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youngallstar
The Red Sox couldn't recover from their Game 6 collapse.
1. Game 6: 1986
Who can forget? The Red Sox led three games to two and 5-3 with two men down and nobody on in the 10th inning of Game 6 of the World Series. Then the Mets rallied. With Mookie Wilson at the plate, Bob Stanley fired one far inside, and it got away from catcher Rich Gedman. Kevin Mitchell scored the tying run on the wild pitch, and the Mets won when Mookie Wilson hit a routine grounder that went between first baseman Bill Buckner's legs, scoring Ray Knight all the way from second.
The Sox had a day off to regroup, but it didn't help; two days later, the Mets took the seventh game, 8-5, and Buckner, one of the best players of his era, ended up being better known for what he didn't do (catch the ball) than what he did (2,715 career hits).
1A. Red Sox lose 5-2 lead, Game 7 of 2003 ALCS
2. Branca gets the call: Dodgers lose 1951 playoff
The flip side of "The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!" was, obviously, the Dodgers lose the pennant. On Aug. 11, with only 49 games left to play, the Dodgers led the second-place Giants by 13½ games. Then, it all started to unravel. The Giants swept the Dodgers in a mid-August three-game series and went on a tear, winning 16 in a row in August and then seven in a row to end the season. The Dodgers played well -- they never lost more than two in a row after that August sweep -- but the Giants caught them on the next-to-last day of the season.
New York's two most beloved baseball teams then started a three-game playoff at Ebbets Field. They split the first two games. Then, in Game 3, at the Polo Grounds, the unbelievable happens. The Dodgers led 4-1 going into the ninth, but surrender a run on Whitey Lockman's double, then, famously, three more runs on Thomson's home run off Branca, the "shot heard 'round the world."
3. Cubs implode in Game 6 of 2003 NLCS
Mark Prior was cruising along, Cubs leading the Marlins 3-0, five outs to go, Wrigley going crazy, 1945 about to put to bed ...
4. Giants can't hold 5-0 lead in Game 6, 2002 World Series
The Giants were seven outs away from winning their first World Series since moving to San Francisco in 1958. Russ Ortiz was pitching a gem against the Angels. Then, with one out in the seventh, Troy Glaus singled. Brad Fullmer singled. Dusty Baker went to the bullpen for Felix Rodriguez. In an epic at-bat, Scott Spiezio fouls off several pitches before launching a three-run homer. The next inning, Darin Erstad homers off Tim Worrell. The lead was down to one run. Tim Salmon singles. Garret Anderson singles. Robb Nen in the game. Troy Glaus doubles. Angels 6, Giants 5. Never before had a team blown such a big lead in potential World Series-clinching game. Game 7 goes to the Angels.
5. 16 innings of agony: Astros lose to Mets in 1986 NLCS
New York finished the season with a 108-54 record, moving into first place in the NL East on April 22 and never looking back. The Mets finished 21½ games ahead of the second-place Phillies. The Astros didn't have a shabby regular season, either -- they went 96-66 and finished 10 games on top of the second-place Reds.
With starting pitchers Mike Scott, Bob Knepper and Nolan Ryan, and hot reliever Charlie Kerfeld, it looked as if Houston might have a chance in the short NL championship series, and indeed, they did. Scott shut out the Mets in Game 1, striking out 14. The Mets took Game 2. It looked like the Astros would win Game 3, but Len Dykstra hit a walk-off two-run blast in the bottom of the ninth and the Mets won 5-4. Mike Scott again came through in Game 4, shutting down the Mets on only three hits, as the Astros tied the series at two games apiece. Game 5 went 12 innings, as Gary Carter hit the game-winning homer, ruining a fine nine innings of two-hit ball by Ryan.
Game 6 turned out to be the real heartbreaker, though. The Astros led by three going into the ninth, but the Mets scored three to tie the game and send it into extra innings. Seven innings later, the Mets scored three again, and it looked as if the longest game in playoff history would soon be over. But the Astros fought back and scored two runs in the bottom of the 16th. It was not enough. The rally fell short as Jesse Orosco fanned Kevin Bass to give the Mets a 4-2 series win.
