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RynosTopDawgs
[Edited on 5-3-2012 by RynosTopDawgs]
Not a fan of tanking.......
May 03, 2012 at 09:53PM View BBCode
As San Francisco has decided to do. I'm just sayin'[Edited on 5-3-2012 by RynosTopDawgs]
husker48
Good luck to all
P.S. make me an offer I can't refuse then.....I never say NEVER
P.S. P.S.......And Ryno?, do you even have a team in this league?? Didn't see you in the league info.
[Edited on 5-4-2012 by husker48]
[Edited on 5-4-2012 by husker48]
May 04, 2012 at 02:04AM View BBCode
Nobody said a word when I took this team,with a roster that couldn't compete at a double A level, now when I get a chance to land a few players, ....... You get my drift......I'm not posting this to have a discussion and it will be my last post on it. I paid,I'll play my team to get to the top.Good luck to all
P.S. make me an offer I can't refuse then.....I never say NEVER
P.S. P.S.......And Ryno?, do you even have a team in this league?? Didn't see you in the league info.
[Edited on 5-4-2012 by husker48]
[Edited on 5-4-2012 by husker48]
husker48
Good luck to all
May 04, 2012 at 02:07AM View BBCode
Nobody said a word when I took this team,with a roster that couldn't compete at a double A level, now when I get a chance to land a few players, ....... You get my drift......I'm not posting this to have a discussion and it will be my last post on it. I paid,I'll play my team to get to the top.Good luck to all
Seawolves
May 04, 2012 at 02:16AM View BBCode
Teams can do whatever they want. Looks like the bottom 3 teams are all trying to pick up the number 1 pick in the draft. More wins for the rest of us :)
GhostofKong
I wouldn't be mad at SF or any of the other teams in the bottom tier that are resting regulars, they're now competing for that #1 pick. And if that #1 pick is a difference maker like Shuster is, and you aim to be a winner in the long haul, you would be foolish not to. Again, it's rebuilding. You're sacrificing short term for long term gain.
I think directing the ire at any of the teams in their position is misplaced, don't you? Don't you think it is more about a system that is so clearly geared towards competitive imbalance? Do I like the concept of tanking? No, not at all. But in all of my Dynasty League seasons I rarely see league-wide parity. Usually a Dynasty League season plays out like a cake of disappointment; competitive teams clearly the icing on top, and everyone else the cake below. Hypothetically, if there are 3 or 4 teams fighting it out in the AL, that usually means there is depleted talent in the NL. Because of hard draft positions and development cycles, talent moves in waves through the Dynasty Leagues.
If we want to end tanking in Dynasty Leagues, the draft should be a lottery. The biggest losers should have highest chance of winning the #1, but nothing should be assured. I think that would prevent much of what is perceived as tanking.
I'm in a Salary League and there is 0 tanking. Why? Not because the guys are more noble, but because you are incentivized to always compete. There are no CP's, so everyone in your minors develops at the same rate. So there are more, better players. Then Prestige score plays into free agent signing, so if your team is a perennial loser, players are way less likely to sign with you. And if they do, you have to spend way more. Likewise, no one is incentivized to lose for the draft because all players because free agents after they are OS28.
My point is, it's not about owners being better or worse people, it's about a system that erases tanking as a competitive measure.
Pardon the long post.
May 04, 2012 at 02:31AM View BBCode
I don't think anyone should be mad at eachother about tanking in Dynasty Leagues. Don't you feel like the game play in Dynasty Leagues is structured in a way that it indirectly supports tanking? If not, why would anyone rebuild? Rebuilding is tanking, you're selling off veterans for prospects and willingly putting your team in a losing position in the short term for long term gain. So why is it any different in this circumstance?I wouldn't be mad at SF or any of the other teams in the bottom tier that are resting regulars, they're now competing for that #1 pick. And if that #1 pick is a difference maker like Shuster is, and you aim to be a winner in the long haul, you would be foolish not to. Again, it's rebuilding. You're sacrificing short term for long term gain.
I think directing the ire at any of the teams in their position is misplaced, don't you? Don't you think it is more about a system that is so clearly geared towards competitive imbalance? Do I like the concept of tanking? No, not at all. But in all of my Dynasty League seasons I rarely see league-wide parity. Usually a Dynasty League season plays out like a cake of disappointment; competitive teams clearly the icing on top, and everyone else the cake below. Hypothetically, if there are 3 or 4 teams fighting it out in the AL, that usually means there is depleted talent in the NL. Because of hard draft positions and development cycles, talent moves in waves through the Dynasty Leagues.
