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KCLV
The closer should be brought in when the team is winning or TIED, not just winning.
Otherwise, the closer does not see the field in a tie game, and I feel that most people want their best pitcher in when the game is tied as well as winning.
Or just have a separate TIED option. I'm tired of losing close/tied playoff games when my set up guy gives up a run in the ninth inning of a tied game, while my closer watches.
ESPECIALLY during playoffs, I want the closer to enter a tied game in the late innings.
Please
Fix Manager Preferences Bullpen use
November 09, 2012 at 07:50PM View BBCode
Please relocate the 'TIED' option to the 'when my team is winning', rather then 'when my team is losing'.The closer should be brought in when the team is winning or TIED, not just winning.
Otherwise, the closer does not see the field in a tie game, and I feel that most people want their best pitcher in when the game is tied as well as winning.
Or just have a separate TIED option. I'm tired of losing close/tied playoff games when my set up guy gives up a run in the ninth inning of a tied game, while my closer watches.
ESPECIALLY during playoffs, I want the closer to enter a tied game in the late innings.
Please
dirtdevil
November 09, 2012 at 07:59PM View BBCode
generally that depends on whether you're the home or road team, does it not?
KCLV
So if it is 3-3 in the 8th or 9th inning for instance , your closer will not enter the game. It will be the pitcher you use when you are behind by one or more runs.
November 10, 2012 at 12:06AM View BBCode
I don't think so. Any time the game is tied, the choice of pitcher to be used is connected to the 'when you are losing' preference.So if it is 3-3 in the 8th or 9th inning for instance , your closer will not enter the game. It will be the pitcher you use when you are behind by one or more runs.
jchoopz
If you want to efficiently use your bullpen you shouldn't be using a closer at all. I'm not trying to sound like an ass here, I promise, but I can't help but chuckle at a complaint of the game ineffectively using closers.
[Edited on 11-16-2012 by jchoopz]
November 16, 2012 at 02:42PM View BBCode
Or you could just not restrict your best player to only when you are winning games late in the first place ;)If you want to efficiently use your bullpen you shouldn't be using a closer at all. I'm not trying to sound like an ass here, I promise, but I can't help but chuckle at a complaint of the game ineffectively using closers.
[Edited on 11-16-2012 by jchoopz]
dirtdevil
different people use their bullpens in different ways. everyone should have the ability to do so optimally.
November 16, 2012 at 03:29PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jchoopz
Or you could just not restrict your best player to only when you are winning games late in the first place ;)
If you want to efficiently use your bullpen you shouldn't be using a closer at all. I'm not trying to sound like an ass here, I promise, but I can't help but chuckle at a complaint of the game ineffectively using closers.
different people use their bullpens in different ways. everyone should have the ability to do so optimally.
dirtdevil
sorry, i guess i wasn't clear. that is how it works. but what i'm saying is that if you're using a traditional closer role whether you use him in a tied game generally depends on if you're at home or on the road. most often managers are reluctant to use a closer in a tied road game in case they need him to close should they score in the top of the next inning.
November 16, 2012 at 03:32PM View BBCode
Originally posted by KCLV
I don't think so. Any time the game is tied, the choice of pitcher to be used is connected to the 'when you are losing' preference.
So if it is 3-3 in the 8th or 9th inning for instance , your closer will not enter the game. It will be the pitcher you use when you are behind by one or more runs.
sorry, i guess i wasn't clear. that is how it works. but what i'm saying is that if you're using a traditional closer role whether you use him in a tied game generally depends on if you're at home or on the road. most often managers are reluctant to use a closer in a tied road game in case they need him to close should they score in the top of the next inning.
jchoopz
But what if some people don't want to use their closers in a tie game? Then they don't get to use their bullpen "optimally." By relocating the tied section you don't add any control anywhere.
November 16, 2012 at 04:59PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by jchoopz
Or you could just not restrict your best player to only when you are winning games late in the first place ;)
If you want to efficiently use your bullpen you shouldn't be using a closer at all. I'm not trying to sound like an ass here, I promise, but I can't help but chuckle at a complaint of the game ineffectively using closers.
different people use their bullpens in different ways. everyone should have the ability to do so optimally.
