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Casius
If you're a team in contention, why would you not make a deal for a great, albeit aging player, if it will separate you from the herd?
Again, this question is inspired by recent unsuccessful attempts to send aging pitchers to potential playoff teams. If you have a chance to challenge for the playoffs, why would you not try to bring on a star player? Like everyone else, I won't trade away all my youth in order to win in a given year. I'm not proposing that anyone do that, but, as an example, looking at the NL last year, a deal or two would have cleared up the jumble. A deal or two could have meant that Milwaukee,or even Brooklyn, would make it to the playoffs instead of Cincy or it could have meant that it wouldn't have been so close for Cincy, but no deal was done, which I find odd. I mean Cincy won it all but almost didn't make the playoffs.
Since we're paying money to host a team, I find it odd that owners don't try harder to win. I will close by saying again that I, personally, am not angry owners not dealing with me and I'm not trying to pressure a team into dealing, I see this in another league as well and wanted to have a discussion on the topic, which I will likely raise in the other league as well. I'm just trying to generate a discussion.
By the way, congrats to Cincy on winning it all last season.
Mike
[Edited on 7-18-2007 by Casius]
Potential Playoff Teams
July 18, 2007 at 02:44PM View BBCode
Hey all, given my recent attempts at trying to execute a trade, I wanted to raise a question and have a discussion about a couple things. First, let me say that I'm not angry at not being able to get a deal done ... my team will be fine.If you're a team in contention, why would you not make a deal for a great, albeit aging player, if it will separate you from the herd?
Again, this question is inspired by recent unsuccessful attempts to send aging pitchers to potential playoff teams. If you have a chance to challenge for the playoffs, why would you not try to bring on a star player? Like everyone else, I won't trade away all my youth in order to win in a given year. I'm not proposing that anyone do that, but, as an example, looking at the NL last year, a deal or two would have cleared up the jumble. A deal or two could have meant that Milwaukee,or even Brooklyn, would make it to the playoffs instead of Cincy or it could have meant that it wouldn't have been so close for Cincy, but no deal was done, which I find odd. I mean Cincy won it all but almost didn't make the playoffs.
Since we're paying money to host a team, I find it odd that owners don't try harder to win. I will close by saying again that I, personally, am not angry owners not dealing with me and I'm not trying to pressure a team into dealing, I see this in another league as well and wanted to have a discussion on the topic, which I will likely raise in the other league as well. I'm just trying to generate a discussion.
By the way, congrats to Cincy on winning it all last season.
Mike
[Edited on 7-18-2007 by Casius]
Bingle
July 18, 2007 at 05:08PM View BBCode
For me to trade my top starting pitching prospect, I need a guy who will virtually guarantee me that I'll come out on top. The pitcher you offered was not that guy.
kaliayev
The big problem about trading in the MOL is that there are so many teams rebuilding and not enough competing. Not that this is really anyones fault. The lack of talent leaves a lot of teams with many holes to fill and just adding one or two vets is not going to make them competitive right now. This is especially true in the AL. On the other hand I do see a reluctence on teams to part with players. Even guys who they are not playing and just end up letting rot. Just my op.
[Edited on 7-18-2007 by kaliayev]
July 18, 2007 at 11:54PM View BBCode
I had the same problem last season. About mid point of the season I was so frustrared with my team that I was looking to do a complete rebuild. I only had 1 good deal worked out and 1 decent deal that an owner was leaving on the table. And for the most part I had some guys with a lot of years left. Decided the one deal was not worth the attemt so I scrapped the rebuild. Funny how it worked out, my guys caught fire at the right time I guess.The big problem about trading in the MOL is that there are so many teams rebuilding and not enough competing. Not that this is really anyones fault. The lack of talent leaves a lot of teams with many holes to fill and just adding one or two vets is not going to make them competitive right now. This is especially true in the AL. On the other hand I do see a reluctence on teams to part with players. Even guys who they are not playing and just end up letting rot. Just my op.
[Edited on 7-18-2007 by kaliayev]
anchoragegm
I could trade away my young talent now and have a juggernaut for 3 years and totally rebuild but I am trying to not have to do that. I took over this team last year because I saw it had a great team set up for 3/4 years. The challenge to me is to maintain it after that.
No offense taken either. I have done exactly what you have said in other leagues. Cashed in to win a title now, knowing I have no shot in a year or two and will need to completely rebuild. Just not where I am at now.
July 19, 2007 at 12:09AM View BBCode
I think it depends on where that team sees themself. I feel personally that my yeam has a very good nucleus and should be a playoff contender all year long. I want to maintain that by slowly adding the young players I have into my lineup to keep winning now and in the future.I could trade away my young talent now and have a juggernaut for 3 years and totally rebuild but I am trying to not have to do that. I took over this team last year because I saw it had a great team set up for 3/4 years. The challenge to me is to maintain it after that.
No offense taken either. I have done exactly what you have said in other leagues. Cashed in to win a title now, knowing I have no shot in a year or two and will need to completely rebuild. Just not where I am at now.
nellycooter
July 20, 2007 at 08:48AM View BBCode
I think I speak for all AL owners when I say, the only two contending teams are Chicago and Baltimore. So Im holding on to my only pitching prospect
Casius
In another league, because of this phenomenon, I took a perennial cellar-dweller that finished in last place in the league, turned it into the first-place team the following season, and won the WS in year 5 as owner based on a number of year 1 trades and subsequent drafts and trades. I may have a slight year 7 (next season) slump as I inject four excellent, but young, prospects I have been developing in my minor league system. I should be able to compete well for a WS victory this year as well. I will likely supplement the four prospects with vets that I should easily be able to pick up from other teams and will compete for the WS again in year 8.
Also, I do think that as leagues age trading diminishes quite a bit. Owners establish a core and deviate little ... there tends to be a fear of rocking the boat. Plus, you have a lot of owners who have come in at discounted prices and are willing to take a longer time to strengthen their team. Some owners, as they realize they are on their way out adopt (and some even come in with) an I don't care attitude, which is strange given that they're paying money to play.
Anyway, thanks for the conversation.
July 20, 2007 at 03:53PM View BBCode
I'm glad that there weren't any angry responses because I definitely didn't mean to attack anyone. I was just looking to have a discussion.In another league, because of this phenomenon, I took a perennial cellar-dweller that finished in last place in the league, turned it into the first-place team the following season, and won the WS in year 5 as owner based on a number of year 1 trades and subsequent drafts and trades. I may have a slight year 7 (next season) slump as I inject four excellent, but young, prospects I have been developing in my minor league system. I should be able to compete well for a WS victory this year as well. I will likely supplement the four prospects with vets that I should easily be able to pick up from other teams and will compete for the WS again in year 8.
Also, I do think that as leagues age trading diminishes quite a bit. Owners establish a core and deviate little ... there tends to be a fear of rocking the boat. Plus, you have a lot of owners who have come in at discounted prices and are willing to take a longer time to strengthen their team. Some owners, as they realize they are on their way out adopt (and some even come in with) an I don't care attitude, which is strange given that they're paying money to play.
Anyway, thanks for the conversation.
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