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don4593
I know there is a conversion somewhere, but I don't want to have to learn something completely new. I tried a number league once before and hated it.
I don't suppose you can see the letter grades in a number league, can you?
May 15, 2015 at 02:04PM View BBCode
I've been in sim a while. I want to join a 24 team league, but the only decent ones use numbers. I am like that old guy who refuses to use new technology.I know there is a conversion somewhere, but I don't want to have to learn something completely new. I tried a number league once before and hated it.
dirtdevil
May 15, 2015 at 02:12PM View BBCode
i also hate number leagues, so i sympathize. my understanding is that there is a function that would allow you to view the depth chart in letters. i have no idea where that might be though.
tm4559
May 15, 2015 at 03:36PM View BBCode
what? edit profile (there are several options). you can see all the letters you want, unless your league has them turned off for some reason.
tm4559
May 15, 2015 at 03:38PM View BBCode
(the only thing wrong with numbers leagues is they are too easy.)
tworoosters
No the other problem is that they pretty much kill trading because everybody gets hung up on "Well your guy is only an 82 in PVR and my guy is an 83".
May 15, 2015 at 03:45PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
(the only thing wrong with numbers leagues is they are too easy.)
No the other problem is that they pretty much kill trading because everybody gets hung up on "Well your guy is only an 82 in PVR and my guy is an 83".
tm4559
(if more folks would play numbers, they would actually learn, by observation and not by guessing, what that 1 extra point brings.)
((hint, it is like, impossible to measure it really. what it gives in actual output is so small, it isn't worth talking about.))
May 15, 2015 at 04:42PM View BBCode
giggle.(if more folks would play numbers, they would actually learn, by observation and not by guessing, what that 1 extra point brings.)
((hint, it is like, impossible to measure it really. what it gives in actual output is so small, it isn't worth talking about.))
tworoosters
You know that but I can't count the number of times this stuff happened to me when I played numbers .
May 15, 2015 at 04:47PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
giggle.
(if more folks would play numbers, they would actually learn, by observation and not by guessing, what that 1 extra point brings.)
((hint, it is like, impossible to measure it really. what it gives in actual output is so small, it isn't worth talking about.))
You know that but I can't count the number of times this stuff happened to me when I played numbers .
don4593
May 15, 2015 at 05:46PM View BBCode
So just to clarify before I purchase a team. I can change the number grades to letter grades by clicking an option in "Edit Profile". Perhaps I am blind but I cannot find any such option, not sure if it is because I haven't purchased the team
paulcaraccio
May 15, 2015 at 05:47PM View BBCode
yeah it only shows up if you're logged in to a Numbers league.
tm4559
May 15, 2015 at 06:57PM View BBCode
yes, you will have that option when you buy in. just like drano would not let you hurt your pipes, we would not let you buy this team and not get your letters.
WillyD
This is untrue. Might have been true back in the day, with a league full of newbs, but it's not the case in my numbers league (83 seasons of experience).
It actually helps players who are the high side of their grades get traded. No one wants an A/B+ hitter in a letters league, but a 91/75 hitter with speed will have no issues finding a new team. This balances out the players that may not get traded because they are low in their grades.
Now if you want to squash trading, switch to system 3 or 4 minors.
May 15, 2015 at 10:40PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by tm4559
(the only thing wrong with numbers leagues is they are too easy.)
No the other problem is that they pretty much kill trading because everybody gets hung up on "Well your guy is only an 82 in PVR and my guy is an 83".
This is untrue. Might have been true back in the day, with a league full of newbs, but it's not the case in my numbers league (83 seasons of experience).
It actually helps players who are the high side of their grades get traded. No one wants an A/B+ hitter in a letters league, but a 91/75 hitter with speed will have no issues finding a new team. This balances out the players that may not get traded because they are low in their grades.
Now if you want to squash trading, switch to system 3 or 4 minors.
MDorf
May 15, 2015 at 11:19PM View BBCode
I like the numbers. I like letters, too, but numbers really did help me learn this game. It helps people get out of the grading system from school. It helps you learn that a C isn't average. It is 36-43% instead of the 70 we are used to.
Hamilton2
May 16, 2015 at 01:17AM View BBCode
If you are in a league that allows numbers, then you need to use numbers; or you are intentionally and unnecessarily handicapping yourself. Just sayin' ...
tworoosters
You know the funny thing I've heard some people say this and yet every system 3 league I've ever been in has been among the most active trade leagues .
My current league the VSL has averaged 18 trades a year since I joined 10 years ago, but maybe that means it's squashed .
May 16, 2015 at 03:49AM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Now if you want to squash trading, switch to system 3 or 4 minors.
You know the funny thing I've heard some people say this and yet every system 3 league I've ever been in has been among the most active trade leagues .
My current league the VSL has averaged 18 trades a year since I joined 10 years ago, but maybe that means it's squashed .
don4593
I hear you. The point of me doing it is so I can ease into the numbers can. Switching back and forth and trying to get a better feel for it. I jumped into the JLL league without an preparation, you know like when your with a girl and you don't have lube...yeah.
