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tysonlowery
I don't have the stats listed anywhere else. I really screwed up this time.
We can continue with the beta seasons, but some players won't have past stats. Or we can start from scratch. My New Year's resolution is to finish some of the enhancements that have been talked about for way too long. I would like to restart the beta league after I get some of these enhancements in place (minor league games, player position switches, wild card playoff teams).
But let me know what you guys think. I think most of the older guys had their stats wiped out, but there were quite a few that got deleted.
You guys are going to kill me
December 31, 2002 at 07:17PM View BBCode
I accidently wiped out most of the batter stats for the beta league while resetting the Main site today.I don't have the stats listed anywhere else. I really screwed up this time.
We can continue with the beta seasons, but some players won't have past stats. Or we can start from scratch. My New Year's resolution is to finish some of the enhancements that have been talked about for way too long. I would like to restart the beta league after I get some of these enhancements in place (minor league games, player position switches, wild card playoff teams).
But let me know what you guys think. I think most of the older guys had their stats wiped out, but there were quite a few that got deleted.
Bob
While losing the past stats is sad, it doesn't really impact the types of things we are trying to learn. Therefore, my vote is to just press on with the current league.
December 31, 2002 at 07:36PM View BBCode
I think we should probably just continue until some of the new enhancements are in place. Starting from scratch to test those new features would makes sense.While losing the past stats is sad, it doesn't really impact the types of things we are trying to learn. Therefore, my vote is to just press on with the current league.
hcboomer
Seriously, though, I think at this point we have pretty much exhausted what we can accomplish with this league. I think it's worth continuing with this one until the enhancements are ready, since we are still learning some little things here and there. But the sooner we can get a restart going with the enhancements, the better.
Let's face it -- we've all grown so attached to this league and this set of players and the history that has been built up that we would have hated killing it whenever the time came, even though we'd have to at some point. So this just kind of forces the issue. Hey, didn't the first beta league end with a similar snafu (I think it was wildly accelerated improvements that couldn't be taken back)?
December 31, 2002 at 07:55PM View BBCode
Don't know if this has been noticed yet, but this has also made quite a mess of the old all-star lists (and I presume the old leaders lists, although I haven't checked those). Oh well, now we'll never know just how incredible Ray Aesop's stats might have been.Seriously, though, I think at this point we have pretty much exhausted what we can accomplish with this league. I think it's worth continuing with this one until the enhancements are ready, since we are still learning some little things here and there. But the sooner we can get a restart going with the enhancements, the better.
Let's face it -- we've all grown so attached to this league and this set of players and the history that has been built up that we would have hated killing it whenever the time came, even though we'd have to at some point. So this just kind of forces the issue. Hey, didn't the first beta league end with a similar snafu (I think it was wildly accelerated improvements that couldn't be taken back)?
geoffrey13
carry on!
December 31, 2002 at 08:36PM View BBCode
I'd hate to stop with this league...a shame about the stats but oh well....(try backing stuff up sometimes!!) ;o)
FiveToolPlayer
December 31, 2002 at 08:52PM View BBCode
I don't really mind if we restart the league but if everyone wants to keep going as is until the new enhancements are in place, that's cool with me.
tysonlowery
BTW, I almost always back up the main site before doing anything of consequence, but I don't always do this for the beta site.
December 31, 2002 at 10:11PM View BBCode
Let me think it over for a few days, I think its probably a good idea to continue until I have some big changes ready to test.BTW, I almost always back up the main site before doing anything of consequence, but I don't always do this for the beta site.
jer2911
And about restarting the league, I would definitely say wait until the other changes are done. While career and old stats are nice, most of what we "need" we already have on the thread that Bob has been doing, "What is Improving More...". Also, I think this year is the year that my painful rebuilding process finally pays off and Rick is knocked off the top of the NL. (Besides, 63 has always been my favorite number, long before I started playing Sim Dynasty, so it would be pretty cool I "win my first WS" this year... hehehe;))
December 31, 2002 at 10:30PM View BBCode
Tyson, the only way I can think of that you can redeem yourself is by running the draft and offseason sometime in the next hour and a half. (Before I have to leave for work.:D) Because otherwise, I have a friend that knows some of those guys with the white violin cases...;).And about restarting the league, I would definitely say wait until the other changes are done. While career and old stats are nice, most of what we "need" we already have on the thread that Bob has been doing, "What is Improving More...". Also, I think this year is the year that my painful rebuilding process finally pays off and Rick is knocked off the top of the NL. (Besides, 63 has always been my favorite number, long before I started playing Sim Dynasty, so it would be pretty cool I "win my first WS" this year... hehehe;))
jer2911
December 31, 2002 at 10:34PM View BBCode
Oh, sorry, I just saw the other post saying the draft would be on the 2nd. Looks like my buddies can put their "violins" away... for the moment.
rickoshea
2) Tyson- Doh! Don't worry about us. We'll deal with it. I'll bet it was a painful enough realization for you, without worrying about our reaction..