But what if some people don't want to use their closers in a tie game? Then they don't get to use their bullpen "optimally." By relocating the tied section you don't add any control anywhere.
dirtdevil
November 16, 2012 at 05:54PM View BBCode
it's not my suggestion, so i don't really think i'm the one to best explain it. but as that wasn't your objection in the first place (ie, closers are dumb), i don't really see it's relevant to my response to your orignal comment.
KCLV
I'm not really trying to build saves, so the home team/away team issue isn't something that I really consider dirtdevil.
In the simplest terms that I can explain my feeling.....I want to use my best pitcher when the game is tied or I have a small lead. I'll use my next best pitcher if I am losing by a small margin, so I can keep it close.
The 'tied' game setting is connected to the 'losing' setting, so in the playoffs in a tied game in the late innings, my 2nd best pitcher is entering the game, whereas I would want my 'closer' 'best pitcher' to enter the game. I would like the 'tied option' to be connected to the 'winning option', or have the 'tied option' be by itself.
I'm not sure how you would maximize your bullpen by not using your best pitcher, as jc seemed to suggest.
Am I saying this right,??, I dunno....
November 20, 2012 at 05:41AM View BBCode
First, thanks for the responses. I don't use the traditional closer. I like to use my best pitchers. I'm not sure what jchoopz is saying.I'm not really trying to build saves, so the home team/away team issue isn't something that I really consider dirtdevil.
In the simplest terms that I can explain my feeling.....I want to use my best pitcher when the game is tied or I have a small lead. I'll use my next best pitcher if I am losing by a small margin, so I can keep it close.
The 'tied' game setting is connected to the 'losing' setting, so in the playoffs in a tied game in the late innings, my 2nd best pitcher is entering the game, whereas I would want my 'closer' 'best pitcher' to enter the game. I would like the 'tied option' to be connected to the 'winning option', or have the 'tied option' be by itself.
I'm not sure how you would maximize your bullpen by not using your best pitcher, as jc seemed to suggest.
Am I saying this right,??, I dunno....
tm4559
folks vary the runs option on the set of boxes there where the order of the pitchers is to regulate the situation, that is, to bring in their best pitcher in a losing situation, that is, each owner has an idea or an expectation of what he thinks his team can come back from.
really and truly, the only time the closer option really plays well is games where the team has a big lead, and then mop up relievers come on and give a lot of it back.
without the closer option, sometime these relievers won't ever reach their condition to be replaced (it depends on what you have it on, sometimes when we have relievers coming that we like, we don't want them pulled, we want them to pitch until they tire, if they get rocked, its just bad luck, they can stay out there and absorb it and save the other pitchers in the pen for another time).
because you have to put the conditions at the top (the effectiveness conditions or whatever) for all the pitchers (starters and relievers) instead of having the option to customize it for each pitcher, the settings are something of a compromise.
anyway, if you use the closer option, there are times when those mop up relievers give up almost all of the lead, and the closer option sends out the closer and maybe it stops the bleeding and the team wins (this, for me personally, is the only situation where i think the closer option is a worthwhile strategy. in general, i don't like the closer option because it tends to limit the innings of a good pitcher, and i have found the best way to draw out wins, from the pitching side, is to get the most innings to the best pitchers. sometimes there will be relievers that pitch more innings than the fourth and fifth starter combined).
sometimes things just won't work out for you, the team loses when it should win or whatever (this is not really relevant to the suggestion), sometimes in real life a game just gets away from a manager too. the players determine the outcome, along with luck, good and bad.
as far as the suggestion goes, i think its harmless. if folks want to use the closer option, they should be able to customize it, and break the connection between tied and losing, if that is what they want.
[Edited on 11-20-2012 by tm4559]
November 20, 2012 at 03:04PM View BBCode
it is something of a problem the way the closer option is set up. the easiest way to really get the pitchers you want in there (the best pitchers) is to turn it off (the closer option) and just bring them on like you want them.folks vary the runs option on the set of boxes there where the order of the pitchers is to regulate the situation, that is, to bring in their best pitcher in a losing situation, that is, each owner has an idea or an expectation of what he thinks his team can come back from.
really and truly, the only time the closer option really plays well is games where the team has a big lead, and then mop up relievers come on and give a lot of it back.
without the closer option, sometime these relievers won't ever reach their condition to be replaced (it depends on what you have it on, sometimes when we have relievers coming that we like, we don't want them pulled, we want them to pitch until they tire, if they get rocked, its just bad luck, they can stay out there and absorb it and save the other pitchers in the pen for another time).
