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DemonicDoudou
For me, trading CP is a nonsense, because it doesn't represent the sport. Have you ever see a team loaning players to another one and get them back 2 or 3 years later, at their full potential?
The simulation experience is supposed to be realistic and CP trading is not.
I'm rebuilding Boston since 1992. Getting out of sewers is tough and I will do without CP trading, even if I have plenty of good prospects.
Sorry for poor english, It's not my base language.
No CP trade for me
November 17, 2013 at 04:32AM View BBCode
When I joined the league, I wanted to experience simulation of Major league baseball.For me, trading CP is a nonsense, because it doesn't represent the sport. Have you ever see a team loaning players to another one and get them back 2 or 3 years later, at their full potential?
The simulation experience is supposed to be realistic and CP trading is not.
I'm rebuilding Boston since 1992. Getting out of sewers is tough and I will do without CP trading, even if I have plenty of good prospects.
Sorry for poor english, It's not my base language.
beaubonhomme
November 17, 2013 at 01:43PM View BBCode
i'm afraid you won't have a choice now. if someone is building his team on steroids you have to follow. how can you expect to compete if you train 5 players while another owner is training 8 players ?
ccox
"...in real life there are other considerations such as cash and players to be named later that we can't really duplicate here, so trading coach points was a way to add some additional "currency" for trades."
You're right. CP trades don't exactly mirror the MLB experience, but a lot of things in SIMD don't. Like 8 teams per league, out-of-position conversion in-game, pitchers who toss over 300 innings, etc.
Let's use your A+/A+ pitcher [url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=10477564]Mononque[/url] as an example of a lack of realism.
1. He will never have a career ending injury, or miss a season and a half or more because of Tommy John surgery.
2. He'll remain A+/A+ for a long time, won't decline in skills because of a nagging injury or because he doesn't condition himself properly during the off-season (not until he's OS 34).
3. He pitched 277 innings last season and will continue to toss at that clip until he retires or deteriorates too much. What modern pitcher does that?
4. He will never turn into a bust like some overall #1s.
I'd say Mononque is a hell of a lot more unrealistic than the spirit behind CP trades. The league has to face this impenetrable beast for 32 or so games year after year, and if you make it to the playoffs, he won't throw an off game because of jitters (nerves aren't part of the code). He may single-handedly win you the World Series.
So, please, to all those against CP trades, spare me the moral outrage about a few borderline useful guys I sent to Baltimore for CPs, as if that's going to crush all your hopes. If you're truly looking for the realistic experience you've come here for, set your pitching preferences so that all your starters throw no more than 180-225 innings. Better yet, send me Mononque and I'll give you some more MLB-like players so you can enjoy your realism.
November 17, 2013 at 02:15PM View BBCode
This is from administration about CP trades, found here: [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=317996&page=2]CP debate[/url]"...in real life there are other considerations such as cash and players to be named later that we can't really duplicate here, so trading coach points was a way to add some additional "currency" for trades."
You're right. CP trades don't exactly mirror the MLB experience, but a lot of things in SIMD don't. Like 8 teams per league, out-of-position conversion in-game, pitchers who toss over 300 innings, etc.
Let's use your A+/A+ pitcher [url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=10477564]Mononque[/url] as an example of a lack of realism.
1. He will never have a career ending injury, or miss a season and a half or more because of Tommy John surgery.
2. He'll remain A+/A+ for a long time, won't decline in skills because of a nagging injury or because he doesn't condition himself properly during the off-season (not until he's OS 34).
3. He pitched 277 innings last season and will continue to toss at that clip until he retires or deteriorates too much. What modern pitcher does that?
4. He will never turn into a bust like some overall #1s.
I'd say Mononque is a hell of a lot more unrealistic than the spirit behind CP trades. The league has to face this impenetrable beast for 32 or so games year after year, and if you make it to the playoffs, he won't throw an off game because of jitters (nerves aren't part of the code). He may single-handedly win you the World Series.
