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meat1968
In researching the percentages, I found two other players who successfully converted higher than 50% in the minors. Here's their numbers:
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11647124&statsorimps=imps]Buck Felix[/url] 12 conversions in 611 chances = 1.96%
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11199719&statsorimps=imps]Troy Skiff[/url] 17 conversions in 673 chances = 2.53%
I've attempted to convert two players to catcher - see below:
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11772387&statsorimps=imps]Tom Heise[/url] 9 conversions in 640 chances = 1.41%
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11899524&statsorimps=imps]Larry Lundbom[/url] 6 conversions in 440 chances = 1.36%
The numbers that my two players are converting are considerably lower when compared to the others and almost half of Skiff. In total, the two players that I've attempted to move to catcher have had 15 conversions in 1080 attempts, or 1.39% conversion rate. Using 162 games as the baseline, both players have taken a total of 6.7 seasons to get to a paltry 75%.
I was hoping to get input from other owners who have attempted to convert a minor league player to catcher to see if I should stay the course or bite the bullet and plan for a different approach.
Thanks for the help -
Catcher conversions
November 17, 2016 at 07:14PM View BBCode
Due to the lack of catching talent across the board in leagues that I'm involved with, the best course of action seemed to be converting a young minor league player to catcher over a 4 or 5 year period (ie - OS18/19).In researching the percentages, I found two other players who successfully converted higher than 50% in the minors. Here's their numbers:
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11647124&statsorimps=imps]Buck Felix[/url] 12 conversions in 611 chances = 1.96%
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11199719&statsorimps=imps]Troy Skiff[/url] 17 conversions in 673 chances = 2.53%
I've attempted to convert two players to catcher - see below:
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11772387&statsorimps=imps]Tom Heise[/url] 9 conversions in 640 chances = 1.41%
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11899524&statsorimps=imps]Larry Lundbom[/url] 6 conversions in 440 chances = 1.36%
The numbers that my two players are converting are considerably lower when compared to the others and almost half of Skiff. In total, the two players that I've attempted to move to catcher have had 15 conversions in 1080 attempts, or 1.39% conversion rate. Using 162 games as the baseline, both players have taken a total of 6.7 seasons to get to a paltry 75%.
I was hoping to get input from other owners who have attempted to convert a minor league player to catcher to see if I should stay the course or bite the bullet and plan for a different approach.
Thanks for the help -
max_fischer
November 22, 2016 at 02:57PM View BBCode
You have to start them young. And you have to start by converting them to 1B first.
DwightKSchrute
November 22, 2016 at 03:38PM View BBCode
Is 1B better than 3B? I'm converting a 3B right now.
tworoosters
Is this purely anecdotal or is there some data to back this up.
I've converted a bunch of them over the years and never really noticed any difference, also I can find nothing from admin to attest to 1B being better than anywhere else
November 22, 2016 at 03:48PM View BBCode
Originally posted by max_fischer
You have to start them young. And you have to start by converting them to 1B first.
Is this purely anecdotal or is there some data to back this up.
I've converted a bunch of them over the years and never really noticed any difference, also I can find nothing from admin to attest to 1B being better than anywhere else
dirtdevil
November 22, 2016 at 04:04PM View BBCode
as far as I know there's no difference. the only advantage I can see to having them go to 1B first would be if they somehow fall below the 'start' threshold in the majors they ABE would choose them as the first default option to fill the slot if there wasn't a 'real' C available. you'd have to massage the roster a bit, but as a backup plan it could work if you weren't trying to compete.
meat1968
I think it's just a random percentage chance that may vary for some teams. I finally got one of my players to 50% and brought him up to play the position immediately. He's now converting .2 percent per game, which is better than I thought (.1%). 250 games later I'll have a 27 year old catcher.
November 22, 2016 at 05:53PM View BBCode
I've got a guy that has an A range who is converting now at a 1.319% clip who's eligible at SS. He's been receiving roughly 145 chances per year since OS18 and is now at 30% after 3 seasons and a month.I think it's just a random percentage chance that may vary for some teams. I finally got one of my players to 50% and brought him up to play the position immediately. He's now converting .2 percent per game, which is better than I thought (.1%). 250 games later I'll have a 27 year old catcher.
max_fischer
That was info I got from Tim years ago, and I have found it generally to be accurate. The conversion rate in the minors and majors seems greater for 1B to C than it is for OF to C.
November 22, 2016 at 09:37PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by max_fischer
You have to start them young. And you have to start by converting them to 1B first.
Is this purely anecdotal or is there some data to back this up.
I've converted a bunch of them over the years and never really noticed any difference, also I can find nothing from admin to attest to 1B being better than anywhere else
That was info I got from Tim years ago, and I have found it generally to be accurate. The conversion rate in the minors and majors seems greater for 1B to C than it is for OF to C.
tm4559
December 09, 2016 at 05:10PM View BBCode
i converted a lot of them, and it just always seemed to work better for me. i would try to switch from the outfield and they just wouldn't hit them. i switched them to first base, and then they converted. thats all. if folks want to keep at it from the outfield, thats their choice.
