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Pierzynski
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1950s Robot wrote:
"My guy Erickson is better than Satchell."
Now THAT is funny.
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If we look at both:
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=8870156
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9022115
Actually, Erickson and Satchell could end up exactly the same. The only thing holding Satchell back is his D Health. Erickson is A- health, so he will get a lot more at bats in his developing years, which can get him more CPs. As well, Erickson is B/A vs. Righties, which means that he will get to B+/A+ or A-/A+, whereas Satchell will max out at B- or B contact vs. Righties.
Cause the other thread looks closed
September 16, 2011 at 11:10PM View BBCode
I think Tyson shut down our other thread, so I'll make a new one (that of course doesn't discuss trades!)---------------------
1950s Robot wrote:
"My guy Erickson is better than Satchell."
Now THAT is funny.
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If we look at both:
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=8870156
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9022115
Actually, Erickson and Satchell could end up exactly the same. The only thing holding Satchell back is his D Health. Erickson is A- health, so he will get a lot more at bats in his developing years, which can get him more CPs. As well, Erickson is B/A vs. Righties, which means that he will get to B+/A+ or A-/A+, whereas Satchell will max out at B- or B contact vs. Righties.
1950srobot
Erickson was drafted at 20, June birthdate. Churry was drafted at 18 with a Nov birthdate. You're telling me Churry is going to develop less contact than Erickson with more CPs applied, then proceed to imply Erickson is better based on, what?
By the way, so you're aware, Churry isn't my player. He belongs to another, alas, but he'll hit more HRs, drive in more runs, and score more runs with D health than Erickson will at his peak.
Churry could be brought up right now and probably out-produce Erickson this season.
But Erickson is a good player. I hate that DeepThreat made the comparison, but there you go. I like Erickson, but Churry is something special. In any League.
September 16, 2011 at 11:59PM View BBCode
Churry is going to hit 35 HRs every year until he's dead. Erickson's going to be very good, but not that good.Erickson was drafted at 20, June birthdate. Churry was drafted at 18 with a Nov birthdate. You're telling me Churry is going to develop less contact than Erickson with more CPs applied, then proceed to imply Erickson is better based on, what?
By the way, so you're aware, Churry isn't my player. He belongs to another, alas, but he'll hit more HRs, drive in more runs, and score more runs with D health than Erickson will at his peak.
Churry could be brought up right now and probably out-produce Erickson this season.
But Erickson is a good player. I hate that DeepThreat made the comparison, but there you go. I like Erickson, but Churry is something special. In any League.
1950srobot
It's a fantasy. A+ speed is great if you're an owner who needs to steal bases all the time. I'm not one of those owners.
If a player has Churry's power, he doesn't need speed. And yet Churry has B+ speed.
A+ health vs D health. Hokay. That's 160 games for Erickson, who will hit at his peak .280-.300/20/100/30.
130 games for Churry, batting .250-.280/30+/120/10. Something along those lines. That's probably conservative, but he might not be as strong against LHP.
Depends on the context too. If BAL turns out to be as dominant as Deep keeps telling us it is, Erickson might be an MVP at least once in his career.
But Churry has the advantage of raw power (RH anyway), and he might even hit .300 against RHP. He's a lock for multiple MVPs, barring something weird like injuries. You can put Churry on my MIN team and he's good for 15 more total wins right now. Erickson can't do that, nor will he ever do that.
September 17, 2011 at 12:09AM View BBCode
Ah, the old "A+ speed/poor health" argument. I forgot about this old saw.It's a fantasy. A+ speed is great if you're an owner who needs to steal bases all the time. I'm not one of those owners.
If a player has Churry's power, he doesn't need speed. And yet Churry has B+ speed.
A+ health vs D health. Hokay. That's 160 games for Erickson, who will hit at his peak .280-.300/20/100/30.
130 games for Churry, batting .250-.280/30+/120/10. Something along those lines. That's probably conservative, but he might not be as strong against LHP.
Depends on the context too. If BAL turns out to be as dominant as Deep keeps telling us it is, Erickson might be an MVP at least once in his career.
But Churry has the advantage of raw power (RH anyway), and he might even hit .300 against RHP. He's a lock for multiple MVPs, barring something weird like injuries. You can put Churry on my MIN team and he's good for 15 more total wins right now. Erickson can't do that, nor will he ever do that.
DeepThreat
Erickson is at the same almost exact levels right now as Rahl was at his age. We all saw what Rahl did. Erickson will probably max out overall as an A-/A+, B+/A+ hitter with A - A+ speed and an A- health.