So, please, to all those against CP trades, spare me the moral outrage about a few borderline useful guys I sent to Baltimore for CPs, as if that's going to crush all your hopes. If you're truly looking for the realistic experience you've come here for, set your pitching preferences so that all your starters throw no more than 180-225 innings. Better yet, send me Mononque and I'll give you some more MLB-like players so you can enjoy your realism.
Dowland
But in my opinion, the debate about CP trades is not about realism anyway. It has been consensus in this league to have no CP trades, a part of the game people obviously have mixed feelings about. All players who have joined the league later (including me), have accepted that. When you change that, everyone has to use these trades too or has to live with a disadvantage.
I'm not happy about that change, but will have to accept it if the majority has no problem with it.
November 17, 2013 at 08:35PM View BBCode
ccox, honestly I disagree with you on a lot of the points you made above - for example, SimD simulates the situation from 1958, when there were indeed 8 teams per league and pitchers threw more innings. And sometimes, good pitchers have bad seasons, too.But in my opinion, the debate about CP trades is not about realism anyway. It has been consensus in this league to have no CP trades, a part of the game people obviously have mixed feelings about. All players who have joined the league later (including me), have accepted that. When you change that, everyone has to use these trades too or has to live with a disadvantage.
I'm not happy about that change, but will have to accept it if the majority has no problem with it.
blackmet
I have done them in other leagues, and I actually did do one with ccox in the RAL (ABE decided it hated that pitcher I sent him that year, and it ended up being kind of useless, but that's not ccox's fault, and I did check his depth chart at random times to make sure he was keeping 5 CP's on the player, which he did).
In general, I don't like to do CP's trades, and will probably never OFFER CP's to anyone myself. If you can't manage have 5 reasonably worth developing players in the minors, you need to work on your drafting skills. I also don't think there's adequate protection for if someone DOES screw you on the CP's later on...with that one exception I made, I'd rather have the player or the draft pick.
Whichever way we go in this league as far as CP trades, I'm keeping this team. It's my first, I'm super attached to it. Have toyed with letting my RAL team go once I'm done in favor of a salary cap league team, because I think that could be a really fun wrinkle to play with, but this team stays until the lights go out.
November 18, 2013 at 12:11AM View BBCode
I dunno. I tend to go with what the majority says as far as CP trades.I have done them in other leagues, and I actually did do one with ccox in the RAL (ABE decided it hated that pitcher I sent him that year, and it ended up being kind of useless, but that's not ccox's fault, and I did check his depth chart at random times to make sure he was keeping 5 CP's on the player, which he did).
In general, I don't like to do CP's trades, and will probably never OFFER CP's to anyone myself. If you can't manage have 5 reasonably worth developing players in the minors, you need to work on your drafting skills. I also don't think there's adequate protection for if someone DOES screw you on the CP's later on...with that one exception I made, I'd rather have the player or the draft pick.
Whichever way we go in this league as far as CP trades, I'm keeping this team. It's my first, I'm super attached to it. Have toyed with letting my RAL team go once I'm done in favor of a salary cap league team, because I think that could be a really fun wrinkle to play with, but this team stays until the lights go out.
moustique
I am violently against cp trade, I just made it clear publicly to Admin on the forum, I expect a lot of heat about this in the next several days, But when I say I will fight something... I mean it ! Those who do not want to take part in this, we can fight it together.
November 18, 2013 at 12:27AM View BBCode
Dowland with all the work you did to build us a our Hall Of Fame. Know this, I will have your back if the need arise.I am violently against cp trade, I just made it clear publicly to Admin on the forum, I expect a lot of heat about this in the next several days, But when I say I will fight something... I mean it ! Those who do not want to take part in this, we can fight it together.
ccox
If Baltimore is cool with giving back the guys I had him put CPs on (he can keep the guys I traded to him and we can work something out later...I'm a trusting person), I might be willing to digitally shake hands and start over. I'm going to be here for a while because I like the team I've put together.