6. Bucky who? Red Sox lose to Yankees in 1978 playoffs
The Sox blew a 14-game lead in the AL East, then rebounded to win eight straight games at the end of the season, tying the Yankees for first place in the AL East. In a one-game playoff at Fenway Park, light-hitting Bucky Dent lifted one over the Green Monster for a three-run homer. Reggie Jackson also homered, and the Yankees led 5-4 going into the bottom of the ninth. Rick Burleson managed to make his way to third base, and represented the tying run with two down and Carl Yastrzemski at the plate. But Yaz fouled out, the Yankees won the AL East pennant, and Boston fans hunkered down for another long winter.
7. Angels lose heartbreaker to Red Sox, Game 5 1986 ALCS
Before the Sox lost the heartbreaker of all heartbreakers to the Mets, they inflicted some serious fan-pain themselves. Leading the best of seven ALCS three games to one, the long-suffering Angels looked World Series-bound for the first time in history. California led 5-4 with two outs until the top of the ninth when Dave Henderson hit a two strike two run shot off Donnie Moore to give the Sox an edge. The Angels would tie in the bottom of the ninth but the 11th inning made Henderson a hero once again as his sac fly sealed the game five win for the sox on their way to the series victor and an AL flag.
8. Pirates lose shocker to Braves, Game 7 1992 NLCS
It may be hard to remember, but the Pirates almost had a dynasty going in the early 1990s. The key term here is "almost." In 1990, Pittsburgh lost the NLCS in six games, to the Reds. In 1991, the Pirates led the Braves three games to two, but Braves pitchers Steve Avery (Game 6) and John Smoltz (Game 7) shut them out twice in a row to take the series.
But 1992 looked like it would finally be the Pirates' year. In Game 6 of their NLCS rematch against the Braves, they crushed Atlanta 13-4 to tie the series. Then, in Game 7, the Pirates led 2-1 with two outs in the bottom of the ninth. Francisco Cabrera came up to pinch hit, and his single brought in the tying and winning runs.
Andy Van Slyke was so stunned and defeated that he remained sitting in center field, barely able to move, as the Braves and the fans at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium went wild. Barry Bonds, who fielded Cabrera's single, was down on one knee, in disbelief. The Pirates become only the third team to lose three league championship series in a row. Then Bonds left and they never contended again.
9. Indians lose Game 7 to Marlins in 1997 World Series
The Indians won the AL Central with an 86-75 record, come back from a two-games-to-one deficit to beat the Yankees in the ALDS, then dispatching the O's in six games to take the AL pennant. In the World Series against the Onederful Marlins, it went like this: Florida won Game 1, Cleveland Game 2, Florida Game 3, Cleveland Game 4, Florida Game 5, Cleveland Game 6.
In Game 7, the Indians led 2-0, and it looked like they'd win their first World Series since 1948. Then, in the bottom of the ninth, the Marlins' Craig Counsell tied the game with a sacrifice fly. In the bottom of the 11th, Counsell scored the winning run, and the Tribe's hopes were dashed again.
10. The ball goes through Durham's legs: Cubs lose 1984 NLCS
After winning the first two games of the NLCS, the Cubs lose the next two to the Padres. They lead winner-take-all Game 5 3-0 going into the bottom of the sixth with Cy Young winner Rick Sutcliffe on the mound. The Padres scored twice in the sixth. In the seventh, with one out and a runner on second, Tim Flannery hit a routine groundball to first baseman Leon Durham. The run scored to tie the game. Alan Wiggins singled on an 0-2 pitch. Tony Gwynn doubled in two runs. Steve Garvey singled in Gwynn. Padres win 6-3.
