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Jack1
Here is his latest offer:
Trade Offers Received:
Accept Decline Advice | New | Proposed by the Philadelphia domiNATEors to the Kansas City Alley Cats on 06-11-1983
Action Player Pos Tot Age Ldr Hlth Arm Rng Spd CvR PvR CvL PvL End Vel Ctrl From To
Trade Peter Chu OF/1B A- 27 -- A B+ A- A- B+ A- A+ A -- -- -- KC PHI
Acquire Ron Camilli CF B 21 -- A+ B- B A- D A C- A+ -- -- -- PHI KC
Demote Chase Utley 2B/RF B- 22 -- A A- B C- D+ A- C- A -- -- -- PHI PHI
:mad:
Jack1
Enough is enough
February 05, 2009 at 11:53PM View BBCode
This owner will not quit trying to screw other owners with his lopsided trades. Admin needs to do somrthing about it.Here is his latest offer:
Trade Offers Received:
Accept Decline Advice | New | Proposed by the Philadelphia domiNATEors to the Kansas City Alley Cats on 06-11-1983
Action Player Pos Tot Age Ldr Hlth Arm Rng Spd CvR PvR CvL PvL End Vel Ctrl From To
Trade Peter Chu OF/1B A- 27 -- A B+ A- A- B+ A- A+ A -- -- -- KC PHI
Acquire Ron Camilli CF B 21 -- A+ B- B A- D A C- A+ -- -- -- PHI KC
Demote Chase Utley 2B/RF B- 22 -- A A- B C- D+ A- C- A -- -- -- PHI PHI
:mad:
Jack1
natehoyt83
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February 06, 2009 at 01:05AM View BBCode
lopsided... a rebuiilding team getting a 21 yr old with a+ health and lots of power. my bad
Jack1
February 06, 2009 at 01:24AM View BBCode
You continue to try an ravish this league with your lopsided bids, why can't you stop cheating.
postal99
please-- can't we all just get along:D:D:D:D:D:D
postal99
February 06, 2009 at 06:07AM View BBCode
Jack1--just decline the trade if you think that it is a lopsided proposal. a league can't be ravaged unless a majority of the owners allow it to happen. i think with recent events everybody is aware that philly proposes some questionable trades, BUT they have to be accepted by the other party. not all of his proposals are bad. on this one i can see both points of view. he is offering a player 6 years younger who may develop into a player better than he's giving (maybe--maybe not) that is the risk. looks like he is trying to win now. i don't think it is cheating to try to improve your team. it's cheating if you continue to take advantage of an owner who doesn't know any better. it takes two to complete a trade not one.please-- can't we all just get along:D:D:D:D:D:D
postal99
Jack1
I've asked this owner to not send me anymore offers, so hopefully, that will end our dealings.
Let's play ball,
Jack1
February 06, 2009 at 02:22PM View BBCode
Yes, I declined this trade. And yes let's get along.I've asked this owner to not send me anymore offers, so hopefully, that will end our dealings.
Let's play ball,
Jack1
ThaChop
I suggest if anyone has a question on a trade ask. You don't have to do it here. Every Tuesday, or at least they used to, there was a rookie chat. A new owner can ask there, or go to the boards.
But the best advice I can give is be smart with what you're giving up versus what you're getting. This league is all about planning. Rebuilding can take several seasons and it doesn't happen over night. That's why I like it.
Chowder
February 06, 2009 at 02:36PM View BBCode
I've received quite a few offer from Philly, but I've been doing this long enough to know what's a good deal or not. It comes down to common sense. The last offer Philly made me I actually thought about...it wasn't a bad one, but I liked the guy he wanted. He tries to make a lot happen, but the owner should be able to see through it and make the right decision.I suggest if anyone has a question on a trade ask. You don't have to do it here. Every Tuesday, or at least they used to, there was a rookie chat. A new owner can ask there, or go to the boards.
But the best advice I can give is be smart with what you're giving up versus what you're getting. This league is all about planning. Rebuilding can take several seasons and it doesn't happen over night. That's why I like it.
Chowder
grkyank4
I kind of enjoy dealing with Nate. I might not like his initial offer but he's pretty kool at negotiating and making things finally happen.
February 06, 2009 at 11:31PM View BBCode
That's the first time I've ever seen Jack so mad.I kind of enjoy dealing with Nate. I might not like his initial offer but he's pretty kool at negotiating and making things finally happen.
natehoyt83
hes the one that has a potential all star 27 yr old riding pine. when I see that sort of thing I automatically start to think of how to aquire that player. so good luck in that rebuild Jack. just keep in mind that it was the two of us on the bottom of the standings when we started this rebuild. competing for those top picks. so get up to the top so you can compete for the big prize.
nate
take a look at the teams that have won recently...