November 18, 2013 at 01:45AM View BBCode
You know what, when I first made a CP trade inquiry on the board here two of you got on and very rudely told me "how the game works" and that it was "a cancer" and you came across as rude and bossy. But since then I see there are a few more who'd rather this not be a CP league and like I've said I'm here to have fun. You don't know me from anyone, but I'm not a dick and want us to get along.If Baltimore is cool with giving back the guys I had him put CPs on (he can keep the guys I traded to him and we can work something out later...I'm a trusting person), I might be willing to digitally shake hands and start over. I'm going to be here for a while because I like the team I've put together.
Brownshoe
They are a blind trade that Admin will not address.
A Dynasty league team has 20 CPs that must be assigned according to the Game Guide. Most owners in the JBL live with this rule and build their team accordingly.
I can not find it at this time, but I think I've read that "lending" players was not allowed in Sim D. With CP's involved or not lending is lending.
Whatever....CP trading should be spelled out or avoided altogether. It is not welcomed by this owner.
Shoe
November 18, 2013 at 02:38AM View BBCode
CP trading does not set well with me.They are a blind trade that Admin will not address.
A Dynasty league team has 20 CPs that must be assigned according to the Game Guide. Most owners in the JBL live with this rule and build their team accordingly.
I can not find it at this time, but I think I've read that "lending" players was not allowed in Sim D. With CP's involved or not lending is lending.
Whatever....CP trading should be spelled out or avoided altogether. It is not welcomed by this owner.
Shoe
ccox
It is spelled out. Right here:
[url=http://rules.simdynasty.com/index.php/Site_Rules]CP Trades[/url]
"Draft picks can be traded out in dynasty leagues to however many seasons each owner is renewed for, up to 5. In private and speed leagues these can only be traded up to your renewal, and limited by a preset number of seasons out. This applies also to CP trades. You cannot trade CPs for seasons beyond your renewal, or beyond the number of seasons set for draft pick trades."
The lending section you're referring to talks about people who lend other players to teams that stick them in the majors, earning CPs that way, then send them back to the original owner. THAT is illegal.
But CP trades are allowed, per rules. I think that's the crux of the problem here. Some of you think it isn't allowed. Anyway, stop telling me it's cheating and all the other BS you guys keep spouting just because in your fantasy worlds this portion of the game don't exist. I'm sorry I came into this league and didn't know your secret handshake. The two that addressed this initially were very rude, telling me how the game works as if I'd never played. You came across as arrogant and it was off-putting.
But like I said in my last post, I might be willing to take back my players if that makes everyone happy. But again. Not allowing CP trades is illegal. It's how a few of you want YOUR game to work, here in this league, and if I were to reverse the CP trade, I would be reversing something that is clearly within the rules.
November 18, 2013 at 03:06AM View BBCode
I had edited my previous message and finished after you, Brownshoe, had made your last post, so you probably hadn't read it. But I want to address this:Originally posted by Brownshoe
...CP trading should be spelled out or avoided altogether. It is not welcomed by this owner.
Shoe
It is spelled out. Right here:
[url=http://rules.simdynasty.com/index.php/Site_Rules]CP Trades[/url]
"Draft picks can be traded out in dynasty leagues to however many seasons each owner is renewed for, up to 5. In private and speed leagues these can only be traded up to your renewal, and limited by a preset number of seasons out. This applies also to CP trades. You cannot trade CPs for seasons beyond your renewal, or beyond the number of seasons set for draft pick trades."
The lending section you're referring to talks about people who lend other players to teams that stick them in the majors, earning CPs that way, then send them back to the original owner. THAT is illegal.
But CP trades are allowed, per rules. I think that's the crux of the problem here. Some of you think it isn't allowed. Anyway, stop telling me it's cheating and all the other BS you guys keep spouting just because in your fantasy worlds this portion of the game don't exist. I'm sorry I came into this league and didn't know your secret handshake. The two that addressed this initially were very rude, telling me how the game works as if I'd never played. You came across as arrogant and it was off-putting.
