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tysonlowery
Draft has run
October 19, 2004 at 01:32PM View BBCode
I just kicked off the draft code. Let me know your thoughts on how things turned out and your thoughts on the process. I think this system will be an improvement over the old way of doing things.
Maul725
By the way, I love the WS rings, appearances, and LCS appearances boxes, as well as the secondary position chart you're able to bring up. Nice work!
I like it
October 19, 2004 at 02:58PM View BBCode
I really like the idea of being able to see where you will draft what position. It gives things more of a sense of balance I think. Maybe what I'm trying to say is more control over who is being drafted.By the way, I love the WS rings, appearances, and LCS appearances boxes, as well as the secondary position chart you're able to bring up. Nice work!
ballplayer
Regards, Mike
October 19, 2004 at 03:51PM View BBCode
I think that the draft went well, from what I can see so far. In the future I think I should spend some more time on the lower round picks instead of just focusing on the first two.Regards, Mike
CaseyStengel
What do you think about limiting the maximum draft age when filling your minor league roster.
For example, my minor league drafted 8 players aged 25 or younger. This mean I have 17 players over the age of 25 in the minors with 6 players over 30.
If the age limit was set to say 25, then the minors would truly reflect development. The older players could end up in the waiver wire for teams to pick up if they could use them.
October 19, 2004 at 05:12PM View BBCode
Draft went smoothly.What do you think about limiting the maximum draft age when filling your minor league roster.
For example, my minor league drafted 8 players aged 25 or younger. This mean I have 17 players over the age of 25 in the minors with 6 players over 30.
If the age limit was set to say 25, then the minors would truly reflect development. The older players could end up in the waiver wire for teams to pick up if they could use them.
tysonlowery
I'm not sure if putting that restriction on teams would be a good thing. I could see it causing some grief with some owners.
I think what you are saying is that teams shouldn't be able to horde older players in the minors right from the start, is that right? There might be some other ways around that one - including a change in logic for retirements.
Something I never looked at - how did Abe do in terms of placing players on your major and minor league teams? Or setting the initial lineup? I should now be able to make this better since all teams are guaranteed to have the right number of players.
October 19, 2004 at 05:43PM View BBCode
Hi Casey - you kind of have control over this if you want it. You could set your prefs so that players over 25 aren't selected after the 3rd round for position players, or after the 6th round for pitchers.I'm not sure if putting that restriction on teams would be a good thing. I could see it causing some grief with some owners.
I think what you are saying is that teams shouldn't be able to horde older players in the minors right from the start, is that right? There might be some other ways around that one - including a change in logic for retirements.
Something I never looked at - how did Abe do in terms of placing players on your major and minor league teams? Or setting the initial lineup? I should now be able to make this better since all teams are guaranteed to have the right number of players.
CaseyStengel
OK, I didn't think about that and it makes sense to leave it up to the individual owners. I suggest making the suggestion in the instructions.
I was thinking about the best way to develop my minor league players so they can later be promoted to the majors. Older players do not improve in the minors and become dead weight.
You do bring up a good point. Many teams prefer to horde their older players rather than make them available for others to pick up. They may be still good players, but nobody wants to trade for them. I think that older players in the minors should retire at a younger age than if they were in the majors. "Play me or I am quitting and getting a job at K-Mart signing baseball cards."
ABE placed the right players in my majors with the exception of one 19 year old pitcher. I preferred to develop him rather than play him.
ABE did not set my lineup at all. My starting line up was C, C, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B after the draft.
October 19, 2004 at 06:14PM View BBCode
...you kind of have control over this if you want it. You could set your prefs so that players over 25 aren't selected after the 3rd round for position players, or after the 6th round for pitchers.
I'm not sure if putting that restriction on teams would be a good thing. I could see it causing some grief with some owners.
OK, I didn't think about that and it makes sense to leave it up to the individual owners. I suggest making the suggestion in the instructions.
I think what you are saying is that teams shouldn't be able to horde older players in the minors right from the start, is that right? There might be some other ways around that one - including a change in logic for retirements.
I was thinking about the best way to develop my minor league players so they can later be promoted to the majors. Older players do not improve in the minors and become dead weight.
You do bring up a good point. Many teams prefer to horde their older players rather than make them available for others to pick up. They may be still good players, but nobody wants to trade for them. I think that older players in the minors should retire at a younger age than if they were in the majors. "Play me or I am quitting and getting a job at K-Mart signing baseball cards."