I was done after 8 seasons. Wasted my time, the JLL's time, and took a spot from someone who would have been more worthy
May 16, 2015 at 08:02AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Hamilton2
If you are in a league that allows numbers, then you need to use numbers; or you are intentionally and unnecessarily handicapping yourself. Just sayin' ...
I hear you. The point of me doing it is so I can ease into the numbers can. Switching back and forth and trying to get a better feel for it. I jumped into the JLL league without an preparation, you know like when your with a girl and you don't have lube...yeah.
I was done after 8 seasons. Wasted my time, the JLL's time, and took a spot from someone who would have been more worthy
WillyD
Spent 88 seasons in a system 3 league (NFL). Doubt we averaged more than 5 per season. There were stretches of nearly 2 seasons without any trades. I guess that doesn't qualify as squashed?
May 17, 2015 at 06:11PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by WillyD
Now if you want to squash trading, switch to system 3 or 4 minors.
You know the funny thing I've heard some people say this and yet every system 3 league I've ever been in has been among the most active trade leagues .
My current league the VSL has averaged 18 trades a year since I joined 10 years ago, but maybe that means it's squashed .
Spent 88 seasons in a system 3 league (NFL). Doubt we averaged more than 5 per season. There were stretches of nearly 2 seasons without any trades. I guess that doesn't qualify as squashed?
tworoosters
Data was broken down by 16 team leagues and 24 team leagues but since the 24 team leagues are so new the overall sample is so small, roughly 300 seasons, that I'll leave it out. System 4 is also very small, around 210 seasons, so we'll exclude that as well
The average league will have 10.98 trades per year
System 2 leagues average 12.7 trades per year
System 3 leagues average 8.53 trades per year
The data also shows that my assertion that numbers leagues depress trading is also true .
Leagues using letters average 10.75 trades per year
Leagues using numbers average 7.55 trades per year
Leagues using letters with hidden +/- average .................27.04 trades per year
It would appear that the less we know the more likely we are to make a trade.
May 18, 2015 at 06:33AM View BBCode
So I asked Chris to pull the data to see what affected trading in leagues, of course some of this will be affected by competition etc but it's interesting that Willy's contention that system 3 minor leagues depress trading is correct.Data was broken down by 16 team leagues and 24 team leagues but since the 24 team leagues are so new the overall sample is so small, roughly 300 seasons, that I'll leave it out. System 4 is also very small, around 210 seasons, so we'll exclude that as well
The average league will have 10.98 trades per year
System 2 leagues average 12.7 trades per year
System 3 leagues average 8.53 trades per year
The data also shows that my assertion that numbers leagues depress trading is also true .
Leagues using letters average 10.75 trades per year
Leagues using numbers average 7.55 trades per year
Leagues using letters with hidden +/- average .................27.04 trades per year
It would appear that the less we know the more likely we are to make a trade.
Kabuki
Under profile, under site preferences there is a "Skill Ratings Display:" option
It is a drop down with 5 options.
Always show Letters Grades
Show Numbers On Depth Charts
Show Numbers on Player Cards
Show Numbers on Depth Charts and Player Cards
Always Show Numbers.
I use the 3rd option - Show Numbers on Player Cards.
When I first came into the league it was on - Always Show Numbers-
Looking at the depth chart like this was impossible for me, and still is.
That is why I have it show letters on the depth chart page and then I hoover on a player to see his card and numbers if I need to.
(it is also this way on the waiver wire page and the batting order pages and pitcher rotation page)
It is a 24 man league (which is all that I will ever play in again)
As for saying --
I completely disagree with that.
I have found that it is like all other leagues and really just comes down to the quality and experience of all the other owners in the league. (Just like in any league no matter what the settings in my opinion)
I have also found that it actually can promote trading when it come to vets that have started to decline.
( being able to see where a vet is actually at, and how much they have declined, I feel can promote trading for teams that are still trying to compete and can actually makes what people expect more reasonable.( in most cases, depending on the owner of course)
I have actually come to quite like the numbers league.
What I would really like to see is a 24 team league that has variable development and plays 15+ games a day.
I feel that VD is really the only thing that makes the game still exciting and It seems to me most people are against it and I do not understand why.
And I really wish variable declining age would became a feature at some point but I will take any improvements at all to the game at this point.
But I do think 24 team leagues are great and muchly needed improvement over 16 team leagues.
I love having the 8 extra people to try and trade with,
and being able to battle for the 2 wild card spots in case you cant win the divicion is also a vast improvement and makes the game more fun for me.
Thanks for listeing.
May 18, 2015 at 10:17AM View BBCode
This option only shows up if it is a numbers league.Under profile, under site preferences there is a "Skill Ratings Display:" option
It is a drop down with 5 options.
Always show Letters Grades
Show Numbers On Depth Charts
Show Numbers on Player Cards
Show Numbers on Depth Charts and Player Cards
Always Show Numbers.
I use the 3rd option - Show Numbers on Player Cards.
When I first came into the league it was on - Always Show Numbers-
Looking at the depth chart like this was impossible for me, and still is.
That is why I have it show letters on the depth chart page and then I hoover on a player to see his card and numbers if I need to.
