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happy
well other than the pitching, my team sorta sucks. Last year he led the league in innings and ERA and went 13-12
Career 3.15 ERA with losing record
March 24, 2010 at 01:34PM View BBCode
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=6916222well other than the pitching, my team sorta sucks. Last year he led the league in innings and ERA and went 13-12
shep1582
March 24, 2010 at 06:54PM View BBCode
eliminate 2019 when his WHIP was 1.39, and he's 48-43.
tworoosters
Your team is over 100 games below .500 in the four years he's been a regular, that's more than sorta sucks .
I find nothing unusual about a good starting pitcher being below .500 on a team that has failed to win more than 68 games in any season .
March 24, 2010 at 07:36PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
well other than the pitching, my team sorta sucks.
Your team is over 100 games below .500 in the four years he's been a regular, that's more than sorta sucks .
I find nothing unusual about a good starting pitcher being below .500 on a team that has failed to win more than 68 games in any season .
shep1582
his winning % is way better then the team's during his years on the big club.
Nolan Ryan, 1987.
March 24, 2010 at 08:27PM View BBCode
good point, tr.his winning % is way better then the team's during his years on the big club.
Nolan Ryan, 1987.
tm4559
meet the latest GNL ROY masterpiece.
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=6652724
March 24, 2010 at 09:01PM View BBCode
winning percentage huh?meet the latest GNL ROY masterpiece.
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=6652724
tm4559
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=6474979
March 24, 2010 at 09:03PM View BBCode
this one had a better winning percentage though. its easy for the fourth starter.http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=6474979
tm4559
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=6910968
you know why that is? because you're a dumb. that pitcher isn't very good. a little bit better than the a+/c+ one. but...not....much. true story.
March 24, 2010 at 09:10PM View BBCode
the thing about you is, you find it totally easy to take if a thing like this puts up similar numbershttp://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=6910968
you know why that is? because you're a dumb. that pitcher isn't very good. a little bit better than the a+/c+ one. but...not....much. true story.
shep1582
those C+ ctrl guys you have put up some semi decent stats because 10 of the 16 teams are constantly tanking.
I've never seen such morbidly horrible teams run by experienced owners.
nice try, though.
March 24, 2010 at 10:08PM View BBCode
nope.those C+ ctrl guys you have put up some semi decent stats because 10 of the 16 teams are constantly tanking.
I've never seen such morbidly horrible teams run by experienced owners.
nice try, though.
tm4559
like, i don't know, this one for example:
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=6551186
that is a pitcher from the other playoff team. the two (that one and allen, for example, pitch against the same teams. the other playoff team has an offense almost equal to the one on my team (.835 ops as opposed to .842).
ross pitched the equivilant of 27 9 inning games.
allen pitched the equivilant of 21 9 inning games.
k/9=6.5 (Ross)
k/9=6.5 (Allen)
probably a little suprising to you. but most folks know control pitchers are not really known for the strikeout, and velocity pitchers are.
of course the low control pitcher walks more hitters, because of its low control and because of the high velocity.
bb/9=3 (ross)
bb/9=3.86 (allen)
it might surprise you, though, that the difference is LESS THAN ONE WALK per 9 inning game. i bet you thought it would be more between an A- overall pitcher with A control and a b+ overall pitcher with C+ control. it is quite awesome, no?
we know control is more important than velocity, tyson has said as much. but we DON'T know how much MORE important, do we (tyson has never said how much)? getting at the how much, that is the part that requires thought, and not just pulling out truisms that might not have as much basis in fact as we think they do (the tanking thing, for instance).
how about the hits though?
hits/9=9 (Ross)
hits/9=8.4 (Allen)
now, i bet that does suprise you, greatly.
many folks have never thought of this one. but the weakness of control pitchers is, giving up the hit. and hits, in the sim, are more damaging than walks (although there is little stretching, from first to third or whatever, there IS some stretching). you cannot stretch to third from first when the next batter gets walked. the double play always remains in order, and in the case of two consectutive walks, the lead runner is always on second, where with two hits, or a walk and then a hit, the lead runner may be on third. or scored, on a double, which is, of course, a hit.
