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damaestrio
There are two seperate pages-one page to rank players, the other page to set up your draftcard. For each round of the draft, you can set your draftcard with a preferred position.
You will then try attempt draft your top-ranked player in that position. For each position, you can rank players in the selected position just as you would in the amateur draft.
There is also an auto rating feature that will rank players by general preferences (control,velocity, etc.) that can be customized for each position.
Please let us know how this new system works, you'll have about a week to play around with it before Tyson runs the draft next week.
[Edited on 8-20-2004 by damaestrio]
Restarting the league
August 20, 2004 at 03:55PM View BBCode
We're restarting the Beta League to run a test of the new intial draft code. All the current players will be wiped out and a whole new set of players will be generated. Once we run it, you can set your preference as follows:There are two seperate pages-one page to rank players, the other page to set up your draftcard. For each round of the draft, you can set your draftcard with a preferred position.
You will then try attempt draft your top-ranked player in that position. For each position, you can rank players in the selected position just as you would in the amateur draft.
There is also an auto rating feature that will rank players by general preferences (control,velocity, etc.) that can be customized for each position.
Please let us know how this new system works, you'll have about a week to play around with it before Tyson runs the draft next week.
[Edited on 8-20-2004 by damaestrio]
Jack1
So far, I have not been able to find access to the new draft card. Please advise.
Jack1
August 20, 2004 at 04:53PM View BBCode
keewwonhong,So far, I have not been able to find access to the new draft card. Please advise.
Jack1
BleedRed
August 20, 2004 at 04:58PM View BBCode
Yes, the league still looks to be as it was. A little bit longer, perhaps?
arodtoo
August 20, 2004 at 05:13PM View BBCode
now it is up, and sadly with the new draft talent it looks worse than most leagues i ahve been in, most of the players are just carbon copies with a different name
tysonlowery
August 20, 2004 at 05:17PM View BBCode
The goal was to create a talent base similar to where leagues end up in the 60s.
tysonlowery
August 20, 2004 at 05:19PM View BBCode
I had to switch the league date so the ages were correct.
hobos
August 20, 2004 at 07:37PM View BBCode
Is there any way to seperate the auto rankings into the 10 various positions, and not just hitters and pitchers? Each position might warrant different point distribution (ie infielders need defense more than outfielders do).
drew
Also it would be nice to have an option for simply pitcher, or position players, or outfielders, or infielders etc...
August 20, 2004 at 07:40PM View BBCode
I see we can select what position we want in each round, but will there be an option to take best avalible? for that we would need a huge list of all the players (much like the amature draft) for it to go off of for that pick.Also it would be nice to have an option for simply pitcher, or position players, or outfielders, or infielders etc...
hobos
Right now, when you go to preferences, it goes to the original page for a few seconds. I was wondering why it did that, will it be removed?
I would also like something that mentions the draft order. Does something exist and I can't see it?
August 20, 2004 at 07:55PM View BBCode
I too think that we need to add best available, infielder, outfielder, pitcher, etc to the position options.Right now, when you go to preferences, it goes to the original page for a few seconds. I was wondering why it did that, will it be removed?
I would also like something that mentions the draft order. Does something exist and I can't see it?
tysonlowery
Right now, it will save your settings any time you click the Submit button. But it won't apply it to every position unless you go from screen to screen and click the Submit button under the auto-ranking stuff.
Yes, it will be removed. We just put that in as a temporary fix so we could get this up today.
August 20, 2004 at 08:06PM View BBCode
Is there any way to seperate the auto rankings into the 10 various positions, and not just hitters and pitchers? Each position might warrant different point distribution (ie infielders need defense more than outfielders do).
Right now, it will save your settings any time you click the Submit button. But it won't apply it to every position unless you go from screen to screen and click the Submit button under the auto-ranking stuff.
This would add more flexibility, but we purposely didn't add this in. The problem becomes you would have to rank all 960 players from 1 to 960 and I think that would be a daunting task for an owner. It adds a little strategy to the hole thing as well not having this feature. What will other owners pick in the first round? If I have a bad pick do I want the 8th best SP or the best catcher? Is the Shortstop pool deep enough that I can wait until the 9th round and still get a good one?
I too think that we need to add best available, infielder, outfielder, pitcher, etc to the position options
Right now, when you go to preferences, it goes to the original page for a few seconds. I was wondering why it did that, will it be removed?
Yes, it will be removed. We just put that in as a temporary fix so we could get this up today.