But like I said in my last post, I might be willing to take back my players if that makes everyone happy. But again. Not allowing CP trades is illegal. It's how a few of you want YOUR game to work, here in this league, and if I were to reverse the CP trade, I would be reversing something that is clearly within the rules.
moustique
I will leave the Max Carey league after this season because of 3 guys and their cp trade strategy, But here in the JBL i'm too attached to my team I will not leave easily.
To be honest my problem is not with you ccox it's with Sim D who don't give us as a dynasty league a tool or a way to make it clear that this league has run without cp trade for so long, and those who ''think'' they need this to build a winning team there is plenty of other leagues for it. most players who dislike cp trade are going off the dynasty leagues ( hence why some dynasty leagues have weak participation) and goes to private league. But it never was the case here, all teams are cared for by good owners. We saw some really good owners quit over the years but we were lucky to get equally good ones to replace them.
I'm aggressive on the matter because i know very well this debate will probably happen more and more frequently as time passes. As far as i'm concerned ( not sure everyone will agree with me ) Sim D should maybe freeze this dynasty league and let us convert it into a private one. that way we keep the teams we all love so much for playing them for so long and we won't have do this debate again and again.
Mr Shoe you remember we talked about a private league in the past. Maybe it's time to push the idea forward again. I know at least 10 of us will be onboard
November 18, 2013 at 03:47AM View BBCode
You are right. I was ( am ) arrogant and bossy. but there is a reason, i have seen the damage it does to a league, For me the JBL is the last playable dynasty league and i thank all the older players for it.I will leave the Max Carey league after this season because of 3 guys and their cp trade strategy, But here in the JBL i'm too attached to my team I will not leave easily.
To be honest my problem is not with you ccox it's with Sim D who don't give us as a dynasty league a tool or a way to make it clear that this league has run without cp trade for so long, and those who ''think'' they need this to build a winning team there is plenty of other leagues for it. most players who dislike cp trade are going off the dynasty leagues ( hence why some dynasty leagues have weak participation) and goes to private league. But it never was the case here, all teams are cared for by good owners. We saw some really good owners quit over the years but we were lucky to get equally good ones to replace them.
I'm aggressive on the matter because i know very well this debate will probably happen more and more frequently as time passes. As far as i'm concerned ( not sure everyone will agree with me ) Sim D should maybe freeze this dynasty league and let us convert it into a private one. that way we keep the teams we all love so much for playing them for so long and we won't have do this debate again and again.
Mr Shoe you remember we talked about a private league in the past. Maybe it's time to push the idea forward again. I know at least 10 of us will be onboard
ccox
Now. If I do this, can we all digitally shake hands and have fun in this league together?
November 18, 2013 at 04:06AM View BBCode
You know that's the first time you've actually spoken to me like a human being. I have sent Baltimore a request to return the players he put CPs on back. I do not want the players I traded to him because it will screw up the team I've created. I ask you all to trust he and I to come to some agreement for the guys I gave him. Somehow I'll figure out how to reallocate the points.Now. If I do this, can we all digitally shake hands and have fun in this league together?
Satyr
the original complaint was that the 2 owners involved in a CP deal didn't post anything about it, which left the league not knowing what just happened with all these deals going on. The complaint was not that there was a CP deal but that it was not posted.
I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with CP deals and don't understand what the big fuss about it is. Dynasty leagues are allowed to have CP deals, you just have to post it to let others know the details about your deal.
And now from what I'm reading it looks like ccox is willing to trade players back but why? He made a completely legitimate deal but just didn't post it.
CP deals are in all Dynasty leagues.
ccox, I wasn't trying to be rude, I was just merely stating that you guys needed to post and let us all know what just happened here. No big deal...
November 18, 2013 at 04:47AM View BBCode
I'm confused.the original complaint was that the 2 owners involved in a CP deal didn't post anything about it, which left the league not knowing what just happened with all these deals going on. The complaint was not that there was a CP deal but that it was not posted.