[Edited on 9-16-2005 by youngallstar]
Most painfull losses in baseball history
September 16, 2005 at 04:00PM View BBCode
What do you guys think are the worst losses in baseball history?The Red Sox couldn't recover from their Game 6 collapse.
1. Game 6: 1986
Who can forget? The Red Sox led three games to two and 5-3 with two men down and nobody on in the 10th inning of Game 6 of the World Series. Then the Mets rallied. With Mookie Wilson at the plate, Bob Stanley fired one far inside, and it got away from catcher Rich Gedman. Kevin Mitchell scored the tying run on the wild pitch, and the Mets won when Mookie Wilson hit a routine grounder that went between first baseman Bill Buckner's legs, scoring Ray Knight all the way from second.
The Sox had a day off to regroup, but it didn't help; two days later, the Mets took the seventh game, 8-5, and Buckner, one of the best players of his era, ended up being better known for what he didn't do (catch the ball) than what he did (2,715 career hits).
1A. Red Sox lose 5-2 lead, Game 7 of 2003 ALCS
2. Branca gets the call: Dodgers lose 1951 playoff
The flip side of "The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!" was, obviously, the Dodgers lose the pennant. On Aug. 11, with only 49 games left to play, the Dodgers led the second-place Giants by 13½ games. Then, it all started to unravel. The Giants swept the Dodgers in a mid-August three-game series and went on a tear, winning 16 in a row in August and then seven in a row to end the season. The Dodgers played well -- they never lost more than two in a row after that August sweep -- but the Giants caught them on the next-to-last day of the season.
New York's two most beloved baseball teams then started a three-game playoff at Ebbets Field. They split the first two games. Then, in Game 3, at the Polo Grounds, the unbelievable happens. The Dodgers led 4-1 going into the ninth, but surrender a run on Whitey Lockman's double, then, famously, three more runs on Thomson's home run off Branca, the "shot heard 'round the world."
3. Cubs implode in Game 6 of 2003 NLCS
Mark Prior was cruising along, Cubs leading the Marlins 3-0, five outs to go, Wrigley going crazy, 1945 about to put to bed ...
4. Giants can't hold 5-0 lead in Game 6, 2002 World Series
The Giants were seven outs away from winning their first World Series since moving to San Francisco in 1958. Russ Ortiz was pitching a gem against the Angels. Then, with one out in the seventh, Troy Glaus singled. Brad Fullmer singled. Dusty Baker went to the bullpen for Felix Rodriguez. In an epic at-bat, Scott Spiezio fouls off several pitches before launching a three-run homer. The next inning, Darin Erstad homers off Tim Worrell. The lead was down to one run. Tim Salmon singles. Garret Anderson singles. Robb Nen in the game. Troy Glaus doubles. Angels 6, Giants 5. Never before had a team blown such a big lead in potential World Series-clinching game. Game 7 goes to the Angels.
5. 16 innings of agony: Astros lose to Mets in 1986 NLCS
New York finished the season with a 108-54 record, moving into first place in the NL East on April 22 and never looking back. The Mets finished 21½ games ahead of the second-place Phillies. The Astros didn't have a shabby regular season, either -- they went 96-66 and finished 10 games on top of the second-place Reds.
With starting pitchers Mike Scott, Bob Knepper and Nolan Ryan, and hot reliever Charlie Kerfeld, it looked as if Houston might have a chance in the short NL championship series, and indeed, they did. Scott shut out the Mets in Game 1, striking out 14. The Mets took Game 2. It looked like the Astros would win Game 3, but Len Dykstra hit a walk-off two-run blast in the bottom of the ninth and the Mets won 5-4. Mike Scott again came through in Game 4, shutting down the Mets on only three hits, as the Astros tied the series at two games apiece. Game 5 went 12 innings, as Gary Carter hit the game-winning homer, ruining a fine nine innings of two-hit ball by Ryan.