(also, there is one thing missing here. we have begged for it, but can't get it. Home runs allowed by the pitcher. i am not going to go through game logs, but i suspect, the A+/C+ pitcher doesn't give up more home runs per 9 than the B+/A pitcher.)
[Edited on 3-25-2010 by tm4559]
March 25, 2010 at 01:28PM View BBCode
your statement fails to account for why more talented pitchers (in the same division) do not put up greatly better stats. but you already know that, right?like, i don't know, this one for example:
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=6551186
that is a pitcher from the other playoff team. the two (that one and allen, for example, pitch against the same teams. the other playoff team has an offense almost equal to the one on my team (.835 ops as opposed to .842).
ross pitched the equivilant of 27 9 inning games.
allen pitched the equivilant of 21 9 inning games.
k/9=6.5 (Ross)
k/9=6.5 (Allen)
probably a little suprising to you. but most folks know control pitchers are not really known for the strikeout, and velocity pitchers are.
of course the low control pitcher walks more hitters, because of its low control and because of the high velocity.
bb/9=3 (ross)
bb/9=3.86 (allen)
it might surprise you, though, that the difference is LESS THAN ONE WALK per 9 inning game. i bet you thought it would be more between an A- overall pitcher with A control and a b+ overall pitcher with C+ control. it is quite awesome, no?
we know control is more important than velocity, tyson has said as much. but we DON'T know how much MORE important, do we (tyson has never said how much)? getting at the how much, that is the part that requires thought, and not just pulling out truisms that might not have as much basis in fact as we think they do (the tanking thing, for instance).
how about the hits though?
hits/9=9 (Ross)
hits/9=8.4 (Allen)
now, i bet that does suprise you, greatly.
many folks have never thought of this one. but the weakness of control pitchers is, giving up the hit. and hits, in the sim, are more damaging than walks (although there is little stretching, from first to third or whatever, there IS some stretching). you cannot stretch to third from first when the next batter gets walked. the double play always remains in order, and in the case of two consectutive walks, the lead runner is always on second, where with two hits, or a walk and then a hit, the lead runner may be on third. or scored, on a double, which is, of course, a hit.
(also, there is one thing missing here. we have begged for it, but can't get it. Home runs allowed by the pitcher. i am not going to go through game logs, but i suspect, the A+/C+ pitcher doesn't give up more home runs per 9 than the B+/A pitcher.)
[Edited on 3-25-2010 by tm4559]
shep1582
you have set the record for most words about "fake players in one post to prove a point to someone who doesn't care and didn't ask".
I've tried all kinds of pitchers in the Sim, dad, and almost all of them are the suck unless they are the awesome. There is very little gray area, it's "suck or don't suck".
here's an arbitrary pitcher you can wet your pants about:
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=6934575
he flies in the face of your rant. here's a guy on the same team:
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=6310885
he is the suck. why? I do not know and neither do you. It's all luck, plain and simple. stop pretending like you have this figured out in scientific terms.
because... you... do... not.
thanks for playing.
March 25, 2010 at 03:02PM View BBCode
congratulations.you have set the record for most words about "fake players in one post to prove a point to someone who doesn't care and didn't ask".
I've tried all kinds of pitchers in the Sim, dad, and almost all of them are the suck unless they are the awesome. There is very little gray area, it's "suck or don't suck".
here's an arbitrary pitcher you can wet your pants about:
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=6934575
he flies in the face of your rant. here's a guy on the same team:
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=6310885
he is the suck. why? I do not know and neither do you. It's all luck, plain and simple. stop pretending like you have this figured out in scientific terms.
because... you... do... not.
thanks for playing.
tm4559
also, i am not trying to say i have anything figured out. i just can't afford to buy the so-called good pitchers, that is all. so some folks attempt to make do with what they can get.
the big thing, really, about a+/c+ pitcher is, they cover a wide range also. there can be a lot of difference in the grades. a lot of what we see with a+/c+ pitcher is improvers, some of them low in the grades, on bad teams. folks give up on them. one that is high in the grades (close to 100 on the velocity, close to b- on the control) could be a quite different animal. everything might not be as simple as you make it.