because you have to put the conditions at the top (the effectiveness conditions or whatever) for all the pitchers (starters and relievers) instead of having the option to customize it for each pitcher, the settings are something of a compromise.
anyway, if you use the closer option, there are times when those mop up relievers give up almost all of the lead, and the closer option sends out the closer and maybe it stops the bleeding and the team wins (this, for me personally, is the only situation where i think the closer option is a worthwhile strategy. in general, i don't like the closer option because it tends to limit the innings of a good pitcher, and i have found the best way to draw out wins, from the pitching side, is to get the most innings to the best pitchers. sometimes there will be relievers that pitch more innings than the fourth and fifth starter combined).
sometimes things just won't work out for you, the team loses when it should win or whatever (this is not really relevant to the suggestion), sometimes in real life a game just gets away from a manager too. the players determine the outcome, along with luck, good and bad.
as far as the suggestion goes, i think its harmless. if folks want to use the closer option, they should be able to customize it, and break the connection between tied and losing, if that is what they want.
[Edited on 11-20-2012 by tm4559]
tm4559
someone could also make the case we could extend this to seventh and eighth inning pitchers and all that, and of course the double switch and all that stuff should be in there too. i am glad i don't have to program it or figure out how to program it.
on my own end, i just get around it by establishing, if you will, a sort of rotation of relievers, the order set up in the boxes, the number of runs behind or ahead and the green bars determine which reliever comes in. my way shouldn't be the only way though, even if it is best, which it may or may not be.
folks have the option to use the closer. so, they should be able to optimize it, within reason.
November 20, 2012 at 03:17PM View BBCode
i would add, that is we are trying to simulate how modern baseball is played, then we should let folks customize, on a high level, how they use their closer. this would include not using it tied on the road and all that sort of thing, if that was what they wanted, not using it when it has appeared x number of games in a row, etc.someone could also make the case we could extend this to seventh and eighth inning pitchers and all that, and of course the double switch and all that stuff should be in there too. i am glad i don't have to program it or figure out how to program it.
on my own end, i just get around it by establishing, if you will, a sort of rotation of relievers, the order set up in the boxes, the number of runs behind or ahead and the green bars determine which reliever comes in. my way shouldn't be the only way though, even if it is best, which it may or may not be.
folks have the option to use the closer. so, they should be able to optimize it, within reason.
jchoopz
I just don't necessarily feel that attaching the tied option to winning instead of losing is any enhancement. Some people would prefer it on one side, some would prefer it on the other. I think it is just work that create no net gain anywhere.
November 20, 2012 at 05:30PM View BBCode
I would be ok with having a tied option separate all by itself. It adds more control, and I'm pretty much ok with any pitching settings that add more control, because I currently think we don't have near enough (I could go on for pages with suggestions here).I just don't necessarily feel that attaching the tied option to winning instead of losing is any enhancement. Some people would prefer it on one side, some would prefer it on the other. I think it is just work that create no net gain anywhere.
Kingturtle
November 20, 2012 at 06:43PM View BBCode
By the way, KCLV is the all-time SimDynasty leader in Championship Percentage (http://simdynasty.com/ownerleaders.jsp?stat=champpct&display=20&submit=Go)...AND HE'S STILL LOOKING for gaining advantages!! :)
KCLV
I agree with ya tm, there is no perfection and it does work alright. Nothing will be perfect. I guess the best solution is to have the 'tied option' by itself, like jc said. Probably more work than anyone is interested, so I'll just crawl back in my hole.....ha
November 21, 2012 at 04:52AM View BBCode
I'm just an old timer looking to make it go the way I want. haha.I agree with ya tm, there is no perfection and it does work alright. Nothing will be perfect. I guess the best solution is to have the 'tied option' by itself, like jc said. Probably more work than anyone is interested, so I'll just crawl back in my hole.....ha
Kingturtle
November 21, 2012 at 03:12PM View BBCode
KC! I was just kidding around. Your competitive spirit is a boon to this site. I support your suggestion.
KCLV
ahh-no problem at all. Happy Thanksgiving!
November 22, 2012 at 05:58AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Kingturtle
KC! I was just kidding around. Your competitive spirit is a boon to this site. I support your suggestion.
ahh-no problem at all. Happy Thanksgiving!
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