WillyD
I remember talking about it in a different thread, and Tim mentioned 1st base being better. They guy I converted did it from 2B. He did really well (.2% per game) in the majors in his early 20's.
December 09, 2016 at 11:09PM View BBCode
Not sure about the minors, as I haven't seen enough of them to get s decent sample size. I have noticed that they convert in the majors faster from certain positions and ages. Instead of the usual .1% per game, they get .2% per.I remember talking about it in a different thread, and Tim mentioned 1st base being better. They guy I converted did it from 2B. He did really well (.2% per game) in the majors in his early 20's.
ccox
My thinking is that it's difficult enough in the minors just trying to reach the 50% minimum (more in some leagues). If you spend 3-4 seasons and only reach 40 percent before needing to promote, there's a way to play him at 1st then have ABE force him to play catcher when the other's resting.
Or better yet, dump your catcher(s) and leave that 1B-man/developing catcher unassigned and ABE will force him to start. (question....without catchers, does this trick work for any player with some amount of catcher conversions?)
I may not have that exactly right...never tried these things.
December 10, 2016 at 02:03AM View BBCode
I think part of the need to convert them to 1B dirtdevil touched on (that ABE picks the 1B if no other catcher is available). And I certainly would go with tm's advice, since he's done it many times.My thinking is that it's difficult enough in the minors just trying to reach the 50% minimum (more in some leagues). If you spend 3-4 seasons and only reach 40 percent before needing to promote, there's a way to play him at 1st then have ABE force him to play catcher when the other's resting.
Or better yet, dump your catcher(s) and leave that 1B-man/developing catcher unassigned and ABE will force him to start. (question....without catchers, does this trick work for any player with some amount of catcher conversions?)
I may not have that exactly right...never tried these things.
LTJaeger
December 25, 2016 at 04:33AM View BBCode
I've only converted a few guys, and it's painstakingly slow, but I haven't converted them to 1B or 3B first. The per game improvement rate has been 0.2 per game for outfielders once they're in the majors for all the ones I've done.
WillyD
Did you happen to notice at what age are they converting at that rate? My catcher converting from 2nd base went from .2% to .1% once he reached his mid 20's.
December 25, 2016 at 04:52PM View BBCode
Originally posted by LTJaeger
I've only converted a few guys, and it's painstakingly slow, but I haven't converted them to 1B or 3B first. The per game improvement rate has been 0.2 per game for outfielders once they're in the majors for all the ones I've done.
Did you happen to notice at what age are they converting at that rate? My catcher converting from 2nd base went from .2% to .1% once he reached his mid 20's.
LTJaeger
It wasn't a typical conversion in that instance, as the guy was originally drafted (by another team) as a C, and had been converted to 1B, then 3B, and then the OF before I acquired him, and started converting him back. He reached 94.7 before turning 32.
December 29, 2016 at 01:25AM View BBCode
Bill, I have a guy in his 30's that was converting at 0.2 per game; I think he was calendar year 30 and OS 31. Unfortunately, on his 32nd birthday, he stopped converting entirely.It wasn't a typical conversion in that instance, as the guy was originally drafted (by another team) as a C, and had been converted to 1B, then 3B, and then the OF before I acquired him, and started converting him back. He reached 94.7 before turning 32.
meat1968
This season, he began converting at 2%, then for some reason it adjusted back to 1%.
WillyD - is this what you were talking about when you mentioned mid 20's?
I've got two other guys that I'm converting in two separate leagues and I'm gonna try the 1st baseman to C route. Can't go any slower that it is.
Here's the conversion rates for the three minor league players that I'm attempting to convert:
Ausmus: Chances=40 Conversions=0 Percentage=0.000%
Lindbom Chances=618 Conversions=9 Percentage=1.456%
Heise Chances=671 Conversions=10 Percentage=1.490%
Totals Chances=1329 Conversions=19 Percentage=1.430%
8.204 years to make 100% based on 162 games
[Edited on 1-23-2017 by meat1968]
January 23, 2017 at 02:54PM View BBCode
I brought up Tom Heise (http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11772387) when he reached 50% in the minors from the OF position (CF) and he converted the entire season at 2% at OS24.This season, he began converting at 2%, then for some reason it adjusted back to 1%.
WillyD - is this what you were talking about when you mentioned mid 20's?
I've got two other guys that I'm converting in two separate leagues and I'm gonna try the 1st baseman to C route. Can't go any slower that it is.
Here's the conversion rates for the three minor league players that I'm attempting to convert:
Ausmus: Chances=40 Conversions=0 Percentage=0.000%
Lindbom Chances=618 Conversions=9 Percentage=1.456%
Heise Chances=671 Conversions=10 Percentage=1.490%
Totals Chances=1329 Conversions=19 Percentage=1.430%
8.204 years to make 100% based on 162 games
[Edited on 1-23-2017 by meat1968]
WillyD
January 23, 2017 at 04:46PM View BBCode
Did Heise have his birthday at some point in the season? Maybe 25 is the age it slows to 1%?
meat1968
No, his big day was prior to the season. That was my thought as well, but his birthday is January 17th. Strange...