March 25, 2010 at 03:10PM View BBCode
its not a rant. what is your problem? everybody knows the role of the luck.also, i am not trying to say i have anything figured out. i just can't afford to buy the so-called good pitchers, that is all. so some folks attempt to make do with what they can get.
the big thing, really, about a+/c+ pitcher is, they cover a wide range also. there can be a lot of difference in the grades. a lot of what we see with a+/c+ pitcher is improvers, some of them low in the grades, on bad teams. folks give up on them. one that is high in the grades (close to 100 on the velocity, close to b- on the control) could be a quite different animal. everything might not be as simple as you make it.
shep1582
then you basically said I'm a myopic owner who doesn't understand how pitching works in the sim.
then, you repeat the phrase "surprise me" several times, as if I didn't think things through. I love you like a lecherous uncle, but that doesn't mean you can talk down to me and not get a reaction.
all because I didn't stick around in the league where most of the owners I thought would be in the league were leaving, and there were 4-5 good teams and lots of tanking going on. I apologized for bolting, but it just wasn't what I wanted to spend my money on.
now, come sit on my lap and tell me what you want for your birfday.
March 25, 2010 at 03:31PM View BBCode
first you called me dumb.then you basically said I'm a myopic owner who doesn't understand how pitching works in the sim.
then, you repeat the phrase "surprise me" several times, as if I didn't think things through. I love you like a lecherous uncle, but that doesn't mean you can talk down to me and not get a reaction.
all because I didn't stick around in the league where most of the owners I thought would be in the league were leaving, and there were 4-5 good teams and lots of tanking going on. I apologized for bolting, but it just wasn't what I wanted to spend my money on.
now, come sit on my lap and tell me what you want for your birfday.
tm4559
(there are no hard feelings on the league thing. folks come and folks go, such is the way of any league.)
March 25, 2010 at 03:34PM View BBCode
since you put it that way, how can i resist?(there are no hard feelings on the league thing. folks come and folks go, such is the way of any league.)
shep1582
I'm wondering how long before he implodes. He keeps pitching well, every start, and it ain't like he's the #5 SP, either. He was my #1 to start the season, and slid down to #2 when I promoted another guy of the same age and ilk.
And, I have an A+ power guy who I posted somewhere else who can't hit 25 homers per season.
Gotta love the randomness, and fully embrace it.
Thanks, Chris!
March 25, 2010 at 03:41PM View BBCode
I still can't believe that 1st pitcher I posted, the C-/A guy, is 14-10 with a 1.12 WHIP and a 3.49 ERA.I'm wondering how long before he implodes. He keeps pitching well, every start, and it ain't like he's the #5 SP, either. He was my #1 to start the season, and slid down to #2 when I promoted another guy of the same age and ilk.
And, I have an A+ power guy who I posted somewhere else who can't hit 25 homers per season.
Gotta love the randomness, and fully embrace it.
Thanks, Chris!
happy
good starting pitcher is an understatement. If he retired today, he would be 13th on the all time ERA list for the league, and he hasnt even hit his prime yet.
In fact, if you throw out all players not drafted in the initial draft, there are two players above him. One was drafted in 1951, so id count him towards 50s weirdness too, which leaves only 1 player ahead of him, and the one player ahead of him retired at 3.06, so I think its pretty safe to say that this player will retire with the lowest career ERA since the 1950s era.
March 27, 2010 at 11:57PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by happy
well other than the pitching, my team sorta sucks.
Your team is over 100 games below .500 in the four years he's been a regular, that's more than sorta sucks .
I find nothing unusual about a good starting pitcher being below .500 on a team that has failed to win more than 68 games in any season .
good starting pitcher is an understatement. If he retired today, he would be 13th on the all time ERA list for the league, and he hasnt even hit his prime yet.
In fact, if you throw out all players not drafted in the initial draft, there are two players above him. One was drafted in 1951, so id count him towards 50s weirdness too, which leaves only 1 player ahead of him, and the one player ahead of him retired at 3.06, so I think its pretty safe to say that this player will retire with the lowest career ERA since the 1950s era.
shep1582
He's a wonderful pitcher.
I love him.
March 28, 2010 at 04:06PM View BBCode
He's now only one game under .500, and only because of the 10-18 season.He's a wonderful pitcher.
I love him.
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