Something I never looked at - how did Abe do in terms of placing players on your major and minor league teams? Or setting the initial lineup? I should now be able to make this better since all teams are guaranteed to have the right number of players.
ABE placed the right players in my majors with the exception of one 19 year old pitcher. I preferred to develop him rather than play him.
ABE did not set my lineup at all. My starting line up was C, C, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B after the draft.
tysonlowery
Putting the 19 year old in the majors isn't a big deal, because he has options left. I believe it was the Jimmy Ryan crowd that threw a fit because there were better players in the minors and they thought they would lose vets as a result of how Abe decided to place players in the majors vs minors. But I don't see that being a problem because the better players should be drafted first by your team.
October 19, 2004 at 06:20PM View BBCode
I think I can improve the lineup stuff. I will try to work on this tomorrow and we can re-run the draft this week.Putting the 19 year old in the majors isn't a big deal, because he has options left. I believe it was the Jimmy Ryan crowd that threw a fit because there were better players in the minors and they thought they would lose vets as a result of how Abe decided to place players in the majors vs minors. But I don't see that being a problem because the better players should be drafted first by your team.
poppabeta
October 19, 2004 at 07:31PM View BBCode
Veterans(say 30 or older) in the minors should/could be retired if they don't have a set number of plate appearances. It could be 25, 50 or even 75 or it could be a set number of games appeared in. This would certainly encourage owners to trade them (to get something for them) as opposed to hording them.
ballplayer
We need to have some Demotion freedom after an initial draft without risk of losing players through Options waivers.
Regards, Mike
October 19, 2004 at 09:28PM View BBCode
ABE made some terrible judgement by putting a 27 y.o. B+ SP in the minors, while leaving one B SP and two B relievers in the Brooklyn majors. I can't even get him into the majors unless I put one of the other guys on Options and and surely lose him to another team.We need to have some Demotion freedom after an initial draft without risk of losing players through Options waivers.
Regards, Mike
tysonlowery
October 19, 2004 at 09:43PM View BBCode
Mike - I was hoping it would put the players selected top 5 at SP in the majors, last 4 SP in the minors. Did it work out differently?
hobos
October 19, 2004 at 10:57PM View BBCode
The draft was fine for me. The only problems can be attributed to my bad preferences. This system as it stands is an improvement, at least it is to me
RSS
October 19, 2004 at 11:35PM View BBCode
This was a better, more evenly-distributed draft than the previous one. I concur with Mike that there should be an amnesty period after a league's initial draft for promotions and demotions.
gmclaws
October 20, 2004 at 12:02AM View BBCode
This draft worked out a lot better for me than the last one. I'm quite happy with how things went. Not much youth in my minors but I didn't spend a lot of time setting my lower preferences.
Jack1
JackBeta
October 20, 2004 at 03:34AM View BBCode
I never received an e-mail message the draft had been run.JackBeta
Bingle
October 20, 2004 at 02:27PM View BBCode
I deliberately went with ABE's settings and only tweaked a couple of positions. I came out with a pitching staff that is strong but very old, even with relatively high youth settings. Also, my minor leaguers are old older, no teens. I guess the bottom line is that if you want some very young players to develop, you have to move them up on the list. Default settings won't get you there. I thought the draft ran fairly and the right players generally landed in the majors/minors. I didn't know the draft had run so the batting order was the usual C, C, 1B, 1B, etc., with many starters sitting out the first series.
tysonlowery
October 20, 2004 at 03:07PM View BBCode
RSS - I went through it with some owners a while ago on why there shouldn't be an amnesty period after the initial draft. The basic argument is that just because Abe put a guy on your major league team that you want in the minors, doesn't mean you should be able to stash that guy in the minors indefinitely. If someone else wants to use those players in the major leagues, they should be allowed to.
ballplayer
Regards, Mike
October 20, 2004 at 03:45PM View BBCode
If we draft a 27 year old SP ahead of a 35 year old pitcher in the 5th and 6th spots, then the 35 year old would go to the minors. In order to get him to the majors we would have to put the 27 year old on Options. There may be no other way to get the 35 year old into the Majors, and it just doesn't seem right for that to happen in an initial draft.Regards, Mike
tysonlowery
October 20, 2004 at 04:21PM View BBCode
But think about it. If you drafted the 27 year old in the 5th round, you had him ranked higher than the 35 year old you drafted in the 6th round. Why would you want to play the inferior player?Pages: 1