3) I'm curious about how the lost stats will affect player improvement... If players who saw action this year won't see any improvement, that would affect the normal development cycle... I agree with not restarting the league until you're ready with new changes, but depending on how many players are affected, this could render some of the current study a bit inaccurate...
Just my 20 centavos...
December 31, 2002 at 10:38PM View BBCode
1) There goes Brad, counting them there chickens before they've hatched :)2) Tyson- Doh! Don't worry about us. We'll deal with it. I'll bet it was a painful enough realization for you, without worrying about our reaction..
3) I'm curious about how the lost stats will affect player improvement... If players who saw action this year won't see any improvement, that would affect the normal development cycle... I agree with not restarting the league until you're ready with new changes, but depending on how many players are affected, this could render some of the current study a bit inaccurate...
Just my 20 centavos...
tysonlowery
One solution is to simply not run this module this time around. Players won't improve or decline, it would kind of be like replaying the last season.
January 01, 2003 at 01:17AM View BBCode
Didn't think about player improvement stuff. If I just run the offseason without doing any modifications, many players will retire because they didn't have stats from last year and players won't improve if they didn't have stats last year.One solution is to simply not run this module this time around. Players won't improve or decline, it would kind of be like replaying the last season.
hcboomer
January 01, 2003 at 02:38AM View BBCode
Seems like that would be the only way to go. Better to not have the improvements/declines for a year than to have good veterans retiring en masse.
geoffrey13
I don't like the idea myself...seeing as I have some younger players still who need to improve for my team to get better...of course I also don't want to lose guys to retirement either.
It does seem to have only affected older players, and no pitcher that I've seen have lost their stats at all. Wouldn't the older players with no stats at all be "new" to the game and therefore not retire? if someone like Willie Wells did retire, could he be resurrected?
Duh
January 01, 2003 at 04:03AM View BBCode
Funny that KC would be happy to replay last season! Of course they are...they won!!!! ;o)I don't like the idea myself...seeing as I have some younger players still who need to improve for my team to get better...of course I also don't want to lose guys to retirement either.
It does seem to have only affected older players, and no pitcher that I've seen have lost their stats at all. Wouldn't the older players with no stats at all be "new" to the game and therefore not retire? if someone like Willie Wells did retire, could he be resurrected?
geoffrey13
Lost data thoughts
January 01, 2003 at 09:36AM View BBCode
Are the lost stats really lost for good or can they be saved somehow? I believe that nothing is ever totally deleted, and you do have your own server going...there are ways of resurrecting old data. It would be such a shame to lose the 13 seasons invested in this league already...I was one of the people who would have wanted this league to switch to a Dynasty league if/when the new Beta changes were ready to be made.
tysonlowery
January 01, 2003 at 06:40PM View BBCode
Let me see what I have when I get home tomorrow. I think that I *might* have stats from a few seasons ago, but last seasons stats are lost for sure because they aren't backed up anywhere.
geoffrey13
nothing is lost for sure
January 01, 2003 at 10:04PM View BBCode
there are utilities out there that can scan a hard drive and save lost data...a friend of mine had a drive failure but was able to save all his data with one of them
jer2911
I'm not sure if this idea has any merit to it at all, but I figured I throw it out there anyway... What would happen if we just replayed the '62 season? I'm not even sure its possible, but it seems to be the best all around solution for everybody. It wouldn't have to take two weeks either, you could just run it in "hyper" mode over the course of maybe... 4 days. (Or even all at once if you wanted). That way, the development curves of the players would not be messed up.
January 02, 2003 at 02:31AM View BBCode
So, everyone would age, but no one would improve or decline? That seems to favor only teams that are on there way down, (a minority) and go against rebuilding teams, (the majority). (And yes, "Duh", Geoffrey, I would say that mostly because I am one of the rebuilding teams.)I'm not sure if this idea has any merit to it at all, but I figured I throw it out there anyway... What would happen if we just replayed the '62 season? I'm not even sure its possible, but it seems to be the best all around solution for everybody. It wouldn't have to take two weeks either, you could just run it in "hyper" mode over the course of maybe... 4 days. (Or even all at once if you wanted). That way, the development curves of the players would not be messed up.
celamantia
--Chris
January 02, 2003 at 02:53AM View BBCode
I'm only missing stats for a handful of people... why don't we run the offseason as normal and let the chips fall were they may?--Chris
hcboomer
Bottom line here is that any approach won't be ideal, and we're pretty much biding time until a new beta league is ready to restart. And this is a test league. So the idea, it seems, would be to go the route that is the least disruptive overall. The point about "replaying" the '62 season makes sense if there was a way to ratchet everyone's age back a year -- that way I guess you'd have the least impact on the development curves.
