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Hamilton2
.............................................FS................................................
...............SS..............................................................................
............................................ILB................................................
.......................SOLB.............................WOLB...........................
RCB..........................RE...RDT..LDT...LE...............................LCB
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SE.............................LT..LG..C..RG..RT..TE.................................
................FL........................QB.................................................
............................................FB.................................................
............................................HB.................................................
And have each position with a little button on it so that it links to that particular depth chart. You could even put the position.
Depth Chart in Formation Format
December 02, 2010 at 04:01AM View BBCode
Chris, for the team depth chart page, would it be possible to do a positional diagram instead of just the links? For instance:.............................................FS................................................
...............SS..............................................................................
............................................ILB................................................
.......................SOLB.............................WOLB...........................
RCB..........................RE...RDT..LDT...LE...............................LCB
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SE.............................LT..LG..C..RG..RT..TE.................................
................FL........................QB.................................................
............................................FB.................................................
............................................HB.................................................
And have each position with a little button on it so that it links to that particular depth chart. You could even put the position.
celamantia
To do this, I have to extract the code that fills formations from the main game code. I don't think I can do that without taking all the Team code with it. But once I do I can populate the sample chart with players in exactly the same way the game does so you will see exactly how your changes will affect the formations. But I have to fix some of the more basic issues like kicoffs and such first.
So in short, yes, this is coming for sure.
--Chris
December 02, 2010 at 04:55AM View BBCode
That is how I intend it to end up, but I have to rearrange some code before I can do it. Conce I do, I can put in the interface to set up specific formations.To do this, I have to extract the code that fills formations from the main game code. I don't think I can do that without taking all the Team code with it. But once I do I can populate the sample chart with players in exactly the same way the game does so you will see exactly how your changes will affect the formations. But I have to fix some of the more basic issues like kicoffs and such first.
So in short, yes, this is coming for sure.
--Chris
celamantia
December 02, 2010 at 07:11AM View BBCode
I really need to rework the whole interface for navigating depth charts, but I'm holding off on it until some of the more functional areas are fixed.
Hamilton2
December 02, 2010 at 03:34PM View BBCode
I would love to see this enhancement on the baseball side as well, with a layout of our stadium and each position's "depth chart" listed on the field at each position. This would be more user-intuitive than the backups vs. R/L pages.
celamantia
I actually worked on that once, but never got anywhere with it. I like anything that gives things a more graphical "feel" without compromising the interface to start requiring JavaScript. (JavaScript makes a lot of things easier or more intuitive but so far every page can be navigated without it, if it's not enabled.)
December 02, 2010 at 03:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Hamilton2
I would love to see this enhancement on the baseball side as well, with a layout of our stadium and each position's "depth chart" listed on the field at each position. This would be more user-intuitive than the backups vs. R/L pages.
I actually worked on that once, but never got anywhere with it. I like anything that gives things a more graphical "feel" without compromising the interface to start requiring JavaScript. (JavaScript makes a lot of things easier or more intuitive but so far every page can be navigated without it, if it's not enabled.)
CCondardo
Clicking any position helmet would change the bottom drop down screen. It would be done in frames so the page never has to really reload. The bottom part would adjust as you click different positions. You could click the formations to set specific formation players.
I think that would be very easy to use, of course maybe not to program, but it would be sweet to use!
~Corey
This?
December 02, 2010 at 08:06PM View BBCode
This is what I had in mind...Clicking any position helmet would change the bottom drop down screen. It would be done in frames so the page never has to really reload. The bottom part would adjust as you click different positions. You could click the formations to set specific formation players.
I think that would be very easy to use, of course maybe not to program, but it would be sweet to use!
~Corey
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jetpac
I think you're really limiting yourself here. The vast majority of internet users have Javascript enabled, and it can add so much in usability. For those few that don't have it, maybe put an option on the edit profile page for the bare-bones look?
December 02, 2010 at 08:21PM View BBCode
Originally posted by celamantia
Originally posted by Hamilton2
I would love to see this enhancement on the baseball side as well, with a layout of our stadium and each position's "depth chart" listed on the field at each position. This would be more user-intuitive than the backups vs. R/L pages.
I actually worked on that once, but never got anywhere with it. I like anything that gives things a more graphical "feel" without compromising the interface to start requiring JavaScript. (JavaScript makes a lot of things easier or more intuitive but so far every page can be navigated without it, if it's not enabled.)
I think you're really limiting yourself here. The vast majority of internet users have Javascript enabled, and it can add so much in usability. For those few that don't have it, maybe put an option on the edit profile page for the bare-bones look?
celamantia
We do use a lot of JavaScript, but there is always a non-JavaScript way to do things to. For example, on the Depth Chart you can use drag and drop or you can set all the depth positions manually. DynastyVision is all JavaScript but you can choose to get a plain box score.
But it is limiting in many ways, I agree.
December 02, 2010 at 09:06PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jetpac
I think you're really limiting yourself here. The vast majority of internet users have Javascript enabled, and it can add so much in usability. For those few that don't have it, maybe put an option on the edit profile page for the bare-bones look?
We do use a lot of JavaScript, but there is always a non-JavaScript way to do things to. For example, on the Depth Chart you can use drag and drop or you can set all the depth positions manually. DynastyVision is all JavaScript but you can choose to get a plain box score.
But it is limiting in many ways, I agree.
celamantia
--Chris
December 06, 2010 at 01:45PM View BBCode
I don't have the ability to edit formation depth charts yet, but you can at least preview formations now as they will be filled by your depth charts on the Depth Chart page. If you hover over the icon to the left of the player's name, you'll see which chart he came from. This is a first cut, suggestions are welcome.--Chris
celamantia
indicates that the player came from one of the "specific" charts (i.e. LCB and RCB) and 
indicates that the player came off one of the "parent" charts (in this case, CB). When we have charts for specific formations, you will see 
and 
to indicate players came from those charts.
indicates that no player was available from a chart for that role and the system had to use the Best Available player it could find.
I'll put a key on the screen for the next rev of the page.
[Edited on 12-6-2010 by celamantia]
December 06, 2010 at 06:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jetpac
what's the difference between
indicates that the player came from one of the "specific" charts (i.e. LCB and RCB) and indicates that the player came off one of the "parent" charts (in this case, CB). When we have charts for specific formations, you will see and to indicate players came from those charts.
indicates that no player was available from a chart for that role and the system had to use the Best Available player it could find.
I'll put a key on the screen for the next rev of the page.
[Edited on 12-6-2010 by celamantia]
jetpac
December 06, 2010 at 07:05PM View BBCode
Ahh, that explains it. I was confused, because for certain positions (like QB) there only is a specific depth chart.
The_Old_Bear
Just my opinion but the way I remember it when I coached. Has been a long time though so maybe things have changed.
December 07, 2010 at 07:59AM View BBCode
Just a curious but when I played we looke at the defense and offense left and right sides as the same. It was as you looked at them on the formation page. So left and right should be the same for defense and offesne. However you want to do it but it makes it a lot simpler when making matchups to have them on the same sides.Just my opinion but the way I remember it when I coached. Has been a long time though so maybe things have changed.
celamantia
December 07, 2010 at 03:18PM View BBCode
The defense is being displayed "mirrored"; I'll fix it.
celamantia
December 07, 2010 at 04:33PM View BBCode
Hmm, maybe it wasn't mirrored. I've changed it so the LOS for the offense is at the top of the page and the LOS for the defense is at the bottom to make it easier to see how things really are. So left and right is from the point of view of each team, same as the diagram Hamilton posted.Pages: 1