perpetuated by selling off his young talent, knowing fully that he was going to jump ship as soon as his team collapsed.
Different drafting, developmental and trading philosophies is what gives this game grit. If everyone reacted the same, then there would be even less trading than there currently is.
mhollidaze
Good Luck to everyone this season and hope to be competitive in about 5 seasons.
May 25, 2014 at 05:03PM View BBCode
Well said Max! And I don't really understand all of the computer lingo the way some of the owners make decisions on their trades. What I do know is baseball and I do know that not every decision is the same for every owner. In my case because I have an abundance of prospects, with more to come, CP's are of a higher value to me than an owner that might have a competing team or rebuilding with less prospects on their roster.Good Luck to everyone this season and hope to be competitive in about 5 seasons.
mhollidaze
"I offered my remedy (you get CPs for this season and next). But if you won't even fight for equal value, then I guess I'm out".
I still haven't received any other offers. Where's yours???
May 26, 2014 at 09:10PM View BBCode
Spicoli you put your 2 cents in but I don't see any offer from you other than this"I offered my remedy (you get CPs for this season and next). But if you won't even fight for equal value, then I guess I'm out".
I still haven't received any other offers. Where's yours???
spicoli306
Dude, we are 3 wins apart. We are both rebuilding. [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/teamstats.jsp?mode=batter&lid=309]My offense[/url] is having an atrocity of a season. What difference is Winchester going to have on my ability to score runs? I'm having enough difficulties developing my own high draft picks in the minor leagues. Why would I want to give up one of my 3 5CP slots? Like I've said before, you are in a deep hole because of the abundance of prospects you are carrying that are in need of improvement chances. It's going to be extremely difficult to get the help from other owners in the form of CPs. You can't afford to give away one of your only trade chips for less than market value. If I were you, I would have looked at all the teams that are putting 5 CPs on either older minor leaguers like [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=10766087]this guy[/url] or subpar prospects like [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=11018381]this guy[/url] or [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=10845041]this guy[/url]. I even agree Baltimore would have been a good team to start a conversation with because their minor leagues seem to have an opening for developing 1 of your prospects. The point I've made isn't that trading Winchester wasn't a necessary move. The point is you just didn't get near enough value for him.
May 26, 2014 at 10:02PM View BBCode
Originally posted by mhollidaze
Spicoli you put your 2 cents in but I don't see any offer from you other than this
"I offered my remedy (you get CPs for this season and next). But if you won't even fight for equal value, then I guess I'm out".
I still haven't received any other offers. Where's yours???
Dude, we are 3 wins apart. We are both rebuilding. [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/teamstats.jsp?mode=batter&lid=309]My offense[/url] is having an atrocity of a season. What difference is Winchester going to have on my ability to score runs? I'm having enough difficulties developing my own high draft picks in the minor leagues. Why would I want to give up one of my 3 5CP slots? Like I've said before, you are in a deep hole because of the abundance of prospects you are carrying that are in need of improvement chances. It's going to be extremely difficult to get the help from other owners in the form of CPs. You can't afford to give away one of your only trade chips for less than market value. If I were you, I would have looked at all the teams that are putting 5 CPs on either older minor leaguers like [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=10766087]this guy[/url] or subpar prospects like [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=11018381]this guy[/url] or [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=10845041]this guy[/url]. I even agree Baltimore would have been a good team to start a conversation with because their minor leagues seem to have an opening for developing 1 of your prospects. The point I've made isn't that trading Winchester wasn't a necessary move. The point is you just didn't get near enough value for him.
mhollidaze
Good Luck with your rebuild, you seem to have an abundance of knowledge!!
May 26, 2014 at 10:39PM View BBCode
I'll just say this, I have been the Seattle owner since 2009 and into my 3rd season of a rebuild. You on the other hand have been the owner of Cleveland since 2003 and 9 seasons into a rebuild. Lets see where we both are in 5-8 seasons.Good Luck with your rebuild, you seem to have an abundance of knowledge!!
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