I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with CP deals and don't understand what the big fuss about it is. Dynasty leagues are allowed to have CP deals, you just have to post it to let others know the details about your deal.
And now from what I'm reading it looks like ccox is willing to trade players back but why? He made a completely legitimate deal but just didn't post it.
CP deals are in all Dynasty leagues.
ccox, I wasn't trying to be rude, I was just merely stating that you guys needed to post and let us all know what just happened here. No big deal...
beaubonhomme
That's where lies all the problem. At some point in the past we kind of agreed on no cp trade. but time has passed, managers have changed in some cases, what do we do now ? True I was pretty harsh on ccox too, my bad i'm sorry about that. Now how do we handle things next time a new player comes here with cp trading in mind ? we fight to keep this league cp trade free or we let go ?
We can't every time enter in a quarrel with someone like we just did. that's not right. and what about all the owners who choose to remain silent this time ? alan ? tneal ? zheric ?
Another thing i want to say, i miss the old Mr Shoe, the one before he left in 1987. I am glad you came back in 1992 but you are more distant and silent now. I think we need back the leadership you had in this league before.
edit: I just took a look last time we had this discussion was in july 2011, with a new member named goldambre
November 18, 2013 at 04:59AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Dowland
It has been consensus in this league to have no CP trades, a part of the game people obviously have mixed feelings about. All players who have joined the league later (including me), have accepted that. When you change that, everyone has to use these trades too or has to live with a disadvantage.
That's where lies all the problem. At some point in the past we kind of agreed on no cp trade. but time has passed, managers have changed in some cases, what do we do now ? True I was pretty harsh on ccox too, my bad i'm sorry about that. Now how do we handle things next time a new player comes here with cp trading in mind ? we fight to keep this league cp trade free or we let go ?
We can't every time enter in a quarrel with someone like we just did. that's not right. and what about all the owners who choose to remain silent this time ? alan ? tneal ? zheric ?
Another thing i want to say, i miss the old Mr Shoe, the one before he left in 1987. I am glad you came back in 1992 but you are more distant and silent now. I think we need back the leadership you had in this league before.
edit: I just took a look last time we had this discussion was in july 2011, with a new member named goldambre
beaubonhomme
after that, once it was clear that 2 managers have decided to go on with their cp trade, i made another comment saying at least tell us what it is. that is where the confusion may come from
And Satyr you are not the one pointed out as rude, it's me and moustique.
November 18, 2013 at 05:08AM View BBCode
Satyr my first complaint was about the idea of a cp trade because several guys in this league have reversed a cp trade in the past ( a loong time ago already) and back in the days we agreed on playing without this strategy.after that, once it was clear that 2 managers have decided to go on with their cp trade, i made another comment saying at least tell us what it is. that is where the confusion may come from
And Satyr you are not the one pointed out as rude, it's me and moustique.
TRINITY731
u2uing ccox to confirm trade back of his two players
November 18, 2013 at 02:53PM View BBCode
I sent the two players back, and with nothing coming back to me until the comets and I come up with a trade option. I have forgotten some rules and what is okay in some leagues and not in another. I was in a league where every trade was considered one-sided, and was really a bad league.u2uing ccox to confirm trade back of his two players
tneal
We are now a no-CP trade league.
The original CP trade has been turned back? Or it has been somewhat reversed? To the satisfaction of the parties involved?
I am willing to say we are now a no-CP league. I also think the fair resolution is to allow the previous CP trade and then say that was the anomaly which created the rule. So, no more after that.
November 18, 2013 at 03:00PM View BBCode
Let me understand this as I am playing catch up from a weekend in the woods.We are now a no-CP trade league.
The original CP trade has been turned back? Or it has been somewhat reversed? To the satisfaction of the parties involved?
I am willing to say we are now a no-CP league. I also think the fair resolution is to allow the previous CP trade and then say that was the anomaly which created the rule. So, no more after that.
TRINITY731
November 18, 2013 at 03:13PM View BBCode
yes the original cp trade is reversed. It appears we are a no cp trade league. I am waiting on ccox for an acceptable trade.