I'm OK with whatever approach is taken, but I would strongly discourage a normal offseason if you'd end up wiping out so many veterans.
January 02, 2003 at 06:03AM View BBCode
If I'm understanding the process correctly, though, pretty much everyone in the decline years would retire because it would appear as if none of them played at all last year. Seems like that's a far more damaging and counterproductive way to go than simply delaying the normal development curves by a year.Bottom line here is that any approach won't be ideal, and we're pretty much biding time until a new beta league is ready to restart. And this is a test league. So the idea, it seems, would be to go the route that is the least disruptive overall. The point about "replaying" the '62 season makes sense if there was a way to ratchet everyone's age back a year -- that way I guess you'd have the least impact on the development curves.
I'm OK with whatever approach is taken, but I would strongly discourage a normal offseason if you'd end up wiping out so many veterans.
Bob
The best thing to do is to pick the option that causes the least impact. If every player over 33 will retire if we run the off-season normally, then we shouldn't go that route. However, if only a small number of older players lost their stats from last season, then it's probably better to let them retire so that younger players improve normally.
The real question is how many players lost their stats for last season. If it's a large number, than we shouldn't run the aging/improvement/retirement module. If it's not a large number, then we should run it normally.
On my team, it looks like only one player lost his stats. Since I'm a young team, though, it may not be representative. It would help if a few owners with older teams would look at their stats and let us know how many players lost their data.
January 02, 2003 at 12:49PM View BBCode
Obviously there's no perfect solution to this and some teams are going to be short-changed no matter what we do. Of course since it's a beta league, nobody should complain regardless of how it shakes out.The best thing to do is to pick the option that causes the least impact. If every player over 33 will retire if we run the off-season normally, then we shouldn't go that route. However, if only a small number of older players lost their stats from last season, then it's probably better to let them retire so that younger players improve normally.
The real question is how many players lost their stats for last season. If it's a large number, than we shouldn't run the aging/improvement/retirement module. If it's not a large number, then we should run it normally.
On my team, it looks like only one player lost his stats. Since I'm a young team, though, it may not be representative. It would help if a few owners with older teams would look at their stats and let us know how many players lost their data.
knoxville
January 02, 2003 at 01:23PM View BBCode
i lost stats on three that i noticed, i didnt check them all. i lost stats on harry biancalana, ted bowlin and brody quint. personally id rather not lose these 3 guys, but whatever is decided as the best thing for the league, ill go along with it. :)
celamantia
For my team, delaying a year of development would be FAR more crippling than losing some veterans... that's a year under 27 none of these guys are going to get back, unless Tyson's also going to roll everyone's birthday forward a year...
--Chris
January 02, 2003 at 01:48PM View BBCode
Some of my verterans still have stats...For my team, delaying a year of development would be FAR more crippling than losing some veterans... that's a year under 27 none of these guys are going to get back, unless Tyson's also going to roll everyone's birthday forward a year...
--Chris
hcboomer
January 02, 2003 at 02:16PM View BBCode
Eight players have lost all their stats on the Steamroller. Looks like basically everyone 30 and older.
celamantia
As a fix, why not just run a mass insert that gives everyone with no stats 130 games, 500 AB, 110 hits, 20 runs, 15 doubles, 2 triples, 5 HR, 25 RBI, 40 walks, 80 strikeouts, 8 SB, 5 CS, 5 errors. This won't give anyone incredible stats, but should keep them from retiring too early...
January 02, 2003 at 02:38PM View BBCode
Tyson,As a fix, why not just run a mass insert that gives everyone with no stats 130 games, 500 AB, 110 hits, 20 runs, 15 doubles, 2 triples, 5 HR, 25 RBI, 40 walks, 80 strikeouts, 8 SB, 5 CS, 5 errors. This won't give anyone incredible stats, but should keep them from retiring too early...
FiveToolPlayer
January 02, 2003 at 02:42PM View BBCode
Looks like I had 4 or 5 guys who lost their stats. All were older players.
jer2911
January 02, 2003 at 03:18PM View BBCode
Great idea Bob. I lost stats for Mickey Cochrane (27), Joe Pierson (31), Joe Tinker (29), Bill Wells (30), Duane Barr (29), and Tommy Poole (28). It is probably worth noting that the only player that the loss of stats will affect is Mickey Cochrane, who will lose his final year of improvement. So its not that big a loss for my team, but I was kinda hoping to get that last year of improvement in for him. Also, something else worth noting is that it seems only position players have been affected. So this would mean that Bob's "Improving More?" thread would kinda go out of business if all (or even most) of the position players over 33 retired, since it would probably skew in favor of pitching for a long time.