Game 6 turned out to be the real heartbreaker, though. The Astros led by three going into the ninth, but the Mets scored three to tie the game and send it into extra innings. Seven innings later, the Mets scored three again, and it looked as if the longest game in playoff history would soon be over. But the Astros fought back and scored two runs in the bottom of the 16th. It was not enough. The rally fell short as Jesse Orosco fanned Kevin Bass to give the Mets a 4-2 series win.
6. Bucky who? Red Sox lose to Yankees in 1978 playoffs
The Sox blew a 14-game lead in the AL East, then rebounded to win eight straight games at the end of the season, tying the Yankees for first place in the AL East. In a one-game playoff at Fenway Park, light-hitting Bucky Dent lifted one over the Green Monster for a three-run homer. Reggie Jackson also homered, and the Yankees led 5-4 going into the bottom of the ninth. Rick Burleson managed to make his way to third base, and represented the tying run with two down and Carl Yastrzemski at the plate. But Yaz fouled out, the Yankees won the AL East pennant, and Boston fans hunkered down for another long winter.
7. Angels lose heartbreaker to Red Sox, Game 5 1986 ALCS
Before the Sox lost the heartbreaker of all heartbreakers to the Mets, they inflicted some serious fan-pain themselves. Leading the best of seven ALCS three games to one, the long-suffering Angels looked World Series-bound for the first time in history. California led 5-4 with two outs until the top of the ninth when Dave Henderson hit a two strike two run shot off Donnie Moore to give the Sox an edge. The Angels would tie in the bottom of the ninth but the 11th inning made Henderson a hero once again as his sac fly sealed the game five win for the sox on their way to the series victor and an AL flag.
8. Pirates lose shocker to Braves, Game 7 1992 NLCS
It may be hard to remember, but the Pirates almost had a dynasty going in the early 1990s. The key term here is "almost." In 1990, Pittsburgh lost the NLCS in six games, to the Reds. In 1991, the Pirates led the Braves three games to two, but Braves pitchers Steve Avery (Game 6) and John Smoltz (Game 7) shut them out twice in a row to take the series.
But 1992 looked like it would finally be the Pirates' year. In Game 6 of their NLCS rematch against the Braves, they crushed Atlanta 13-4 to tie the series. Then, in Game 7, the Pirates led 2-1 with two outs in the bottom of the ninth. Francisco Cabrera came up to pinch hit, and his single brought in the tying and winning runs.
Andy Van Slyke was so stunned and defeated that he remained sitting in center field, barely able to move, as the Braves and the fans at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium went wild. Barry Bonds, who fielded Cabrera's single, was down on one knee, in disbelief. The Pirates become only the third team to lose three league championship series in a row. Then Bonds left and they never contended again.
9. Indians lose Game 7 to Marlins in 1997 World Series
The Indians won the AL Central with an 86-75 record, come back from a two-games-to-one deficit to beat the Yankees in the ALDS, then dispatching the O's in six games to take the AL pennant. In the World Series against the Onederful Marlins, it went like this: Florida won Game 1, Cleveland Game 2, Florida Game 3, Cleveland Game 4, Florida Game 5, Cleveland Game 6.
In Game 7, the Indians led 2-0, and it looked like they'd win their first World Series since 1948. Then, in the bottom of the ninth, the Marlins' Craig Counsell tied the game with a sacrifice fly. In the bottom of the 11th, Counsell scored the winning run, and the Tribe's hopes were dashed again.
10. The ball goes through Durham's legs: Cubs lose 1984 NLCS
After winning the first two games of the NLCS, the Cubs lose the next two to the Padres. They lead winner-take-all Game 5 3-0 going into the bottom of the sixth with Cy Young winner Rick Sutcliffe on the mound. The Padres scored twice in the sixth. In the seventh, with one out and a runner on second, Tim Flannery hit a routine groundball to first baseman Leon Durham. The run scored to tie the game. Alan Wiggins singled on an 0-2 pitch. Tony Gwynn doubled in two runs. Steve Garvey singled in Gwynn. Padres win 6-3.