February 06, 2009 at 11:53PM View BBCode
look at cinci, detroit, and chicago al. all teams that are winning in large part to trades they made with me. brooklyn had a bunch of old domiNATEors during their run, and have traded for young domiNATEors so that the domiNATEors could improve enough to compete now. I recently made a trade with baltimore to get an ace pitcher, and he got back some big prospects. if you know what your supposed to value, and make counters there are many examples of trades that I have made that help both teams, and there are plenty that I have made that helped the other team more than it helped me. I was not even trying to make an unfair offer to kc, and if kc wants to not deal with me that is fine. KC and ST Louis are now off my list of potential trade partners, but that will make their rebuilds much harder because it is very hard to rebuild through the draft alone esp if you make some of the questionable draft day decisions some teams make. I apologized to Jack1 last night, and hope that he can cool down enough so that we can again have a decent relationship. I dont think Ive ever even made offers to Jack that ask for the good ss or the good of he hashes the one that has a potential all star 27 yr old riding pine. when I see that sort of thing I automatically start to think of how to aquire that player. so good luck in that rebuild Jack. just keep in mind that it was the two of us on the bottom of the standings when we started this rebuild. competing for those top picks. so get up to the top so you can compete for the big prize.
nate
robmcrobjr
Really? I wouldn't say that my winning has a "large" part to do with any of the trades that we have made. I was in the same place that St. Louis is in now back in the 70's remember? You and I made MANY questionable trades, that I would not even think about even considering now. The only thing that you can take credit for as far as Cincinnati is concerned is that you made us a shrewder trade partner. I scrutinize every deal that gets sent to me, and rip it apart before I accept anything anymore. Cincinnati is good now, in large part to the draft and trading with EVERYONE in the JWL, not just Philly. You really do have a high opinion of yourself Nate, and it can come off as offensive, though I do recognize that you probably don't mean to. I don't know how Detroit or Chicago feel about that comment, so I can't speak for them. I do know that trading with you hasn't had as big of an impact on the Reds as you may think. Rob
February 07, 2009 at 12:42AM View BBCode
Originally posted by natehoyt83
look at cinci, detroit, and chicago al. all teams that are winning in large part to trades they made with me.
nate
Really? I wouldn't say that my winning has a "large" part to do with any of the trades that we have made. I was in the same place that St. Louis is in now back in the 70's remember? You and I made MANY questionable trades, that I would not even think about even considering now. The only thing that you can take credit for as far as Cincinnati is concerned is that you made us a shrewder trade partner. I scrutinize every deal that gets sent to me, and rip it apart before I accept anything anymore. Cincinnati is good now, in large part to the draft and trading with EVERYONE in the JWL, not just Philly. You really do have a high opinion of yourself Nate, and it can come off as offensive, though I do recognize that you probably don't mean to. I don't know how Detroit or Chicago feel about that comment, so I can't speak for them. I do know that trading with you hasn't had as big of an impact on the Reds as you may think. Rob
ffoursea
ed schwartz
ffoursea
what a beatuiful evening 42 degrees in chicago
February 07, 2009 at 02:00AM View BBCode
please leave st louis out of thised schwartz
ffoursea
what a beatuiful evening 42 degrees in chicago
robmcrobjr
February 07, 2009 at 04:38AM View BBCode
Nobody put St. Louis in anything. Just used you as an example. Rob
natehoyt83
ken cloude- for a younger rooney another wash sort of trade.
justin leone and mutt the outfielder for pete higginson.
that is a one fifth of your 25 man roster off the top of my head that is in some way a result of deals with the domiNATEors. I didnt even insinuate that your team being good was bestowed upon you by the domiNATEors I was making the point that being nasty because you have to think things through and make some effort to make your team good is not a great attitude to have. I was saying that our relationship, although you have been trying to make it negative recently, has helped both of our teams get where we want to be. Jack 1 is by no means an inexperienced player, and has decided that a trade that he doesnt like is cheating if he recieves it. My propensity for arbitrarly deciding to rebuild a team that is full of 28 to 32 year olds allows me to get people like cole hamels who i recieved for taylor and cines, but it also gave you two young veterans who helped you get better quickly. kc is now chosing to limit his opportunity for those sort of bargains that most of this league does not like to do. rob your a good owner i did not mean to offend you but the fact remains there are 5 major league players on your team that the domiNATEors sent to you and I dont think any of those trades where unfair.