Minions
I support cp trades because to me its a bit odd that players cannot naturally progress if they have a chance at being something, like in real life. I know thats not how things are set up here, and there are leagues that have evenly distributed cps and whatnot, but it is a strategy that can be employed.
Sometimes you end up getting quite a few prospects that may have a chance to be something but you cannot "develop" them because you dont have enough cps.
One example of a real life lending of players in the minors is hockey. I know my home town Rochester Americans have had loaner players before.
Lets get back on topic.
This system isnt perfect. There are players who can abuse the code. Check out the all time single season wins for the EAL
Rank Player Team W Year
1 Jake Sisko Los Angeles Master Batters 60 2004
2 Jake Sisko Los Angeles Master Batters 49 2003
3 Leon Kline New York Champs 30 2003
4 Louis Morgan Philadelphia Phantoms 29 2001
5 John Lennon Boston Troubadours 27 1953
6 Mike Nutter Texas Tornados 27 1997
7 Gene Brown New York Champs 27 1962
8 Rigo Crisp Los Angeles Master Batters 27 2000
9 Jake Sisko Los Angeles Master Batters 26 2002
10 Grant Krug Chicago Bears 26 1963
11 Lave Tiant Kansas City Bite 25 1972
12 Gene Brown New York Champs 25 1960
13 Kurt Brecht Cincinnati Rock & Roll 25 1984
14 Gene Brown New York Champs 25 1961
15 Gene Brown New York Champs 25 1957
16 Judy Muir Detroit Silver Hawks 25 1971
17 Jake Sisko Los Angeles Master Batters 25 2001
18 Tom Araya Cincinnati Rock & Roll 25 1988
19 Rojito Alvarez Texas Tornados 25 1975
20 Harry Cedeno Kansas City Bite 25 1974
A pitching loophole (which they said is now fixed) was employed because the owner said that was the only way his team could win. Was this cheating?
I accept this league is non-cp league. It does make it more challenging, but challenging makes it fun too. Plus I like the fact that each owner here is trying to win for the long term, not pump up a few seasons to win then let the team go defeated and barren. I will be here for the long term as well.
Sorry for going on and on, had a few topics I wanted to express an opinion on. Good Luck Everyone.
November 18, 2013 at 03:41PM View BBCode
I have seen both the good and the bad when it comes to CP trades. I have done quite a few cp trades, but I always send a fringe prospect due to the fact that you cannot trust everyone, but I have also seen guys send 4-5 guys and then turn their teams around somewhat unnaturally. EAL is a bit like this.I support cp trades because to me its a bit odd that players cannot naturally progress if they have a chance at being something, like in real life. I know thats not how things are set up here, and there are leagues that have evenly distributed cps and whatnot, but it is a strategy that can be employed.
Sometimes you end up getting quite a few prospects that may have a chance to be something but you cannot "develop" them because you dont have enough cps.
One example of a real life lending of players in the minors is hockey. I know my home town Rochester Americans have had loaner players before.
Lets get back on topic.
This system isnt perfect. There are players who can abuse the code. Check out the all time single season wins for the EAL
Rank Player Team W Year
1 Jake Sisko Los Angeles Master Batters 60 2004
2 Jake Sisko Los Angeles Master Batters 49 2003
3 Leon Kline New York Champs 30 2003
4 Louis Morgan Philadelphia Phantoms 29 2001
5 John Lennon Boston Troubadours 27 1953
6 Mike Nutter Texas Tornados 27 1997
7 Gene Brown New York Champs 27 1962
8 Rigo Crisp Los Angeles Master Batters 27 2000
9 Jake Sisko Los Angeles Master Batters 26 2002
10 Grant Krug Chicago Bears 26 1963
11 Lave Tiant Kansas City Bite 25 1972
12 Gene Brown New York Champs 25 1960
13 Kurt Brecht Cincinnati Rock & Roll 25 1984
14 Gene Brown New York Champs 25 1961
15 Gene Brown New York Champs 25 1957
16 Judy Muir Detroit Silver Hawks 25 1971
17 Jake Sisko Los Angeles Master Batters 25 2001
18 Tom Araya Cincinnati Rock & Roll 25 1988
19 Rojito Alvarez Texas Tornados 25 1975
20 Harry Cedeno Kansas City Bite 25 1974
A pitching loophole (which they said is now fixed) was employed because the owner said that was the only way his team could win. Was this cheating?