[Edited on 9-16-2005 by youngallstar]
Duff77
Next year, it was Marquis Grissom's bomb off of GUESS WHO in Game 2 of the ALCS. I was at that game. The batter before Grissom was Jim Thome, and Benitez struck him out TWICE on check swings before finally walking him, setting up the bomb.
September 16, 2005 at 04:32PM View BBCode
Of personal memory to the Orioles, I've never shaken the Jeffery Maier game against the Yankees. In one of those rare instances where Armando Benitez DIDN'T blow the game all by himself, a stupid kid did it for him and was held up as a hero by stupid Yankees fans who can never, ever be forgiven.Next year, it was Marquis Grissom's bomb off of GUESS WHO in Game 2 of the ALCS. I was at that game. The batter before Grissom was Jim Thome, and Benitez struck him out TWICE on check swings before finally walking him, setting up the bomb.
Duff77
September 16, 2005 at 04:46PM View BBCode
Interesting to include that among the greatest losses, since they played to a 1-1 tie.
FuriousGiorge
September 16, 2005 at 04:50PM View BBCode
Semantics. The Giants should have won, they didn't, and it cost them the pennant.
FiveToolPlayer
How about every game of the Yankees vs Sox series last year ADRSB (After Dave Roberts Stolen Base)? Yankee fans must have hated that.
Also, the Grady Little game in 2003 was horrible. I was at a bar in Boston screaming to take out Pedro and Grady left him in. When the ball hit Aaron Boone's bat in extra innings, I walked out before seeing it land. The funny thing about that night is that I walked home drunk and mad (3 miles or so). When you talk about it with other Red Sox fans, you hear similar stories about them walking home or going on a long walk by themselves or them just lying in bed awake for hours. I kept walking by other people on the streets who would look up, we'd both shake our heads in disgust, and we'd keep walking. It's one of the most memorable sporting event related nights I've ever had. Miserable but memorable.
September 16, 2005 at 04:50PM View BBCode
Youngallstar, did you write that entire post? That must have taken a while.How about every game of the Yankees vs Sox series last year ADRSB (After Dave Roberts Stolen Base)? Yankee fans must have hated that.
Also, the Grady Little game in 2003 was horrible. I was at a bar in Boston screaming to take out Pedro and Grady left him in. When the ball hit Aaron Boone's bat in extra innings, I walked out before seeing it land. The funny thing about that night is that I walked home drunk and mad (3 miles or so). When you talk about it with other Red Sox fans, you hear similar stories about them walking home or going on a long walk by themselves or them just lying in bed awake for hours. I kept walking by other people on the streets who would look up, we'd both shake our heads in disgust, and we'd keep walking. It's one of the most memorable sporting event related nights I've ever had. Miserable but memorable.
ME
youngallstar is the king of the copy and paste
September 16, 2005 at 04:51PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FiveToolPlayer
Youngallstar, did you write that entire post? That must have taken a while.
youngallstar is the king of the copy and paste
lvnwrth
RE: Pirates 1992 debacle. No one who claims Bonds is (or was) a Gold Glove outfielder has ever been able to explain how Sid Bream scored from second on Cabrera's single to LF. One of the funniest things I've ever seen, though I did feel bad for the rest of the Pittsburgh team.
September 16, 2005 at 05:09PM View BBCode
1941 World Series, Game 4. Brooklyn seems set to tie the Series at 2 games apiece, leading 4-3 in the ninth. Tommy Henrich strikes out and the Series is tied t 2. But wait...Mickey Owen mishandles strike three, Henrich reaches first. Yanks rally, win to go up 3 games to 1. Then they put Dem Bums out of their misery in Game 5 to win their 237th World Series in 238 years, or something like that.RE: Pirates 1992 debacle. No one who claims Bonds is (or was) a Gold Glove outfielder has ever been able to explain how Sid Bream scored from second on Cabrera's single to LF. One of the funniest things I've ever seen, though I did feel bad for the rest of the Pittsburgh team.
