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tysonlowery
Any pitcher 34 years old and older will lose 3 health points for pitching 200 IP.
RP 27 and younger will lose 3 health points for going over 100 IP.
A SP 27 and younger will lose 3 health points for going over 200 IP.
Pitcher Health Penalties
May 06, 2004 at 07:55PM View BBCode
I removed one of the RP Pitcher health penalties. Here are the current penalties going forward:Any pitcher 34 years old and older will lose 3 health points for pitching 200 IP.
RP 27 and younger will lose 3 health points for going over 100 IP.
A SP 27 and younger will lose 3 health points for going over 200 IP.
gmclaws
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=1119854
June 01, 2004 at 11:30PM View BBCode
I can understand the reasoning for health penalties for pitchers. But what if you are trying to convert a RP to a SP. I have a pitcher who is 19 that I am converting this season and then will send back to the minors until he is 22 or 23. Don't see where you can convert a RP to a SP in the minor league or would of left him there.http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=1119854
RSS
If all players suffer a slight decline in health after age 34, that would reflect the realities of aging. But I don't know of many pitchers in their 30s who damaged their arms from pitching a lot. If they make it that far, and they can pitch that much, they've got a great arm.
June 01, 2004 at 11:36PM View BBCode
I don't agree with penalizing a 34-year-old pitcher for going over 200 IP. If anything, he's proving that he doesn't have health problems.If all players suffer a slight decline in health after age 34, that would reflect the realities of aging. But I don't know of many pitchers in their 30s who damaged their arms from pitching a lot. If they make it that far, and they can pitch that much, they've got a great arm.
poppabeta
Poppabeta
June 02, 2004 at 01:38AM View BBCode
Although this may be a little more realistic, unless there is more impact on the game it really won't change anything or maybe it won't even be noticed. No matter what their health pitchers just don't get injuried very often in SD. Maybe a better way would be to have some approximate percentage associated with health (similar to those associated with pitcher improvements) that would give you an idea to keep in the back of your mind that as the health of your pitchers decreases there is a measurable increase in the probability that an injury will occur and have it actually happen.Poppabeta
hcboomer
June 02, 2004 at 04:01PM View BBCode
Poppabeta's right. Until the injury system itself is fixed tweaking pitchers' health ratings is irrelevant because they rarely get hurt. Does anyone even LOOK at a pitcher's health?
thejoe914
why not make it... since pitchers play less games they have a higher chance of getting injured (maybe 5 times higher since they normally play once every five games, and pitching injuries would also have to be related to the number of innings each pitcher pitches, this would keep relievers from getting injured all the time cause they pitch every day)
June 02, 2004 at 04:37PM View BBCode
injuries to pitchers should be changed... why not make it something like the minor league system for improvements, it goes since position players have more categories, they improve more often, and since pitchers have less categories they improve less....why not make it... since pitchers play less games they have a higher chance of getting injured (maybe 5 times higher since they normally play once every five games, and pitching injuries would also have to be related to the number of innings each pitcher pitches, this would keep relievers from getting injured all the time cause they pitch every day)
jer2911
June 02, 2004 at 04:40PM View BBCode
I do check the ratings... but... if faced with the choice of a D+/A+/A+ F Health pitcher vs. a D+/A/A A Health pitcher, I would always choose the A+ pitcher.
thejoe
1. they were out so long
or
2. they could re-injure it
June 02, 2004 at 05:13PM View BBCode
how about... maybe there being an increase health penaty for pitchers who have been injured say... either 20 games or more. When they come back from the injury they are at risk of losing more health because:1. they were out so long
or
2. they could re-injure it
gmclaws
June 03, 2004 at 02:30AM View BBCode
Right now it seems that the advice I keep getting is to draft young and pitch my young pitchers as many innings as I can. This way I have the better chance for improvement. Maybe we need to have a code that doesn't allow any improvements for pitchers who are pitching in the majors until after they turn 24. Put this in with the health penalties and more injuries for pitchers with C and below health. Then owners would be more inclined to keep their young pitchers in the minors. And not put so much emphasis in drafting youth.
hcboomer
June 03, 2004 at 06:42PM View BBCode
As long as there is a cap of some sort on the maximum amount of improvement chances a pitcher can get, who really cares if these guys are accumulating large inning totals anyway? The health penalties really strike me as pointless -- not a negative, but not improving anything either.
gmclaws
June 04, 2004 at 01:32AM View BBCode
As long as we have the overinflating of ratings of young pitchers they will continue to overpitch them in the majors. There is no way a pitcher at 19 should be an A-. Maybe a rating of a C with lots of room to work with vel and con. That way people would be more inclined to leave them in the minors where they belong and bring more realistic settings to the game.
poppabeta
D+ A A+
Obliviously, a baseball prodigy he even has a B rating in Health.