nate
Joe Rooney and Micky Taylor
February 07, 2009 at 01:03PM View BBCode
are a large part of your winning. I didnt say that you got the best end of every deal or that I did. but you got two players who have been a big part of your team for a young pitcher. and taylor nor rooney are that old now several years later.ken cloude- for a younger rooney another wash sort of trade.
justin leone and mutt the outfielder for pete higginson.
that is a one fifth of your 25 man roster off the top of my head that is in some way a result of deals with the domiNATEors. I didnt even insinuate that your team being good was bestowed upon you by the domiNATEors I was making the point that being nasty because you have to think things through and make some effort to make your team good is not a great attitude to have. I was saying that our relationship, although you have been trying to make it negative recently, has helped both of our teams get where we want to be. Jack 1 is by no means an inexperienced player, and has decided that a trade that he doesnt like is cheating if he recieves it. My propensity for arbitrarly deciding to rebuild a team that is full of 28 to 32 year olds allows me to get people like cole hamels who i recieved for taylor and cines, but it also gave you two young veterans who helped you get better quickly. kc is now chosing to limit his opportunity for those sort of bargains that most of this league does not like to do. rob your a good owner i did not mean to offend you but the fact remains there are 5 major league players on your team that the domiNATEors sent to you and I dont think any of those trades where unfair.
nate
nimzovich
February 07, 2009 at 03:24PM View BBCode
I hadn't done this before, so I suggest it to everyone because it was fun. Where did my team come from? Three trades with Brooklyn (4 players), two trades with Philadelphia (3 players, but one got traded back and forth), two trades with Milwaukee, one trade with St. Louis (2 players), and one trade each with Cleveland and NYN. After that they are all my draft picks: picks 4 (1976), 7 (1975), 8 (1966), 12 (1972), 13 (1982), and then 5 second round picks and 2 third round picks. No fourth or fifth rounders, but one guy off the waiver wire. The real point, though, is that I hope nobody dreads seeing my logo pop up on their trade offers received screen. I'm sure I've made offers that seemed strange, either predatory or stupid, but I hope nobody dreads my logo. I give this game about half an hour a day. I'm a silly man. I enjoy it even though I have never won the World Series. I can actually see my players' faces in my mind's eye, and some of them I could never trade because I imagine their children having to change schools. Even so, ABE still tries to crush my spirit with one run losses in the 17th inning and other managers seem a lot smarter than me. Too bad for me, I guess. I blame my mother. Regards, Allan
robmcrobjr
As for trying to make "our" relationship negative, what are you talking about? Our relationship has been negative for quite awhile Nate! Ever since the former KC owner pointed out how you were taking advantage of me, and others, and quit because of it, I've been coming at you "negatively" trying to point out your cheating to the league! I've been protesting your trades and posting "negative" comments about you for years! Your memory is just a little cloudy, because we worked together on the HOF I guess. The fact remains that I don't trust you. You prey on newbs and that isn't cool at all. I've made you my crusade, and have been watching EVERY trade you have made in the last 10 seasons. Don't EVER get it twisted and think that our "relationship" is a good one. I appreciate the advice you've given me, and I did learn from making all of those crappy trades with you in the early years, and that is the ONLY credit you can claim when it comes to the Reds success! Rob
Maybe KC should be claiming to be a "great part" of why I'm winning. At least he would have a point!
February 07, 2009 at 04:51PM View BBCode
Nate, some how you counted out 4 players, and by the end of your statement, it was 5! My bad, the Reds must have to give Philly all of the credit for our success! NO, I don't think so. When you make a statement about a player being a "great" part of one's team, I expect that the players that you name off be "great", or at least producers! Taylor & Leone are that. Neither has been as successful as I had hoped, but they both have produced. The other 2, Muff and Rooney, were throw in's that YOU added to the deal's, and only play because no one else wanted them, and they happen to be on my roster still. Rooney is having a great year this year, I'll give you that, but I suppose he will probably fade as the season goes on. I never said that we didn't make trades that helped me, or that they were unfair. I said that the trades I made with you were not a "great part of why I'm winning" as you suggested. In that case, it would be Palmer and Steinbach that I got from KC. They have been a "great" part of my team, and continue to be. My success would not be possible without those 2. I'm quite sure that my team would be just as successful as it has been if you take away all 4 players that you named off, and I kept the players that I traded you. Just because there is 4 players on my ML roster that came from or through Philly doesn't mean you contributed to my success in any way.As for trying to make "our" relationship negative, what are you talking about? Our relationship has been negative for quite awhile Nate! Ever since the former KC owner pointed out how you were taking advantage of me, and others, and quit because of it, I've been coming at you "negatively" trying to point out your cheating to the league! I've been protesting your trades and posting "negative" comments about you for years! Your memory is just a little cloudy, because we worked together on the HOF I guess. The fact remains that I don't trust you. You prey on newbs and that isn't cool at all. I've made you my crusade, and have been watching EVERY trade you have made in the last 10 seasons. Don't EVER get it twisted and think that our "relationship" is a good one. I appreciate the advice you've given me, and I did learn from making all of those crappy trades with you in the early years, and that is the ONLY credit you can claim when it comes to the Reds success! Rob
Maybe KC should be claiming to be a "great part" of why I'm winning. At least he would have a point!