I accept this league is non-cp league. It does make it more challenging, but challenging makes it fun too. Plus I like the fact that each owner here is trying to win for the long term, not pump up a few seasons to win then let the team go defeated and barren. I will be here for the long term as well.
Sorry for going on and on, had a few topics I wanted to express an opinion on. Good Luck Everyone.
beaubonhomme
No one ever did a CP trade between 1950 and 1996 seasons that's not a no-CP trade league to you ?
But I don't feel so good about the deal being reversed as long as we can't do nothing to put an end to this debate once and for all. Next season we can have a new guy making cp trade what if he decide to go on with it whatever we say ? How do we explain ourselves to ccox ?
November 18, 2013 at 03:47PM View BBCode
tneal you take me by surprise, you've been here since the 1966 season, you are one of the oldest player here, you don't remember us having this discussion before ? Last time was in July 2011 when a new player goldambre ask us about our view on cp trading ?No one ever did a CP trade between 1950 and 1996 seasons that's not a no-CP trade league to you ?
But I don't feel so good about the deal being reversed as long as we can't do nothing to put an end to this debate once and for all. Next season we can have a new guy making cp trade what if he decide to go on with it whatever we say ? How do we explain ourselves to ccox ?
beaubonhomme
Don't be sorry, me and moustique have been probably way too much vocal for our own good on this, i'm glad to hear what my fellow leaguer think, everyone's opinion is welcome
November 18, 2013 at 03:54PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Minions
Sorry for going on and on, had a few topics I wanted to express an opinion on. Good Luck Everyone.
Don't be sorry, me and moustique have been probably way too much vocal for our own good on this, i'm glad to hear what my fellow leaguer think, everyone's opinion is welcome
ccox
Jake Sisko was originally on my team. I drafted him. And when I gave up the team the new guy came in and set the preferences to pull the starter as soon he gave up a hit or walk, allowing Sisko to enter as a "reliever" and appear in something like 130 games to exploit a sweet spot in the code to win 60 in 2004. You guys might find it ironic, but I and fellow teammate in that league spearheaded the movement to ban this practice, and admin. changed the code accordingly. [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=365726]Find the debate here.[/url]
This loophole wasn't cheating technically, just an egregious exploitation that nearly everyone agreed needed fixed.
I find CP trading perfectly in line with the spirit of MLB realism as admin. explained earlier, but understand and will honor how many of you guys feel. Beaubonhomme asked what we should do if another person comes in and tries to do a CP trade. Well, I won't help the guy and neither will most of you based on what I've seen so he'll likely reach a dead end. Maybe you could start a thread that says "No CP trades, please" and bump it right before each season starts, to give a friendly warning to new owners?
On a more permanent fix note, Moustique has asked admin. to allow a vote to make this league private so this situation never comes up again. If you like this idea, show your support by letting admin know [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=317996&page=3]after post 53 of Moustique's plea here.[/url] Just pop in, say you're from the league, and would like a chance to vote as well. Admin. does listen if they feel the support is there, although in a Dynasty League I think you have to have 100% approval so it's tough but possible. But if a vote comes up, I'll back you guys if that's what you want.
November 18, 2013 at 05:06PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Minions
This system isnt perfect. There are players who can abuse the code. Check out the all time single season wins for the EAL
1 Jake Sisko Los Angeles Master Batters 60 wins 2004
2 Jake Sisko Los Angeles Master Batters 49 wins 2003
A pitching loophole (which they said is now fixed) was employed because the owner said that was the only way his team could win. Was this cheating?