If we want to end tanking in Dynasty Leagues, the draft should be a lottery. The biggest losers should have highest chance of winning the #1, but nothing should be assured. I think that would prevent much of what is perceived as tanking.
I'm in a Salary League and there is 0 tanking. Why? Not because the guys are more noble, but because you are incentivized to always compete. There are no CP's, so everyone in your minors develops at the same rate. So there are more, better players. Then Prestige score plays into free agent signing, so if your team is a perennial loser, players are way less likely to sign with you. And if they do, you have to spend way more. Likewise, no one is incentivized to lose for the draft because all players because free agents after they are OS28.
My point is, it's not about owners being better or worse people, it's about a system that erases tanking as a competitive measure.
Pardon the long post.
kaliayev
PS, was that last sentence a run-on?:puzzled:
[Edited on 5-4-2012 by kaliayev]
May 04, 2012 at 07:09AM View BBCode
Tanking/rebuilding, whatever you want to call it does suck. But as Steve says it's an unfortunate part of SDL. I've been playing this game for nearly a decade now (time flies) and it has always been the most controversial aspect. A number of rule changes have been put into place to try and at least curb "tanking". Some have worked better than others and some were complete flops. But the bottom line is until there is a master overhaul in the rules, which I think will never come to SDL, if you want to be competitive at some point your going to have to swallow the pill and go down the rabbit hole.PS, was that last sentence a run-on?:puzzled:
[Edited on 5-4-2012 by kaliayev]
Seawolves
But, the bottom line is, until there is a master overhaul in the rules, which I think will never come to SDL, if you want to be competitive at some point you?re going to have to swallow the pill and go down the rabbit hole.
May 04, 2012 at 08:24PM View BBCode
Originally posted by kaliayev
Tanking/rebuilding, whatever you want to call it does suck. But as Steve says it's an unfortunate part of SDL. I've been playing this game for nearly a decade now (time flies) and it has always been the most controversial aspect. A number of rule changes have been put into place to try and at least curb "tanking". Some have worked better than others and some were complete flops. But the bottom line is until there is a master overhaul in the rules, which I think will never come to SDL, if you want to be competitive at some point your going to have to swallow the pill and go down the rabbit hole.
PS, was that last sentence a run-on?:puzzled:
[Edited on 5-4-2012 by kaliayev]
But, the bottom line is, until there is a master overhaul in the rules, which I think will never come to SDL, if you want to be competitive at some point you?re going to have to swallow the pill and go down the rabbit hole.
Lawman23
May 04, 2012 at 08:37PM View BBCode
Yes I am in this league. I have been managing the Cubs for 16 seasons now. I just have 2 different ID's I have ALL of my teams under this ID , but I sometimes post under Rynostopdawgs. A few years ago ( real time ) when they combined all your teams under one ID , somehow I kept both.
mc2019569
May 04, 2012 at 09:25PM View BBCode
I'm not a fan of tanking either, but I didn't pay for his team. So he can do whatever he wants with it. And to tell you the truth, I don't have a problem with him sitting his top 2 SP. They are close to pitching 200 innings and I have always heard and been told to keep your younger SP under 200 innings for health purposes. Like I said, I don't care for tanking either, have I done it? Yes! And if I had a chance to get that STUD in the draft, I'd probably not play to hard to win either!! :)
TRINITY731
May 04, 2012 at 10:47PM View BBCode
Hey fellows. I am one of the teams in the bottom. I am use to it but tanning is mott one of them. I have been here since day one this is my first team and I will not give up. I look at myself as the st Louis browns praying for 1944. Lil. I do rest some older players to see if any younger players are viable replacements. Plus when we trade older players for picks or younger players that is not yanking it is rebuilding or building
TRINITY731
May 04, 2012 at 10:50PM View BBCode
I did mean tanking not yanking, which a completely different subject :lol:
nodaka
May 05, 2012 at 03:09AM View BBCode
Never did understand the difference between tanking and rebuilding- if you can't win with your older players what are you to do? You either rebuild or lose interest and drop out. That is just the way it works!!
kaliayev
Ah, what Freud would say about that!
May 05, 2012 at 04:06PM View BBCode
Originally posted by TRINITY731
I did mean tanking not yanking, which a completely different subject :lol:
Ah, what Freud would say about that!
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