natehoyt83
and the rooney ant talyor trade is evdient you got the best rp in the game at the time, and used him as a sp where he was also succesful and rooney has given you 3 seasons of under 3 era. I never claimed that these trades where the only reason that your good i was making a complety different point as a matter of fact and that is that if anyone is stupid enough to not trade with me they miss out on the opportunity to make these kind of trades. as for uneven trades back in the day I think i traded your 1st round pick for my 2 3 4 5 and that wasnt a fair trade, but it certainly has not closed you off to making trades with me since than, and in my mind i have tried to make offers to you since than that avoid that sort of thing. these three trades that have resulted in in fact 5 members of your 25 man roster may not be your ace pitcher and best offensive player, but in fact 2 star players never win in this league. there is a reason why your team, and mlwk forced me to make as many moves as i have recently, and that is that your pitching is so deep that your 3 and even 4 starter would be the best pitcher on most teams in this league. so yes rooney is a big part of your team, taylor is in fact a big part of why you are so good, cloude is a key contributer, Leone has done alot to help you win, and mff is probably only a slight downgrade from higgninson who is what i netted for leone and he.
to all the teams that i made a statement regarding their success being a result of trades with the domiNATEors... i did not in any way mean to imply it was the only reason. I was making the case that it was key to the building of your team. I apoligize if you think i was trying to say that your team is good as a result of my castoffs. I was making the point that kc will struggle to contend in a league where he is unwilling to make thoughtful counters to trades or if he cuts off relationship with an owner who makes many moves, and where most of these unfair trades are simply a result of over anxious teams accepting bad deals rather than trying to make a counter and working towards a deal that is worth while. continue to keep an eye on me rob i plan on you looking up to me in the standings when it is all said and done this year.
nate
February 07, 2009 at 05:48PM View BBCode
rooney, taylor and cloude. all big time contributers. not through ins at all. leone has been a very big part of your team to include a year where he hit over 40 homeruns, and muff may not be starting anymore but certainly was at one time. lets see a secondbaseman with unbelievable power who you developed 100%, but you got him and mut for a high second round pick in higginson. cloude you got in a trade for a guy who i really liked but never really developed, and along with him you got a one time very good rp and a second round pickand the rooney ant talyor trade is evdient you got the best rp in the game at the time, and used him as a sp where he was also succesful and rooney has given you 3 seasons of under 3 era. I never claimed that these trades where the only reason that your good i was making a complety different point as a matter of fact and that is that if anyone is stupid enough to not trade with me they miss out on the opportunity to make these kind of trades. as for uneven trades back in the day I think i traded your 1st round pick for my 2 3 4 5 and that wasnt a fair trade, but it certainly has not closed you off to making trades with me since than, and in my mind i have tried to make offers to you since than that avoid that sort of thing. these three trades that have resulted in in fact 5 members of your 25 man roster may not be your ace pitcher and best offensive player, but in fact 2 star players never win in this league. there is a reason why your team, and mlwk forced me to make as many moves as i have recently, and that is that your pitching is so deep that your 3 and even 4 starter would be the best pitcher on most teams in this league. so yes rooney is a big part of your team, taylor is in fact a big part of why you are so good, cloude is a key contributer, Leone has done alot to help you win, and mff is probably only a slight downgrade from higgninson who is what i netted for leone and he.
to all the teams that i made a statement regarding their success being a result of trades with the domiNATEors... i did not in any way mean to imply it was the only reason. I was making the case that it was key to the building of your team. I apoligize if you think i was trying to say that your team is good as a result of my castoffs. I was making the point that kc will struggle to contend in a league where he is unwilling to make thoughtful counters to trades or if he cuts off relationship with an owner who makes many moves, and where most of these unfair trades are simply a result of over anxious teams accepting bad deals rather than trying to make a counter and working towards a deal that is worth while. continue to keep an eye on me rob i plan on you looking up to me in the standings when it is all said and done this year.
nate
natehoyt83
A trade has been completed between the Kansas City Alley Cats and the St. Louis Saints. The St. Louis Saints receive Ben Whitted, Paul Acosta, Draft Pick - 1983 Round 2 (KC) from the Kansas City Alley Cats in exchange for Kevin Bouton.
fair trade?