(it is also this way on the waiver wire page and the batting order pages and pitcher rotation page)
It is a 24 man league (which is all that I will ever play in again)
As for saying --
(the only thing wrong with numbers leagues is they are too easy.)
I completely disagree with that.
I have found that it is like all other leagues and really just comes down to the quality and experience of all the other owners in the league. (Just like in any league no matter what the settings in my opinion)
I have also found that it actually can promote trading when it come to vets that have started to decline.
( being able to see where a vet is actually at, and how much they have declined, I feel can promote trading for teams that are still trying to compete and can actually makes what people expect more reasonable.( in most cases, depending on the owner of course)
I have actually come to quite like the numbers league.
What I would really like to see is a 24 team league that has variable development and plays 15+ games a day.
I feel that VD is really the only thing that makes the game still exciting and It seems to me most people are against it and I do not understand why.
And I really wish variable declining age would became a feature at some point but I will take any improvements at all to the game at this point.
But I do think 24 team leagues are great and muchly needed improvement over 16 team leagues.
I love having the 8 extra people to try and trade with,
and being able to battle for the 2 wild card spots in case you cant win the divicion is also a vast improvement and makes the game more fun for me.
Thanks for listeing.
tm4559
as far as trading goes, its fine, who cares. folks that want to trade will always find a way. in letter leagues, folks often get hung up on trying to trade for some particular player (USUALLY BASED ON ITS STATS). in numbers, its easy to find an alternative to that player that you can probably buy cheaper. that equals easier. the stats are totally meaningless, and a lesser rated player can carry better stats. but if you are trading, the one with the better ratings is the one to buy. because the only at bat (or appearance by a pitcher) that counts is the next one.
May 18, 2015 at 01:29PM View BBCode
its easy in that its no problem at all to figure out which player is better than another. in the letter leagues, the wide range of the letters makes it more difficult. in a letter league, you can have two a- pitchers, for instance, or two hitters of the same letter skill, and folks will try to trade for them, or use one over the other, based on their stats. in numbers, you know which one is better. even if the one with the lesser ratings numbers has better stats, you know, you understand? the one with the lesser ratings is just lucky. the one that should play is the one with the better ratings.as far as trading goes, its fine, who cares. folks that want to trade will always find a way. in letter leagues, folks often get hung up on trying to trade for some particular player (USUALLY BASED ON ITS STATS). in numbers, its easy to find an alternative to that player that you can probably buy cheaper. that equals easier. the stats are totally meaningless, and a lesser rated player can carry better stats. but if you are trading, the one with the better ratings is the one to buy. because the only at bat (or appearance by a pitcher) that counts is the next one.
WillyD
This is classic! You really, really wanted to be right on this one. Turns out we were both wrong to some degree, only you wound up being more wrong. System 3 depresses trades even more than numbers brings it down.
[Edited on 5-23-2015 by WillyD]
May 23, 2015 at 03:19AM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
So I asked Chris to pull the data to see what affected trading in leagues, of course some of this will be affected by competition etc but it's interesting that Willy's contention that system 3 minor leagues depress trading is correct.
Data was broken down by 16 team leagues and 24 team leagues but since the 24 team leagues are so new the overall sample is so small, roughly 300 seasons, that I'll leave it out. System 4 is also very small, around 210 seasons, so we'll exclude that as well
The average league will have 10.98 trades per year
System 2 leagues average 12.7 trades per year
System 3 leagues average 8.53 trades per year
The data also shows that my assertion that numbers leagues depress trading is also true .
Leagues using letters average 10.75 trades per year
Leagues using numbers average 7.55 trades per year
Leagues using letters with hidden +/- average .................27.04 trades per year
It would appear that the less we know the more likely we are to make a trade.
This is classic! You really, really wanted to be right on this one. Turns out we were both wrong to some degree, only you wound up being more wrong. System 3 depresses trades even more than numbers brings it down.
[Edited on 5-23-2015 by WillyD]
dirtdevil
May 24, 2015 at 01:04AM View BBCode
I'm confused. If a regular league averages 12.7 trades per year, a system 3 league averages 8.53 and a numbers league averges 7.55, then how does system 3 depress trading more than numbers when numbers leagues have fewer trades?
mr1313
May 24, 2015 at 01:23AM View BBCode
Trading comes down to an active group of owners in the league. The VSL has very good competitive group of owners.
WillyD
You're comparing apples to oranges. It's the difference those rules reduce trading.
System 3 reduces trades from 12.7 to 8.53 per season, compared to system 2.
Numbers leagues (includes all developments systems) reduces trades from 10.98 to 7.55 trades per season.
June 06, 2015 at 11:01PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
I'm confused. If a regular league averages 12.7 trades per year, a system 3 league averages 8.53 and a numbers league averges 7.55, then how does system 3 depress trading more than numbers when numbers leagues have fewer trades?
You're comparing apples to oranges. It's the difference those rules reduce trading.
System 3 reduces trades from 12.7 to 8.53 per season, compared to system 2.
Numbers leagues (includes all developments systems) reduces trades from 10.98 to 7.55 trades per season.
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