I would also like something that mentions the draft order. Does something exist and I can't see it?Nothing exists yet, but it probably should.
gmclaws
August 21, 2004 at 02:58AM View BBCode
So far from what I've seen of the new initial draft system, I like it. It creates a lot of thinking and strategy on how you want to set up your draft. At least this way you some type of control over your draft. It looks like the talent level will be more evenly distributed. I don't really see a need for a best available option. Never did like that option, screws up a lot of drafts. I like knowing what is available and trying to figure out the best way to approach setting up my team. I believe this will be a much better system. It looks like the game just got a whole lot better. Waiting to see how everything plays out.
geoffrey13
August 21, 2004 at 04:23AM View BBCode
I think it's time for me to give up my Beta team, work keeps me busy and I still have 3 other teams as well. Please pass it on to someone who will be able to contribute! Thanks all, I'll look forward to seeing all the new stuff as it comes along.
msse
August 21, 2004 at 04:34AM View BBCode
I would like to be considered for a Beta team if possible. Thanks.
msse
August 21, 2004 at 04:35AM View BBCode
I would like to be considered for a Beta team if possible. Thanks.
griffel
August 21, 2004 at 02:56PM View BBCode
Overall I like it and I think it is a HUGE improvement over the current initial draft process. However, not knowing who everyone else is taking, it is really hard for me to say what position I am going to want to take in the 8th round. Everyone is at the same disadvantage, but still, I agree with those who suggest broader categories such as infielder/outfielder. Especially so with the outfielders, they should definitely be lumped together.
Jack1
Jack1
August 22, 2004 at 03:07AM View BBCode
I to like the new draft rating, but I would suggest limiting it to private leagues at least to start off with.Jack1
RockNJock25
BIG improvement!!!
August 22, 2004 at 10:00AM View BBCode
I love it. Is there going to be a way to know which order you pick in? That would play a big part in my strategy on the whole matter.BIG improvement!!!
ME
There needs to be choices for "best available", "best hitter available", for it to be a good system. I really don't care what positions my 20th round pick is, I want the best hitter cause he'll be a pinch hitter anyways.
August 22, 2004 at 03:04PM View BBCode
I don't like it much. It has potential, but now it takes a long time to set up and is flawed like the old system, albeit the flaws are different.There needs to be choices for "best available", "best hitter available", for it to be a good system. I really don't care what positions my 20th round pick is, I want the best hitter cause he'll be a pinch hitter anyways.
CaseyStengel
I don't like that:
August 22, 2004 at 06:20PM View BBCode
I like that:- I am able to see the draft pool in advance of the draft.
- I am able to set my draft order, ie. starting pitcher for first round, 1B for 2nd round, etc. (note the concern below)
- the goal of the new draft is to provide a "mature" roster based on 1960's players
I don't like that:
- I do not know where my team is on the draft order.
- I am not able to choose the best available player, especially for the last half of the draft
- there is no universal way of updating the general prefs. I must go to each positon, wait until it loads, press the Update Rankings button, wait until it updates, go to the next position, etc.
- the principle of KISS is ignored. The new system takes a lot of time that will benefit retired owners, teenages, and other addicted SD owners who are able to monitor their computer 24/7. It is a problem for those owners who have a family, work, or cannot devote 4 or 5 hours to selecting their draft.
- an owner does not have the flexibility of change his draft order DURING the draft. For example, you have your eye on that A+ catcher and set your first round draft for catcher. Team A drafts that catcher and you end up with a "mediocre" catcher who would been a good choice for the 5th round. In the mean time you missed your #2 choice, the A/A+ relief pitcher because Team B draft the pitcher before the 2nd round began. Under the old system, ABE would calculate available players based on your prefs and select the best player for that round (at the same time insuring that you have a complete roster)
GolfHack
A system similar to every other fantasy game for drafting should be implemented if possible.
1) The pool is generated and ABE automatically ranks the players according to an unknown formula set by Tyson;
2) Owners can rerank the players prior to the draft since an individual strategy may differ from the default -- each owner can spend as little or as much time as possible;
3) A live draft system is set up where owners each have a time limit to select -- perhaps 2 minutes, if the time limit is exceeded the computer selects the next guy on the board -- this will be either an owner's reranking of players or the system default. In this manner owners can be absent for the draft or participate in just a few of the first rounds and then leave their settings to do the rest. Only this type of draft allows owners to adjust a strategy depending on what everyone else is doing which is an absolute necessity.
A sample can be found on ESPN, Yahoo, etc. which works perfectly regarding MLB players which is what is attempting to be simulated here -- the main difference at this point is that it is a 'keeper" league with individual minor league systems.
August 23, 2004 at 01:33AM View BBCode
Without even looking and just reading the few comments I'd say that any draft that is not a live draft is a mistake.A system similar to every other fantasy game for drafting should be implemented if possible.
1) The pool is generated and ABE automatically ranks the players according to an unknown formula set by Tyson;
2) Owners can rerank the players prior to the draft since an individual strategy may differ from the default -- each owner can spend as little or as much time as possible;
3) A live draft system is set up where owners each have a time limit to select -- perhaps 2 minutes, if the time limit is exceeded the computer selects the next guy on the board -- this will be either an owner's reranking of players or the system default. In this manner owners can be absent for the draft or participate in just a few of the first rounds and then leave their settings to do the rest. Only this type of draft allows owners to adjust a strategy depending on what everyone else is doing which is an absolute necessity.
A sample can be found on ESPN, Yahoo, etc. which works perfectly regarding MLB players which is what is attempting to be simulated here -- the main difference at this point is that it is a 'keeper" league with individual minor league systems.