9/20/1977
A trade has been completed between the St. Louis Saints and the Cincinnati Black Sox. The Cincinnati Black Sox receive Draft Pick - 1978 Round 1 (PHI) from the St. Louis Saints in exchange for Draft Pick - 1979 Round 3 (CIN), Draft Pick - 1979 Round 4 (CIN).
9/11/1977
A trade has been completed between the Cincinnati Black Sox and the St. Louis Saints. The St. Louis Saints receive Craig Wilson, Dave Littlefield, Larry Roberts from the Cincinnati Black Sox in exchange for Draft Pick - 1978 Round 3 (PHI).
9/9/1977
A trade has been completed between the Cincinnati Black Sox and the St. Louis Saints. The St. Louis Saints receive Draft Pick - 1978 Round 3 (CHN), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 2 (DET), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 5 (CIN), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 4 (CIN), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 3 (CIN) from the Cincinnati Black Sox in exchange for Draft Pick - 1978 Round 2 (STL).
heres a few from cinci
my "predatory" tendencies have been well documented. I think its been said those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones
5/24/1977
A trade has been completed between the Cincinnati Black Sox and the St. Louis Saints. The St. Louis Saints receive Jaun Sandoval, George Sherrill, Jamal Strong, Draft Pick - 1978 Round 5 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 4 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 3 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 2 (PHI) from the Cincinnati Black Sox in exchange for George Tremel.
thats an interesting one too.
10 years of watching the domiNATEors, but its been fine to make these trads time and time again.
cinci your ethical trades should be complemented your exemplary trade history should be commended. if you could similary document the trade or trades that we made that generated this ill will maybe we could move beyond this. This documents a history of predatory trading between cinci and st louis
and there is an example of a whopper coming from st louis and kc
im the bad guy?
nate
February 07, 2009 at 11:16PM View BBCode
10/3/1982A trade has been completed between the Kansas City Alley Cats and the St. Louis Saints. The St. Louis Saints receive Ben Whitted, Paul Acosta, Draft Pick - 1983 Round 2 (KC) from the Kansas City Alley Cats in exchange for Kevin Bouton.
fair trade?
9/20/1977
A trade has been completed between the St. Louis Saints and the Cincinnati Black Sox. The Cincinnati Black Sox receive Draft Pick - 1978 Round 1 (PHI) from the St. Louis Saints in exchange for Draft Pick - 1979 Round 3 (CIN), Draft Pick - 1979 Round 4 (CIN).
9/11/1977
A trade has been completed between the Cincinnati Black Sox and the St. Louis Saints. The St. Louis Saints receive Craig Wilson, Dave Littlefield, Larry Roberts from the Cincinnati Black Sox in exchange for Draft Pick - 1978 Round 3 (PHI).
9/9/1977
A trade has been completed between the Cincinnati Black Sox and the St. Louis Saints. The St. Louis Saints receive Draft Pick - 1978 Round 3 (CHN), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 2 (DET), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 5 (CIN), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 4 (CIN), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 3 (CIN) from the Cincinnati Black Sox in exchange for Draft Pick - 1978 Round 2 (STL).
heres a few from cinci
my "predatory" tendencies have been well documented. I think its been said those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones
5/24/1977
A trade has been completed between the Cincinnati Black Sox and the St. Louis Saints. The St. Louis Saints receive Jaun Sandoval, George Sherrill, Jamal Strong, Draft Pick - 1978 Round 5 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 4 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 3 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1978 Round 2 (PHI) from the Cincinnati Black Sox in exchange for George Tremel.
thats an interesting one too.
10 years of watching the domiNATEors, but its been fine to make these trads time and time again.
cinci your ethical trades should be complemented your exemplary trade history should be commended. if you could similary document the trade or trades that we made that generated this ill will maybe we could move beyond this. This documents a history of predatory trading between cinci and st louis
and there is an example of a whopper coming from st louis and kc
im the bad guy?
nate
robmcrobjr
It's funny how you always end up apologizing to the league for the ignorance that you spew, however, even when your trying to be humble, you still come as arrogant! You said, "i did not in any way mean to imply it was the only reason. I was making the case that it was key to the building of your team." How is that? Cloude was key. True. But that's it. I wanted Taylor because I felt that I WAS ready to compete, and needed another horse. Trading with you was not "key to the building of MY team". If anything, trading with you put me WAY behind in my rebuild! The last few trades that I made with you, I made to solidify my roster. That's it. You've been a cancer in this league for far too long, and now that someone is calling you on it, you seem to feel like you have to justify every move you make. That's fine with me, it just let's me know that I'm in your head!