FiveToolPlayer
A good sidenote from that game is how excited the bat boy for Atlanta was. I think he's the first person to dive on Bream. If you ever see that highlight, watch for the bat boy.
September 16, 2005 at 05:21PM View BBCode
Originally posted by lvnwrth
RE: Pirates 1992 debacle. No one who claims Bonds is (or was) a Gold Glove outfielder has ever been able to explain how Sid Bream scored from second on Cabrera's single to LF. One of the funniest things I've ever seen, though I did feel bad for the rest of the Pittsburgh team.
A good sidenote from that game is how excited the bat boy for Atlanta was. I think he's the first person to dive on Bream. If you ever see that highlight, watch for the bat boy.
krusecontrol
The most painful baseball moment for me was the much-discussed Game 7 NLCS in 1992 (Oct. 14 - I have a moment of silence every year on that day).
I was watching the game by myself, as a 16 yr old, everyone else in the house was asleep. I knew we'd (listen to me - the Pirates, I mean) blown a chance for some insurance when we couldn't get a run across in the 8th when we should have. Didn't have any problem with Drabek staying out for the 9th, but would have pulled him probably after Jose Lind's unbelievable error (he makes that play 999 times out of 1,000). Bases loaded, 0 outs. In comes Belinda.
Gant almost ends it with a grand slam, but turns out to be a Sac Fly. 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs. Some guy (still can't bring myself to mention his name) up there with Belinda bringing heat. Two strikes. He lines a ball over Bell's head, for a brief moment I think Bell snags it, but it gets out to the OF.
About how Bream scored? Runners got great jumps off the bases. Bonds did everything correctly - got to the ball and made what really was a good throw in. Lavalliere just got it a second too late and just missed with the swipe tag.
I can't fault Bonds, bc he got to the ball and got it in (although Van Slyke to this day blames Bonds for playing too deep). All I know is Bream has never run faster in his life. He has some major adreneline going.
(p.s. Fans in Pgh LOVED Bream. Next season, when Bream was a Brave, first visit back to Pgh. he hits a grand slam -- and the crowd gives him a standing ovation - in Pittsburgh!)
my 2 cents
September 16, 2005 at 06:34PM View BBCode
Great topic YoungAllStar!The most painful baseball moment for me was the much-discussed Game 7 NLCS in 1992 (Oct. 14 - I have a moment of silence every year on that day).
I was watching the game by myself, as a 16 yr old, everyone else in the house was asleep. I knew we'd (listen to me - the Pirates, I mean) blown a chance for some insurance when we couldn't get a run across in the 8th when we should have. Didn't have any problem with Drabek staying out for the 9th, but would have pulled him probably after Jose Lind's unbelievable error (he makes that play 999 times out of 1,000). Bases loaded, 0 outs. In comes Belinda.
Gant almost ends it with a grand slam, but turns out to be a Sac Fly. 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs. Some guy (still can't bring myself to mention his name) up there with Belinda bringing heat. Two strikes. He lines a ball over Bell's head, for a brief moment I think Bell snags it, but it gets out to the OF.
About how Bream scored? Runners got great jumps off the bases. Bonds did everything correctly - got to the ball and made what really was a good throw in. Lavalliere just got it a second too late and just missed with the swipe tag.
I can't fault Bonds, bc he got to the ball and got it in (although Van Slyke to this day blames Bonds for playing too deep). All I know is Bream has never run faster in his life. He has some major adreneline going.
(p.s. Fans in Pgh LOVED Bream. Next season, when Bream was a Brave, first visit back to Pgh. he hits a grand slam -- and the crowd gives him a standing ovation - in Pittsburgh!)
Duff77
September 16, 2005 at 06:40PM View BBCode
I dunno man. Bream got a good jump but there was NOTHING on that throw. It was accurate, but very weak. The thing that's probably more surprising is that Bream was sent in the first place.
krusecontrol
I was rooting for the Giants so hard and just couldn't believe they let that slip away.