Jake Sisko was originally on my team. I drafted him. And when I gave up the team the new guy came in and set the preferences to pull the starter as soon he gave up a hit or walk, allowing Sisko to enter as a "reliever" and appear in something like 130 games to exploit a sweet spot in the code to win 60 in 2004. You guys might find it ironic, but I and fellow teammate in that league spearheaded the movement to ban this practice, and admin. changed the code accordingly. [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=365726]Find the debate here.[/url]
This loophole wasn't cheating technically, just an egregious exploitation that nearly everyone agreed needed fixed.
I find CP trading perfectly in line with the spirit of MLB realism as admin. explained earlier, but understand and will honor how many of you guys feel. Beaubonhomme asked what we should do if another person comes in and tries to do a CP trade. Well, I won't help the guy and neither will most of you based on what I've seen so he'll likely reach a dead end. Maybe you could start a thread that says "No CP trades, please" and bump it right before each season starts, to give a friendly warning to new owners?
On a more permanent fix note, Moustique has asked admin. to allow a vote to make this league private so this situation never comes up again. If you like this idea, show your support by letting admin know [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=317996&page=3]after post 53 of Moustique's plea here.[/url] Just pop in, say you're from the league, and would like a chance to vote as well. Admin. does listen if they feel the support is there, although in a Dynasty League I think you have to have 100% approval so it's tough but possible. But if a vote comes up, I'll back you guys if that's what you want.
Dowland
That's a good idea. Making the thread sticky won't be enough because it does not appear on the standings page.
Does this have other consequences for the league as well? I remember dimly having had this discussion some seasons ago.
And a belated welcome to ccox from my side at this point, missed the thread you started to introduce yourself. Besides, we even once had a thread where owners told a bit about themselves ([url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=289030]here[/url]).
Don't forget blackmet. By the way, we will have a vote again this season. Stay tuned!
November 18, 2013 at 06:24PM View BBCode
Originally posted by ccox
Maybe you could start a thread that says "No CP trades, please" and bump it right before each season starts, to give a friendly warning to new owners?
That's a good idea. Making the thread sticky won't be enough because it does not appear on the standings page.
Originally posted by ccox
On a more permanent fix note, Moustique has asked admin. to allow a vote to make this league private so this situation never comes up again.
Does this have other consequences for the league as well? I remember dimly having had this discussion some seasons ago.
And a belated welcome to ccox from my side at this point, missed the thread you started to introduce yourself. Besides, we even once had a thread where owners told a bit about themselves ([url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=289030]here[/url]).
Originally posted by moustique
Dowland with all the work you did to build us a our Hall Of Fame.
Don't forget blackmet. By the way, we will have a vote again this season. Stay tuned!
moustique
also yes some time ago we did seriously think about the possibility to form a private league or turn this one into a private league. I remember asking around to ppl in this league and Brownshoe showed me all the information Tyson was requiring. He was asking a lot of things
November 18, 2013 at 06:56PM View BBCode
Yes you, blackmet and I think at some point Alan was working hard on it too. It took us a while to get a HOF but once you guys took the torch you did an amazing job.also yes some time ago we did seriously think about the possibility to form a private league or turn this one into a private league. I remember asking around to ppl in this league and Brownshoe showed me all the information Tyson was requiring. He was asking a lot of things
moustique
I'm sorry about my behavior, CP trade just drive me crazy. Yes we can have fun together most of the time i'm not that bad of a person :-)
November 18, 2013 at 07:03PM View BBCode
Originally posted by ccox
You know that's the first time you've actually spoken to me like a human being. Now. If I do this, can we all digitally shake hands and have fun in this league together?
I'm sorry about my behavior, CP trade just drive me crazy. Yes we can have fun together most of the time i'm not that bad of a person :-)
ccox
November 18, 2013 at 07:24PM View BBCode
Ha ha we're cool. And sorry if I seemed to be throwing up a middle finger to the league. Hope to see you in the World Series in a few seasons.Pages: 1 2