As for looking up at you in the standings when it's all said and done this year, remember, the season is long my friend! And I have been around long enough to see Philly choke at the end of the season/playoffs, so I'm not worried about you! Now Milwaukee, they've go me worried. Your small potatoes Nate, and you don't intimidate anyone here! Rob
February 07, 2009 at 11:29PM View BBCode
I did forget about Cloude, so I have to give you credit for him. However, how are you going to claim that anyone has been a BIG contributor on anyone else's team except your own? I never disputed Taylor being a contributor on my team, just that my team would have still been winning without him. Now you claim Rooney has been a "big contributor" on my team, when in reality he got that 3 era in mop up duty, pitching either when the game was in hand or we were getting blown out. HE WAS A THROW IN NATE! I offered you picks for Taylor, and you countered with Delmonte for Taylor and Rooney. I never asked for him, nor have I used him in any role where he could be a contributor, until this season. My point was that my team would still be winning had I not made those trades with you, but wouldn't be winning had I not made the trades that netted Palmer and Steinbach.It's funny how you always end up apologizing to the league for the ignorance that you spew, however, even when your trying to be humble, you still come as arrogant! You said, "i did not in any way mean to imply it was the only reason. I was making the case that it was key to the building of your team." How is that? Cloude was key. True. But that's it. I wanted Taylor because I felt that I WAS ready to compete, and needed another horse. Trading with you was not "key to the building of MY team". If anything, trading with you put me WAY behind in my rebuild! The last few trades that I made with you, I made to solidify my roster. That's it. You've been a cancer in this league for far too long, and now that someone is calling you on it, you seem to feel like you have to justify every move you make. That's fine with me, it just let's me know that I'm in your head!
As for looking up at you in the standings when it's all said and done this year, remember, the season is long my friend! And I have been around long enough to see Philly choke at the end of the season/playoffs, so I'm not worried about you! Now Milwaukee, they've go me worried. Your small potatoes Nate, and you don't intimidate anyone here! Rob
natehoyt83
my cancer is that i didnt let you take the same sort of advantage of me that you took of the rest of the league.
i know mlwk...
February 07, 2009 at 11:48PM View BBCode
is the best team.. thats obvious. funny you didnt have a reply to many examples of cancerous trading on your part.my cancer is that i didnt let you take the same sort of advantage of me that you took of the rest of the league.
robmcrobjr
9/11/78- HUH? Does that trade even seem possible? Something has to be missing from it, because a even a newb isn't going to take a 4 or 5 round pick for a 1st!
9/9/77-I gave St. Louis 3 players for a 3rd round pick. That's your example of preying on the newbs? Funny!
No date listed- I gave St. Louis a 2nd, 2 3rds, a 4th and a 5th round pick for his 2nd round pick? Another great example of me preying on the newbs? Your argument is starting to crumble.
5/24/77-Now, there is a good example of trying to take advantage of a newb. I basically sent St. Louis a trade that you have made famous in this league, and he accepted it. I never in a million years thought that he would, but he did. But, I was still fairly a newb then, so what's your excuse? I'm sure that I can go through your 30+ years in the JWL and find all sorts of doozies!
The fact remains that your just a bad guy Nate! When St. Louis and I did that trade in 77', and I watched him do a few more crazy ones (sorry for mentioning you St. Louis, but those are the facts), I offered him some advice, and haven't taken advantage of him since. What about you? Do you offer advice to those who are new, and just trying to feel their way around? Or do you see a newb, and start preying on him until your called on it? I think the evidence shows the latter. Keep on bringing the hit's, this is starting to get fun! Rob
February 07, 2009 at 11:53PM View BBCode
FUNNY! I like how you went down memory lane there. Those trades were done in 77-78 right? That was what my 4th season? Maybe 5th in the league? That's it for my "preying on the newbs" that you could find? You started in this league at the beginning pal, and have preyed on the newbs in every decade that the JWL has been around! That is why your trades haves been labeled as predatory. You attack a newb, then keep on attacking until someone speaks up and either educates that newb, or leaves the league. Just for fun I will "justify" those trades you listed above.9/11/78- HUH? Does that trade even seem possible? Something has to be missing from it, because a even a newb isn't going to take a 4 or 5 round pick for a 1st!
9/9/77-I gave St. Louis 3 players for a 3rd round pick. That's your example of preying on the newbs? Funny!