The pool also include 3 B and 3B- pitchers all of which are prime candidates for over use.
These youngsters will all probably never see any minor league play and will be over pitched in the majors and have their health go down but unlike reality will see few if any injuries. This continues to be a significant area in need of change in SD.
Poppa
June 04, 2004 at 02:37AM View BBCode
The new Gagne has appeared in the amateur draft pool that just came up in the Orlando Cepeda AA league - He's just 17 and he's got an A rating.D+ A A+
Obliviously, a baseball prodigy he even has a B rating in Health.
The pool also include 3 B and 3B- pitchers all of which are prime candidates for over use.
These youngsters will all probably never see any minor league play and will be over pitched in the majors and have their health go down but unlike reality will see few if any injuries. This continues to be a significant area in need of change in SD.
Poppa
gmclaws
June 06, 2004 at 03:57AM View BBCode
I agree, something needs to be done. Even though there are those that claim that some prodigies existed like Whitey Ford, he didn't start in the majors until he was 21. There have been a lot of suggestions including age shift which could work. Hopefully something will be done in the near future.
gmclaws
June 06, 2004 at 12:23PM View BBCode
In our league I see a lot of young pitchers who already have bad health, for example a 21 year old with D+ health. To counter this and still use the pitcher the owner is rotating his pitchers between the minors and the majors creating a 10 man rotation. Thereby giving his pitchers improvement opportunities in both the majors and the minors. So there are still some loopholes that people have found to beat the system and have a roster of predominantly young studs.
gmclaws
June 06, 2004 at 12:27PM View BBCode
If the best pitcher on your team is a 19 year old stud then you would be stupid not to use him to help your team. So as long as the talent of these young players are overinflated then someone will find a loophole to use them. Health penalties sometimes may look like a fix but there is still ways around it. I've seen more pitcher injuries in out league and some pretty drastic ones but even with that with the pitching levels that we have it is worth the injury to use the best pitchers that we have. Especially when you have a A- pitcher with A vel and B+ con. Not much improvement he can get in the minors.
jer2911
Are you 100% sure this is working? This loophole was supposed to be closed some time ago. Pitchers who are not fully rested should not be eligible for improvement in the minors.
June 07, 2004 at 01:25AM View BBCode
Originally posted by gmclaws
The owner is rotating his pitchers between the minors and the majors creating a 10 man rotation. Thereby giving his pitchers improvement opportunities in both the majors and the minors. So there are still some loopholes that people have found to beat the system and have a roster of predominantly young studs.
Are you 100% sure this is working? This loophole was supposed to be closed some time ago. Pitchers who are not fully rested should not be eligible for improvement in the minors.
gmclaws
June 07, 2004 at 11:52AM View BBCode
He has a lot of young pitching prospects with bad health. So to counter this and get them innings and improvements he is moving them back and forth between the majors and minors using a 10 man rotation. Seems to be working for him and keeps him from overpitching his young arms. Don't know how his improvements are working. But is a sound strategy around the health penalty issue while still loading up on all the young talent.
BleedRed
June 07, 2004 at 05:36PM View BBCode
A ten man rotation may avoid health penalties, but it will hurt overall improvements. Even with 10 decent prospects, they will be only getting half of their major league improvements and miss almost all of their minor league chances. Then, even if they all get lucky, you don't dominate the league 10-15 decent pitchers- you dominate by developing 5-8 awesome pitchers. I doubt the 10 man rotation truly will beat the system, at best it will keep up with a standard rotation while there is a good chance this fun and creative attempt will (as it would in real life) be self-destructive.
gmclaws
June 09, 2004 at 01:47AM View BBCode
Then in the long run he is being penalized by having so many prospects with bad health. Don't agree with young kids with D+ health. Let alone having 3 of them on the same team. Limits his options as a manager.
gmclaws
June 09, 2004 at 01:51AM View BBCode
The top 3 pitchers for Philadelphi As in 1950 were 26 (246 IP), 25 (225.3 IP), and 24 (214.7 IP). So when do we come up with a system that everyone can agree with and is fair for all?
gmclaws
June 09, 2004 at 02:35AM View BBCode
In our league we have 42 young pitchers with D health or worse. What happens when these pitchers reach F health and still continue to receive health penalties? Some of these pitchers are the best pitchers in the league.Pages: 1