I hated those ridiculous rally monkeys.
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little bit off-topic, but my most painful football loss (being a Steelers fan) wasn't the SB loss to Dallas, but was the terrible upset at the hands of the Chargers in January 95. I still believe that Chargers team was the worst to ever appear in a SB. The Steelers picked up Tim McIntyre that season to provide depth and experience at CB, and he ended up getting burned on a long TD pass that ended up being the difference.
Worst hockey loss -- May 14 1993 (7 months to the day when Bucs lost) when the Penguins lost to the Islanders in OT of Game 7. Pens fought back from 3-1 deficit in 3rd period - scoring with 3 minutes left and less than 20 seconds left to tie it. But Islanders got a 3-on-1 early in the OT to win. Like the Pirates 92 loss, I had turned off the TV within 5 seconds of the winning goal/run. Just couldn't take it. (That hockey game also marred by terrible injury to Kevin Stevens, where he was hit and knocked out before he hit the ice, so he fell face-forward into ice and his face was totally destroyed. There was blood everywhere)
Heartbreaks
September 16, 2005 at 06:45PM View BBCode
My second-most painful baseball loss was Game 6 of the 2001 WS when the Giants couldn't hold onto the late 5-0 lead.I was rooting for the Giants so hard and just couldn't believe they let that slip away.
I hated those ridiculous rally monkeys.
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little bit off-topic, but my most painful football loss (being a Steelers fan) wasn't the SB loss to Dallas, but was the terrible upset at the hands of the Chargers in January 95. I still believe that Chargers team was the worst to ever appear in a SB. The Steelers picked up Tim McIntyre that season to provide depth and experience at CB, and he ended up getting burned on a long TD pass that ended up being the difference.
Worst hockey loss -- May 14 1993 (7 months to the day when Bucs lost) when the Penguins lost to the Islanders in OT of Game 7. Pens fought back from 3-1 deficit in 3rd period - scoring with 3 minutes left and less than 20 seconds left to tie it. But Islanders got a 3-on-1 early in the OT to win. Like the Pirates 92 loss, I had turned off the TV within 5 seconds of the winning goal/run. Just couldn't take it. (That hockey game also marred by terrible injury to Kevin Stevens, where he was hit and knocked out before he hit the ice, so he fell face-forward into ice and his face was totally destroyed. There was blood everywhere)
lvnwrth
Whichever, '01 or '02, it was a Series that had me really conflicted.
I HATE...absolutely HATE...losers in the World Series, and that's what the Angels were that year...162-game losers who got a shot at the brass ring because TV wanted an extra round of playoffs.
BUT...for the Giants to win would've meant a WS ring for Bonds.
Hmmm...which is worse?
September 16, 2005 at 06:54PM View BBCode
Wasn't that the 2002 World Series...California-SF??Whichever, '01 or '02, it was a Series that had me really conflicted.
I HATE...absolutely HATE...losers in the World Series, and that's what the Angels were that year...162-game losers who got a shot at the brass ring because TV wanted an extra round of playoffs.
BUT...for the Giants to win would've meant a WS ring for Bonds.
Hmmm...which is worse?
krusecontrol
He totally deserves a ring.
It would have been great if Ernie Banks could have gotten a ring. Or Ralph Kiner. All the greats should at least have a shot at it.
Bonds had arguably the most INCREDIBLE individual WS ever, but it just wasn't enough
Bonds is the man
September 16, 2005 at 06:56PM View BBCode
why you gotta hate on Bonds??He totally deserves a ring.
It would have been great if Ernie Banks could have gotten a ring. Or Ralph Kiner. All the greats should at least have a shot at it.
Bonds had arguably the most INCREDIBLE individual WS ever, but it just wasn't enough
lvnwrth
There ought to be some law against using Bonds and Banks in the same sentence. One was pure class, all the time. The other never was.