No date listed- I gave St. Louis a 2nd, 2 3rds, a 4th and a 5th round pick for his 2nd round pick? Another great example of me preying on the newbs? Your argument is starting to crumble.
5/24/77-Now, there is a good example of trying to take advantage of a newb. I basically sent St. Louis a trade that you have made famous in this league, and he accepted it. I never in a million years thought that he would, but he did. But, I was still fairly a newb then, so what's your excuse? I'm sure that I can go through your 30+ years in the JWL and find all sorts of doozies!
The fact remains that your just a bad guy Nate! When St. Louis and I did that trade in 77', and I watched him do a few more crazy ones (sorry for mentioning you St. Louis, but those are the facts), I offered him some advice, and haven't taken advantage of him since. What about you? Do you offer advice to those who are new, and just trying to feel their way around? Or do you see a newb, and start preying on him until your called on it? I think the evidence shows the latter. Keep on bringing the hit's, this is starting to get fun! Rob
robmcrobjr
I'm sure EVERYONE believes that one! Rob
February 07, 2009 at 11:55PM View BBCode
You've got to give me a minute to answer these crazy post's, I can only go so fast! I'VE taken advantage of the league! All I have to say about that is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!I'm sure EVERYONE believes that one! Rob
natehoyt83
nate
hypocrite...
February 08, 2009 at 12:17AM View BBCode
that is what you are, and like you said about the trade with who would ever expect someone to accept that is exactly what the vetoed trade was. simply thrown out there and accepted. but your annalysis of the trades i brought to light deserves a bit more explanation than ha ha ha. it seems like you have a history yourself, and although i win big in some most of those have nothing to do with prey and alot more to do with stupidity. I have a job that has alot of down time and i make trade offers around the league again and again and again. most are absolute nonsense, but they are sent to every member of the league who has anyone i would be interested in. i usually dont make draft pick trade offers to someone until theve got a history of making bad draft picks. same as most of my lopsided trades ivovle someone in the minors or on the bench. I am not perfect i do not aplogize for making lopsided trades and will continue to try and improve my team. your nastiness is not coming across as cleverness. and you know that when you aproached me about trades that i made with you that where lopsided i aplogizied, and i did give you some advice regarding the upcoming draft. wether you liked it or not i did make an attempt to make amends.nate
robmcrobjr
PS-Yes, you did give me some advice, but it was solicited advice! I asked you questions and you gave me the answers. Like I've said many times before, I used to use the Philly franchise as a model of what I'd like to be, hence the Tremmel offer, however, I was awakened to how dirty your tactics are, not just from my own experience, but from watching owner after owner complain about them.
February 08, 2009 at 02:24AM View BBCode
Hypocrite? That is the pot calling the kettle black now isn't it! Dude, in the attempt to defend yourself, you've continued to make yourself look foolish. Anyone with as much time on their hands as you can look at the progression of my trades with St. Louis back in 77-78 and see that after I made the trade with St. Louis, that I already previously said was a bad trade for him, that I started to try and help him with the trades I made him! The next 2 trades you questioned, in order, was me basically giving him draft picks, because I had no use for them! The other trade for a 4th and 5th for a 1st is obviously a mistake. No one, not even a newb would make that deal! How could anyone question a 4 JWL season vet offering a rookie 5 picks for 1? Or giving him 3 players for a 3rd round pick? My point being that after I so called took advantage of him with the Tremmel trade, I made amends by trading him quite a few picks, and offered some advice. Where did I continue to prey on him Nate? Were is the rest of your proof that you have to offer? Yours is WELL documented buddy! Your the only manager in this league that has had SO MANY people complaining about them. YOU, and only you! So you can try and turn all of this around on me, however, the evidence speaks for itself, and it SCREAMS that YOUR GUILTY! The more you try to argue your innocence the more you look guilty! Why don't you just take a chill pill, and stop trying to deflect your guilt on someone else! RobPS-Yes, you did give me some advice, but it was solicited advice! I asked you questions and you gave me the answers. Like I've said many times before, I used to use the Philly franchise as a model of what I'd like to be, hence the Tremmel offer, however, I was awakened to how dirty your tactics are, not just from my own experience, but from watching owner after owner complain about them.
robmcrobjr
February 08, 2009 at 02:25AM View BBCode
Also, how many times has anyone complained to the league or admin about one of my trades? Right. Now you? Yeah, I thought so.