I plan to keep separate stats once my catchers are 1B qualified and do a % comparison. It should be interesting to see the numbers.
January 23, 2017 at 05:12PM View BBCode
Thanks for the reply.No, his big day was prior to the season. That was my thought as well, but his birthday is January 17th. Strange...
I plan to keep separate stats once my catchers are 1B qualified and do a % comparison. It should be interesting to see the numbers.
dirtdevil
I know he's coming from the OF (I have no idea if he started as a C that someone converted to OF or an OF who was being converted to C) but surely to god someone in the mid 20's who has played over 250 consecutive games behind the plate should just be considered a C?
January 24, 2017 at 03:43PM View BBCode
catcher conversions are just frustrating. I inherited [url= http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=12278022&statsorimps=pos]Tyson Lange[/url] in the SDL. he was about 60% at C at 26, so I put him behind the plate. after playing 253 games over 2+ seasons, exclusively at C, he's now at 89%.I know he's coming from the OF (I have no idea if he started as a C that someone converted to OF or an OF who was being converted to C) but surely to god someone in the mid 20's who has played over 250 consecutive games behind the plate should just be considered a C?
TheBigKahuna0
My other example is [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11878227&statsorimps=imps]Renie Sperring[/url] who moved from SS. He converted 16 IC's before getting the call to start this season. He's started full-time and just converted fully mid/late August of the same season.
Both guys were the same age when called up - obviously one had 6 more IC's converted (worth 30% I believe) and finished the conversion quickly. Their ranges were similar (around C-) when called up although Renie had an A+ arm vs Ricky's B. They even have the same B- health.
I guess this is a good test case since they had similar paths. Unfortunately I started Ricky a year late - forgot about that. In terms of ages and improves in the minors, here's the data:
OS Age - Renie - Ricky
18 - 4 - 0
19 - 2 - 4
20 - 6 - 4
21 - 4 - 2
There's not enough there to draw any conclusions in my opinion. I think I got crazy lucky with Ricky after starting him a year late. Also of note is that Renie is in a variable development league, but I don't think he's anything abnormal.
January 24, 2017 at 05:05PM View BBCode
I have a couple of examples here - makes me wish I collected more exact dates. In JJL, I moved [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11428068&statsorimps=imps]Ricky Boisclair[/url] from CF to C. He converted 10 IC's to put him at 50% and I pulled him up pretty quickly after that. Based on his fielding numbers (and memory) he fully converted in his 3rd year behind the plate. Looks like he was 24 when conversion completed.My other example is [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=11878227&statsorimps=imps]Renie Sperring[/url] who moved from SS. He converted 16 IC's before getting the call to start this season. He's started full-time and just converted fully mid/late August of the same season.
Both guys were the same age when called up - obviously one had 6 more IC's converted (worth 30% I believe) and finished the conversion quickly. Their ranges were similar (around C-) when called up although Renie had an A+ arm vs Ricky's B. They even have the same B- health.
I guess this is a good test case since they had similar paths. Unfortunately I started Ricky a year late - forgot about that. In terms of ages and improves in the minors, here's the data:
OS Age - Renie - Ricky
18 - 4 - 0
19 - 2 - 4
20 - 6 - 4
21 - 4 - 2
There's not enough there to draw any conclusions in my opinion. I think I got crazy lucky with Ricky after starting him a year late. Also of note is that Renie is in a variable development league, but I don't think he's anything abnormal.
meat1968
I've switched him over to 1B for the interim to see if there's any benefit compared to others who are switching from CF and 3B respectively.
The 3B player (Lindom) has been sitting at 45% for almost a year without converting. I think Abe's just testing my resilience...
Looking around the leagues that I'm involved with, there's a lack of available catchers. It's like an Offensive Lineman in the NFL - big time need for most. If there's going to be a lack of players in this position out of the draft, then the conversion should be a bit easier to make. Even .2% per game in the bigs would be an option. The .1% is like watching the La La Land with the wife...it never ends...
January 25, 2017 at 06:14PM View BBCode
Thanks for sharing BK - I'm gonna add my findings as the years progress. The JJL player that I'm working with is Ausmus (http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=12321260) mainly because he's young and I like his Range/Arm splits.I've switched him over to 1B for the interim to see if there's any benefit compared to others who are switching from CF and 3B respectively.
The 3B player (Lindom) has been sitting at 45% for almost a year without converting. I think Abe's just testing my resilience...
Looking around the leagues that I'm involved with, there's a lack of available catchers. It's like an Offensive Lineman in the NFL - big time need for most. If there's going to be a lack of players in this position out of the draft, then the conversion should be a bit easier to make. Even .2% per game in the bigs would be an option. The .1% is like watching the La La Land with the wife...it never ends...
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