ME
August 23, 2004 at 03:20AM View BBCode
If we go with something similar to the current system, perhaps there should be 2 or more different ways of rating players, perhaps you want either best-available veterans to win now or 18 years olds to develop, you could set up 2 sets of preferences and each player's rating sent into the draft system would be from the preferences that gave him the higher ranking.
FiveToolPlayer
I couldn't agree more. I really think this limits things. Does this mean that if I draft 10th, I want a catcher in round 1 because I want one of the two studs and all 9 other managers ahead of me do the same thing, I would end up with a C+ catcher with my first pick? That doesn't seem right.
August 23, 2004 at 11:35PM View BBCode
Originally posted by CaseyStengel
an owner does not have the flexibility of change his draft order DURING the draft. For example, you have your eye on that A+ catcher and set your first round draft for catcher. Team A drafts that catcher and you end up with a "mediocre" catcher who would been a good choice for the 5th round. In the mean time you missed your #2 choice, the A/A+ relief pitcher because Team B draft the pitcher before the 2nd round began. Under the old system, ABE would calculate available players based on your prefs and select the best player for that round (at the same time insuring that you have a complete roster)
I couldn't agree more. I really think this limits things. Does this mean that if I draft 10th, I want a catcher in round 1 because I want one of the two studs and all 9 other managers ahead of me do the same thing, I would end up with a C+ catcher with my first pick? That doesn't seem right.
FiveToolPlayer
It might be better if you could classify what round you would consider each player in. For example, let's say you'd specified the following for your first few picks:
Round 1 - Catcher
Round 2 - SS
Round 3 - RP
Round 4 - 1B
If you were able to classify what Catchers you would consider in round 1, it makes much more sense. Let's say you draft 15th and you've classified 3 catchers as A. You've specified that players classified as A can be selected in round 1 or 2. When your pick comes up, none of the three Catchers are available. Instead of taking the next best catcher, ABE would move on to the type of player that you would take in round 2. In this case, you have specified that you'd like a SS. If there are no SS that you have placed in the A bucket, ABE would move on and look for a RP with an A classification. ABE finds one and selects him. With your next pick, ABE first looks for a Cather, then a SS, and then a 1B as you've already selected your SS.
I just came up with that idea off the top of my head and it's filled with loopholes and what-not but the general idea is to give us some flexibility and realism. Having two sliding scales will still require strategy but it will allow ABE to not be forced to select a C- player because of his position over the much more realistic selection of the more talented player.
August 24, 2004 at 12:24AM View BBCode
The more I think about it, this system is much more flawed than the original and not realistic unless there was a live draft. I'd encourage anyone to throw out ideas on a way to work off this system but make it better and more flexible. Here's mine:It might be better if you could classify what round you would consider each player in. For example, let's say you'd specified the following for your first few picks:
Round 1 - Catcher
Round 2 - SS
Round 3 - RP
Round 4 - 1B
If you were able to classify what Catchers you would consider in round 1, it makes much more sense. Let's say you draft 15th and you've classified 3 catchers as A. You've specified that players classified as A can be selected in round 1 or 2. When your pick comes up, none of the three Catchers are available. Instead of taking the next best catcher, ABE would move on to the type of player that you would take in round 2. In this case, you have specified that you'd like a SS. If there are no SS that you have placed in the A bucket, ABE would move on and look for a RP with an A classification. ABE finds one and selects him. With your next pick, ABE first looks for a Cather, then a SS, and then a 1B as you've already selected your SS.
I just came up with that idea off the top of my head and it's filled with loopholes and what-not but the general idea is to give us some flexibility and realism. Having two sliding scales will still require strategy but it will allow ABE to not be forced to select a C- player because of his position over the much more realistic selection of the more talented player.
lvnwrth
Let's see...8 players, 50 rounds, that's 400 players. 2 minutes per pick, that's 800 minutes.
By the math I've been taught, that's 13 hours, 20 minutes if everyone takes their full 2 minutes to make a selection.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd have a hard time justifying sitting in front of my computer for 13 hours of anything.
August 24, 2004 at 08:50PM View BBCode
Originally posted by GolfHack
Without even looking and just reading the few comments I'd say that any draft that is not a live draft is a mistake.
3) A live draft system is set up where owners each have a time limit to select -- perhaps 2 minutes,
Let's see...8 players, 50 rounds, that's 400 players. 2 minutes per pick, that's 800 minutes.
By the math I've been taught, that's 13 hours, 20 minutes if everyone takes their full 2 minutes to make a selection.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd have a hard time justifying sitting in front of my computer for 13 hours of anything.
CaseyStengel
In this way, you get your next top pick no matter what your draft order. Owners would have control of setting their choices at whatever depth they wish to go... 1 round, 2 rounds, etc. and ABE would do the rest.
August 24, 2004 at 09:44PM View BBCode
I know this may be crazy, but I would almost prefer ranking ALL the players al la Amateur Draft and let ABE draft the players, making sure that each team has at least 5 starting pitchers, 5 relief pitchers, and 1 each of the position players.In this way, you get your next top pick no matter what your draft order. Owners would have control of setting their choices at whatever depth they wish to go... 1 round, 2 rounds, etc. and ABE would do the rest.