natehoyt83
I defended my trade with st louis. I still have no problem with it. the league did. st louis is still only playing him against righties and i let him know that esp given the poor job he had done developing him that this was not sufficient ab to get the player talked about in the discusiions reversing the trade. He is obviously not valued by st louis, but i havent seen anyone offering a first round pick for the guy, and that is actually all i fell short of doing. so yes winning trades i make a lot, but evil trades not so much. if kc wants a a- overall 27 yr old on the bench thats his choice. i offered an outstanding prospect by all accounts for him. he rejected it and went off the deep end. this is not my trying to take advantage of a person just a situation. it is called inteligent. You see rob i feel no guilt about these trades because when these trades are accepted the other owner has something he is trying to do as well. in kc case he doesnt want to be as good as his 25 man roster allows him to be because that would hurt where he drafts. I gave it a shot that camilli would at least peak his interest. he went off the deep end.
you see im not a hypocrite because Im not the one that thinks any of this is wrong. i merely pointed out that both kc and cinci have made similar trades. i dont care when they were made 4 or 5 seasons of this makes you a veteran and if you think that these trades you made with st louis are so terrible you should have known better. if kc is tired of my trade offers ill back off him till next season or sometime down the road. st louis ill stay away from, but 11 leagues means he knows exactly what hes doing. rob as for you; youve got a lot to learn. you dont seem to understand that 2 or 3 guys will never win. you have to have a good 25 man roster. if you think that many of my trades are lopsided than you dont know what your looking at.
the trade earlier this year with st louis- iver got no problem with
the only time since 1977 when you made all these trades i brought up that i feel I got the hands down best end of the deal was deveroux for reboulet and second.
and we are talking about a rp for at the time 20 yr old b overall player.
bad offers are only accepted by bad owners, and take 5 minutes and look at the trades i have made and very few are bad.
but i say that and let me reiterate i have no remorse for any trade that i have made. I apologize if i may have wronged a person.
nate
not defending my self...
February 08, 2009 at 12:08PM View BBCode
there is nothing wrong with the trades i made ever... ive won some and lost some. you see i apologize for offending people, or anything else that i do that may in some way hurt a person. i do not in any way or have i ever signaled out a new guy to make silly trade proposals too. i make those trade proposals to everyone. i am not trying to justify anything i have done, and only the volume of your voice speaks to an overwelming number of disproportinate trades on my part.I defended my trade with st louis. I still have no problem with it. the league did. st louis is still only playing him against righties and i let him know that esp given the poor job he had done developing him that this was not sufficient ab to get the player talked about in the discusiions reversing the trade. He is obviously not valued by st louis, but i havent seen anyone offering a first round pick for the guy, and that is actually all i fell short of doing. so yes winning trades i make a lot, but evil trades not so much. if kc wants a a- overall 27 yr old on the bench thats his choice. i offered an outstanding prospect by all accounts for him. he rejected it and went off the deep end. this is not my trying to take advantage of a person just a situation. it is called inteligent. You see rob i feel no guilt about these trades because when these trades are accepted the other owner has something he is trying to do as well. in kc case he doesnt want to be as good as his 25 man roster allows him to be because that would hurt where he drafts. I gave it a shot that camilli would at least peak his interest. he went off the deep end.
you see im not a hypocrite because Im not the one that thinks any of this is wrong. i merely pointed out that both kc and cinci have made similar trades. i dont care when they were made 4 or 5 seasons of this makes you a veteran and if you think that these trades you made with st louis are so terrible you should have known better. if kc is tired of my trade offers ill back off him till next season or sometime down the road. st louis ill stay away from, but 11 leagues means he knows exactly what hes doing. rob as for you; youve got a lot to learn. you dont seem to understand that 2 or 3 guys will never win. you have to have a good 25 man roster. if you think that many of my trades are lopsided than you dont know what your looking at.
the trade earlier this year with st louis- iver got no problem with
the only time since 1977 when you made all these trades i brought up that i feel I got the hands down best end of the deal was deveroux for reboulet and second.
and we are talking about a rp for at the time 20 yr old b overall player.
bad offers are only accepted by bad owners, and take 5 minutes and look at the trades i have made and very few are bad.
but i say that and let me reiterate i have no remorse for any trade that i have made. I apologize if i may have wronged a person.
nate
robmcrobjr
February 08, 2009 at 02:00PM View BBCode
Whatever Nate, you can try to justify your actions any way that makes you feel better about them. And just because it is only my voice that you hear, doesn't mean that I'm the only one thinking like this! I've heard from plenty of other owners that feel the same way that I do, and of course there was the other 9 that voted to overturn your trade. You see Nate, my mission has been accomplished. You've been marked as a bad trade partner, so any trade you send out will certainly be scrutinized by the receiver. However, if they are foolish enough to take one of your crazy trades, then there are those of us that will vote to overturn it. So good luck passing on that nonsense in the future my boy! RobPages: 1 2