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4/6/1983
A trade has been completed between the Philadelphia domiNATEors and the St. Louis Saints. The St. Louis Saints receive Sonny Adams, Ruben Esser, Draft Pick - 1984 Round 5 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1984 Round 4 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1984 Round 3 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1984 Round 2 (PHI) from the Philadelphia domiNATEors in exchange for Walter Partenheimer.
Player card for this trade:
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=4920463
Starting later today on the game side at www.simdynasty.com, you should see a popup window asking for your opinion. If 66% of the owners who vote, vote to overturn, we will reverse the trade. Owners involved in the trade are not eligible to vote. Voting will go through until at least Thursday.
See this thread for info on this process:
http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=146616
We will also included a 3rd parties unbiased opinion of the deal. This is from barterer2002, who only looked at the trade itself and has no knowledge of who owns the teams. I have asked him to post that here when he gets a minute. The reason we ask barterer to give an opinion is because of past complaints in other trade protest proceedings where owners felt that someone should give an unbiased opinion of the deal. Of course, I don't want to touch that myself so that's why we bring in barterer to give an opinion. You can do whatever you like with his opinion.
Tyson
Trade Protest
January 20, 2009 at 03:30PM View BBCode
We have a trade protest on this trade:4/6/1983
A trade has been completed between the Philadelphia domiNATEors and the St. Louis Saints. The St. Louis Saints receive Sonny Adams, Ruben Esser, Draft Pick - 1984 Round 5 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1984 Round 4 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1984 Round 3 (PHI), Draft Pick - 1984 Round 2 (PHI) from the Philadelphia domiNATEors in exchange for Walter Partenheimer.
Player card for this trade:
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=4920463
Starting later today on the game side at www.simdynasty.com, you should see a popup window asking for your opinion. If 66% of the owners who vote, vote to overturn, we will reverse the trade. Owners involved in the trade are not eligible to vote. Voting will go through until at least Thursday.
See this thread for info on this process:
http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=146616
We will also included a 3rd parties unbiased opinion of the deal. This is from barterer2002, who only looked at the trade itself and has no knowledge of who owns the teams. I have asked him to post that here when he gets a minute. The reason we ask barterer to give an opinion is because of past complaints in other trade protest proceedings where owners felt that someone should give an unbiased opinion of the deal. Of course, I don't want to touch that myself so that's why we bring in barterer to give an opinion. You can do whatever you like with his opinion.
Tyson
barterer2002
Philadelphia gets Walter Partenheimer an OS25 A-/B hitter who plays all three OF positions. As a hitter he's going to be solid. At this age I'd usually add about 1.25 grades per attribute which means he'll be somewhere between A/B+ and A+/A- (low end of each). That's a solid hitter that can play on many playoff teams. At his age he'll have 10 years of good production. For some reason St. Louis had soured on him using him primarily as a pinch hitter/4th outfielder last season and demoting him, at least briefly, to the minors this year.
In return St. Louis gets Sonny Adams an OS28 LF with some power but no contact (D/A and C-/A+). He'll hit some home runs but he isn't going to improve at his age so essentially what you see is what you get. Given a full season of playing time (500 ABs or so) he'll hit 25 Home runs (+/- 5) but also bat in the Dave Kingman range. He's probably best used as a reserve/pinch hitter when you need a long ball.
St. Louis also gets Ruben Esser an OS25 OF with good contact and poor power (A/C-). Like Partenheimer he'll grow a bit so I'd expect, with full playing time, that his contact should reach A+ with C power. He won't be close to the hitter Partenheimer is because his power is so much lower.
Finally St. Louis gets some fluff draft picks. The second has some value (I usually trade mine for 34 or 35 year old one year rentals) the 3rd 4th and 5th are useless in any league that uses traditional CP distribution. Not to say that you can't, on a rare occassion develop one of these players but its such a crap shoot that they're not worth anything in trades.
So essentially we have 2 back up outfielders for a starting outfielder with a second thrown in for some added value.
On the other hand, we're looking at a team in St. Louis that had given up on Partenheimer even after his .300 season two years ago.
Its also interersting to note that Esser was waived by St. Louis on 4/1, acquired by PHL on 4/5 and traded back to StL on 4/6 and is currently in the minors. Clearly not an important part of the deal.
That brings us to Partenheimer for Adams and fluff which makes it a much more puzzling deal from STL side.
If this is a situation with two vet owners I'd tend to allow it simply because I like to allow owners to make their own mistakes, however one of the banes of SD is the sharks that prey on new owners and if that is the case here (and I don't know the owners involved in this one so that's an issue the league has to decide) I'd overturn it.
January 20, 2009 at 03:55PM View BBCode
OK lets see what we've got herePhiladelphia gets Walter Partenheimer an OS25 A-/B hitter who plays all three OF positions. As a hitter he's going to be solid. At this age I'd usually add about 1.25 grades per attribute which means he'll be somewhere between A/B+ and A+/A- (low end of each). That's a solid hitter that can play on many playoff teams. At his age he'll have 10 years of good production. For some reason St. Louis had soured on him using him primarily as a pinch hitter/4th outfielder last season and demoting him, at least briefly, to the minors this year.
In return St. Louis gets Sonny Adams an OS28 LF with some power but no contact (D/A and C-/A+). He'll hit some home runs but he isn't going to improve at his age so essentially what you see is what you get. Given a full season of playing time (500 ABs or so) he'll hit 25 Home runs (+/- 5) but also bat in the Dave Kingman range. He's probably best used as a reserve/pinch hitter when you need a long ball.
St. Louis also gets Ruben Esser an OS25 OF with good contact and poor power (A/C-). Like Partenheimer he'll grow a bit so I'd expect, with full playing time, that his contact should reach A+ with C power. He won't be close to the hitter Partenheimer is because his power is so much lower.
Finally St. Louis gets some fluff draft picks. The second has some value (I usually trade mine for 34 or 35 year old one year rentals) the 3rd 4th and 5th are useless in any league that uses traditional CP distribution. Not to say that you can't, on a rare occassion develop one of these players but its such a crap shoot that they're not worth anything in trades.
So essentially we have 2 back up outfielders for a starting outfielder with a second thrown in for some added value.
On the other hand, we're looking at a team in St. Louis that had given up on Partenheimer even after his .300 season two years ago.
Its also interersting to note that Esser was waived by St. Louis on 4/1, acquired by PHL on 4/5 and traded back to StL on 4/6 and is currently in the minors. Clearly not an important part of the deal.
That brings us to Partenheimer for Adams and fluff which makes it a much more puzzling deal from STL side.
If this is a situation with two vet owners I'd tend to allow it simply because I like to allow owners to make their own mistakes, however one of the banes of SD is the sharks that prey on new owners and if that is the case here (and I don't know the owners involved in this one so that's an issue the league has to decide) I'd overturn it.
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The deal will be reversed shortly.
Tyson
January 22, 2009 at 03:31PM View BBCode
We had 12 people vote, 10 voted to overturn. Even if the other 2 guys voted to let this stand, we'd have the required 66%.The deal will be reversed shortly.
Tyson
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