Churry already sits with A+power V righties, with 4 converted ICs. He already held A+ when he was drafted. This means he'll max out within the next 5 converted ICs. One thing I have noticed, once a player seemingly maxes out one batting stat... he begins to fail at around 75% in the other stats. If this is more than just a mere observation, Churry is doomed for any major improving. He sits with a C+/A+, C-/A rating. Even if the maxing out of his PvR rating doesn't slow down his progress... you're looking at a hitter with a B+/A+, B/A+ overall with A- speed... and a D- health. This kid is going to spend a lot of time on the DL, and only get into about 130 games a year when not injured.
And Robot... the fact that Churry's birth date is in November does not save him. He is still a year older OS, and that is what the improvements go by... not current age.
As for outproducing this year... you have to be able to hit. Churry's sub B contact ratings mean he'll be crap with maybe .230 BA while striking out 130 times a year. He won't hit as many HR as you think, for he'll strike out and pop out way too often. Trust me... I've had a few C+/A+, B-/A+ guys that turned out to be crap. all you have to do is look at your guy Johnson, Robot. C+/A+, C/A, A- speed D+ health to see what Churry would do this year if he were called up, minus a slight reduction in stats due to being new.
Oh, and speaking of exciting prospects... how about that [url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=8699719]Sam Moss[/url] guy drafted the year before Erickson? Drafted the same year and my Humphries... and two other knockout prospects in between.
I will agree that this league doesn't produce a ton of "blow the doors down" prospects in the draft. However, it does generally produce at least 20 highly valuable prospects. Most other leagues I've been in do not. Once you get past the first round, it's usually very slim pickings. Here, outside of that one out of five bad draft class, you can almost always get a potential All Star in the 1st round, and a solid player overall in the 2nd... no matter where your pick lies.
[Edited on 9-17-2011 by DeepThreat]
September 17, 2011 at 12:57AM View BBCode
In all actuality, that extra bump in contact, plus the extra games played throughout their careers gives Erickson a big edge. I've seen so many guys come up with big power ratings (which Erickson is close to equal with at the moment btw) but low contact that fizzle out. Hell, I've had 3 in this league. You can't put up huge HR numbers if you can't make contact with the ball.Erickson is at the same almost exact levels right now as Rahl was at his age. We all saw what Rahl did. Erickson will probably max out overall as an A-/A+, B+/A+ hitter with A - A+ speed and an A- health.
Churry already sits with A+power V righties, with 4 converted ICs. He already held A+ when he was drafted. This means he'll max out within the next 5 converted ICs. One thing I have noticed, once a player seemingly maxes out one batting stat... he begins to fail at around 75% in the other stats. If this is more than just a mere observation, Churry is doomed for any major improving. He sits with a C+/A+, C-/A rating. Even if the maxing out of his PvR rating doesn't slow down his progress... you're looking at a hitter with a B+/A+, B/A+ overall with A- speed... and a D- health. This kid is going to spend a lot of time on the DL, and only get into about 130 games a year when not injured.
And Robot... the fact that Churry's birth date is in November does not save him. He is still a year older OS, and that is what the improvements go by... not current age.
As for outproducing this year... you have to be able to hit. Churry's sub B contact ratings mean he'll be crap with maybe .230 BA while striking out 130 times a year. He won't hit as many HR as you think, for he'll strike out and pop out way too often. Trust me... I've had a few C+/A+, B-/A+ guys that turned out to be crap. all you have to do is look at your guy Johnson, Robot. C+/A+, C/A, A- speed D+ health to see what Churry would do this year if he were called up, minus a slight reduction in stats due to being new.
Oh, and speaking of exciting prospects... how about that [url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=8699719]Sam Moss[/url] guy drafted the year before Erickson? Drafted the same year and my Humphries... and two other knockout prospects in between.
I will agree that this league doesn't produce a ton of "blow the doors down" prospects in the draft. However, it does generally produce at least 20 highly valuable prospects. Most other leagues I've been in do not. Once you get past the first round, it's usually very slim pickings. Here, outside of that one out of five bad draft class, you can almost always get a potential All Star in the 1st round, and a solid player overall in the 2nd... no matter where your pick lies.
[Edited on 9-17-2011 by DeepThreat]
DeepThreat
I think you're WAY underestimating what a guy with A-/A+, B+/A+ ratings will do. Last year, Humphries (A/B+, A/A-.. A health) hit .291 with 25 HR. Art Nieger (B+/A-, B-/B+) hit .275 with 20 HR. I'm expecting Erickson to be a 30/30 kind of guy (if he doesn't end up behind the slow Humphries most of his career) at least a couple of times. I also expect him to hit around the ,290-.300 range with 30 HR.