September 16, 2005 at 07:07PM View BBCode
I've loathed Bonds since he was a .240 hitting outfielder with the Pirates. He was arrogant before he had anything to be arrogant about. And now it turns out he's a cheater to boot.There ought to be some law against using Bonds and Banks in the same sentence. One was pure class, all the time. The other never was.
krusecontrol
But unless you have some PROOF -- not hearsay, he-said-she-said, innuendo, guessing, making it up just cause we hate Barry -- then don't give me anything about Barry cheating.
Would you at least be willing to admit that what he did in the 2002 WS was brilliant and amazing?!!
8-for-17, 8 R, 4 HR, 2 2b, 6 RBI, 13 walks, .700 OBP, 1.294 slg
give me a break
September 16, 2005 at 07:29PM View BBCode
you have every right to loathe whatever ballplayer you want. If you want to hold his immaturity against him, you can do that as well (I'm sure none of us was ever immature in our early 20s).But unless you have some PROOF -- not hearsay, he-said-she-said, innuendo, guessing, making it up just cause we hate Barry -- then don't give me anything about Barry cheating.
Would you at least be willing to admit that what he did in the 2002 WS was brilliant and amazing?!!
8-for-17, 8 R, 4 HR, 2 2b, 6 RBI, 13 walks, .700 OBP, 1.294 slg
lvnwrth
Problem with his immaturity in Pittsburgh is he's never outgrown it. Still stares and struts when he homers.
September 16, 2005 at 07:34PM View BBCode
If you can provide proof that he wasn't juiced up in 2002, I'll concede he had a great Series.Problem with his immaturity in Pittsburgh is he's never outgrown it. Still stares and struts when he homers.
krusecontrol
Every player before 1986 was a saint and totally pure and never did anything questionable, right. And then big bad Barry comes along and becomes the first player to ever have some attitude. Is that about it?
Your last statement about Bonds/cheating was more silly than the first. So now players have to prove that they WEREN'T cheating. So where's Jeter's proof that he wasn't cheating in all those WS? Where is David Ortiz' proof that he wasn't cheating? Where's every other guy who's done anything in the WS ever, where's THEIR proof that they weren't cheating.
It's a ridiculous argument
Hate him if you want, just don't break all the rules of law - mainly, innocent until proven guilty - just to find some justification. Just say you don't like his attitude and leave it at that.
again - give me a break
September 16, 2005 at 07:39PM View BBCode
as if no other player in the history of baseball ever strutted or took his time rounding the bases?Every player before 1986 was a saint and totally pure and never did anything questionable, right. And then big bad Barry comes along and becomes the first player to ever have some attitude. Is that about it?
Your last statement about Bonds/cheating was more silly than the first. So now players have to prove that they WEREN'T cheating. So where's Jeter's proof that he wasn't cheating in all those WS? Where is David Ortiz' proof that he wasn't cheating? Where's every other guy who's done anything in the WS ever, where's THEIR proof that they weren't cheating.
It's a ridiculous argument
Hate him if you want, just don't break all the rules of law - mainly, innocent until proven guilty - just to find some justification. Just say you don't like his attitude and leave it at that.
folifan19
Whatever happened to innocent till PROVEN guilty?
I'm NOT a Bonds fan, and evidence/scuttlebutt points towards Bonds' guilt, but there are no facts proving he used/uses steroids.
September 16, 2005 at 07:44PM View BBCode
Originally posted by lvnwrth
If you can provide proof that he wasn't juiced up in 2002, I'll concede he had a great Series.
Problem with his immaturity in Pittsburgh is he's never
outgrown it. Still stares and struts when he homers.
Whatever happened to innocent till PROVEN guilty?
I'm NOT a Bonds fan, and evidence/scuttlebutt points towards Bonds' guilt, but there are no facts proving he used/uses steroids.
FuriousGiorge
October 17, 1998. Temple 28, Virginia Tech 24.
September 16, 2005 at 07:55PM View BBCode
Bonds and steroids, Jesus Christ.October 17, 1998. Temple 28, Virginia Tech 24.
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