I'd project Churry as being a .270 hitter with around 30 HR. He could break out and put up 40+ HR for a couple of years... but so could Erickson. Overall, what makes Erickson better is the fact that he will have better contact ratings and play more games... thus giving him more chances to put up better numbers. But I do suspect that Churry will be one hell of a player. I also think that Sam Moss will have a better career than either of them.
September 17, 2011 at 01:31AM View BBCode
When did I say my team was dominant? Will it be? evntually, yes. Right now... I don't have the pitching and too many still improving youngsters. But I have the general skeleton of a future competitor.I think you're WAY underestimating what a guy with A-/A+, B+/A+ ratings will do. Last year, Humphries (A/B+, A/A-.. A health) hit .291 with 25 HR. Art Nieger (B+/A-, B-/B+) hit .275 with 20 HR. I'm expecting Erickson to be a 30/30 kind of guy (if he doesn't end up behind the slow Humphries most of his career) at least a couple of times. I also expect him to hit around the ,290-.300 range with 30 HR.
I'd project Churry as being a .270 hitter with around 30 HR. He could break out and put up 40+ HR for a couple of years... but so could Erickson. Overall, what makes Erickson better is the fact that he will have better contact ratings and play more games... thus giving him more chances to put up better numbers. But I do suspect that Churry will be one hell of a player. I also think that Sam Moss will have a better career than either of them.
Pierzynski
And the reason why I brought up health here is I generally fall into the "low health whatever" category, but along these lines: Pitchers it doesn't matter. Mickey Elias has been F health his whole career, and he's won a ton of Cy Youngs. But with hitters, I find that I can't rely on them unless they are into C health or above. And when I refer to Churry's health, I mean that he gets less at bats when he hits the major leagues, as opposed to Erickson, who can get up to 50-55 improves with a lot of mentoring.
Rather than debating the possible future stats of these guys, why don't we just watch them. If we are all in the league still when these two are around OS28, then let's look at them. I think it would be kinda cool to see the progress.
September 17, 2011 at 07:04PM View BBCode
Robot, I wouldn't call Churry something special. He is a future All-Star and possibly HR champ, but special? I see these guys often in a lot of my leagues.And the reason why I brought up health here is I generally fall into the "low health whatever" category, but along these lines: Pitchers it doesn't matter. Mickey Elias has been F health his whole career, and he's won a ton of Cy Youngs. But with hitters, I find that I can't rely on them unless they are into C health or above. And when I refer to Churry's health, I mean that he gets less at bats when he hits the major leagues, as opposed to Erickson, who can get up to 50-55 improves with a lot of mentoring.
Rather than debating the possible future stats of these guys, why don't we just watch them. If we are all in the league still when these two are around OS28, then let's look at them. I think it would be kinda cool to see the progress.
1950srobot
Erickson will be around twice as long, with better HR/RBI totals, probably at least as many rings.
September 25, 2011 at 07:52PM View BBCode
No chance Moss has a better career than Erickson, imo. Moss is already OS 29.Erickson will be around twice as long, with better HR/RBI totals, probably at least as many rings.
Pierzynski
September 25, 2011 at 09:47PM View BBCode
No, I meant the guy you are toting: Churry vs. Erickson
1950srobot
Which is, respectfully, untrue imo, but I specified Erickson while removing the unrelated prospect from the equation.
In Churry's case, I'll agree: I haven't seen what his kind of splits at his age develop into, and long-standing owners have. I'm figuring Churry is going to become a monster, but then I'm reminded that the splits have a tendancy to be "too good" at a young age, stifling development.
I don't know why that would be, but apparently it is. Another argument in Churry being brought up to the Majors even at 19, if he's simply not going to translate CPs into the kind of improves another type of split would. If that makes sense.
September 25, 2011 at 10:40PM View BBCode
No, BAL made mention he believed Moss would have a "better career than either of them" (Erickson/Churry).Which is, respectfully, untrue imo, but I specified Erickson while removing the unrelated prospect from the equation.
In Churry's case, I'll agree: I haven't seen what his kind of splits at his age develop into, and long-standing owners have. I'm figuring Churry is going to become a monster, but then I'm reminded that the splits have a tendancy to be "too good" at a young age, stifling development.
I don't know why that would be, but apparently it is. Another argument in Churry being brought up to the Majors even at 19, if he's simply not going to translate CPs into the kind of improves another type of split would. If that makes sense.
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