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AngelBear_OH
[Edited on 7-5-2006 by AngelBear_OH]
[Edited on 7-5-2006 by AngelBear_OH]
Need league opinions...
July 05, 2006 at 01:27AM View BBCode
I need a league vote to reverse a trade I made with the Pittsburgh Muppets. I've just been to a chat with youngallstar, and he tells me I made a real boneheaded "hanging the queen" mistake taking their draft picks #2 through #5 for my #1. Please don't let any grass grow on this. The season's almost over.[Edited on 7-5-2006 by AngelBear_OH]
[Edited on 7-5-2006 by AngelBear_OH]
youngallstar
But when Angel told me that he traded away his first round pick for draft picks 2nd - 5th I was surprised because he didnt even get another first in return. I was doubly surprised when I heard what his record was, 43-110. This is clearly an extremely lopsided trade and I asked Angel to post on the league board to see how other owners in the league felt about the deal and if they thought a reversal was in order. I realize that new owners have to go through a learning process by taking a few hits in their first trades but this deal might be a little too much to be overlooked as simply "the new guy taking his licks". Angel desperately needs that pick to help his floundering team and he gave it up for basically nothing ( well, if the draft class is really deep he might be able to find something of use with that 2nd pick . . . )
Anyways, sorry if this is seen as an outsider butting into your league, but I think I am doing the right thing by trying to help Angel out.
[Edited on 7-5-2006 by youngallstar]
July 05, 2006 at 01:33AM View BBCode
I am not in this league so I hope my posting here is not looked down upon by league members . .But when Angel told me that he traded away his first round pick for draft picks 2nd - 5th I was surprised because he didnt even get another first in return. I was doubly surprised when I heard what his record was, 43-110. This is clearly an extremely lopsided trade and I asked Angel to post on the league board to see how other owners in the league felt about the deal and if they thought a reversal was in order. I realize that new owners have to go through a learning process by taking a few hits in their first trades but this deal might be a little too much to be overlooked as simply "the new guy taking his licks". Angel desperately needs that pick to help his floundering team and he gave it up for basically nothing ( well, if the draft class is really deep he might be able to find something of use with that 2nd pick . . . )
Anyways, sorry if this is seen as an outsider butting into your league, but I think I am doing the right thing by trying to help Angel out.
[Edited on 7-5-2006 by youngallstar]
shackerly
as far as i am concerned, the trade happened before we even knew anything about the prospects. The highest ranked player could have been real crappy compared to the sweet guy available. There is no trade vote process (which I feel should be included) in this league. I will strongly bet that every team in this league would like to take a trade back, but can't. Even though this trade might not seem fair, it would not be fair for this one team to get a "redo" when the rest of us would accept an "oh well"
I would suggest that we try to get this site to addopt an vote trade option.
July 05, 2006 at 03:51AM View BBCode
Well I have never seen anything like this...in any sort of baseball league that I've been apart of. someone agreeing to a trade and then wanting to take it back and calling "mulligan".as far as i am concerned, the trade happened before we even knew anything about the prospects. The highest ranked player could have been real crappy compared to the sweet guy available. There is no trade vote process (which I feel should be included) in this league. I will strongly bet that every team in this league would like to take a trade back, but can't. Even though this trade might not seem fair, it would not be fair for this one team to get a "redo" when the rest of us would accept an "oh well"
I would suggest that we try to get this site to addopt an vote trade option.
AngelBear_OH
I looked under Draft Pick Trades under News, and I found out where I might not be so bad off after all. As it stands, While Pittsburgh has the #1 pick overall, I still have Pittsbugh's and Philadelphia's #1 picks, my and Pittsburgh's #2 picks, and my, Pittsburgh's, and Philadelphia's #3 picks (that's the way I understand the chart). After that, we're talking players worthy only of the Waiver Wire, if what I read on the subject holds true.
July 05, 2006 at 05:30AM View BBCode
Not to belittle youngallstar or his 15 victories, but I still found his talk of the importance of the #1 pick still hard to fathom. He speaks of the first guy taken in the draft as though he must surely be a superman who's capable of dragging his team kicking and screaming into the World Series. I didn't think any one player could ever be that good, so I took the deal for Pittsburgh's #2 through #5. I didn't know at the time that it would only overpopulate my roster.I looked under Draft Pick Trades under News, and I found out where I might not be so bad off after all. As it stands, While Pittsburgh has the #1 pick overall, I still have Pittsbugh's and Philadelphia's #1 picks, my and Pittsburgh's #2 picks, and my, Pittsburgh's, and Philadelphia's #3 picks (that's the way I understand the chart). After that, we're talking players worthy only of the Waiver Wire, if what I read on the subject holds true.
sycophantman
I don't mean to butt into something that doesn't concern me, but trading a first round pick that is going to end up being a top ten pick, at least, for picks to rounds 2-5 is truly a rip-off, only one person truly benefits from this deal...
July 05, 2006 at 10:28AM View BBCode
The key to this game is the quality of the players you have, not how many you got. With a limited minors and with the development system in place the only way to get better is to have as high a quality player you can manage at every position you can. An A overall SP is worth at least 3 B+ SP of a similar age, if only because the A overall is much, much rarer.I don't mean to butt into something that doesn't concern me, but trading a first round pick that is going to end up being a top ten pick, at least, for picks to rounds 2-5 is truly a rip-off, only one person truly benefits from this deal...
hayward
One would think that the trade would not be that bad. The problem is most draft pools are not that deep where most 3rd-5th round picks are worth anything.
So basically you traded your 1st for his 2nd.
I am not opposed to having a league vote on trades, but think that we would need this to be a private league instead of a dynasty in order to do so.
July 05, 2006 at 10:53AM View BBCode
I don't think a trade reversal is going to happen.One would think that the trade would not be that bad. The problem is most draft pools are not that deep where most 3rd-5th round picks are worth anything.
So basically you traded your 1st for his 2nd.
I am not opposed to having a league vote on trades, but think that we would need this to be a private league instead of a dynasty in order to do so.
barterer2002
There is indeed a site policy to prevent such a horrendously lopsided trade and the administration can and does reverse such trades when appropriate. I clearly think that they should in this case as trading a first round pick (which projects as a high first round pick) for picks in the 2-5 rounds is essentially giving away the picks for naught.
July 05, 2006 at 12:14PM View BBCode
Obviously there is no question here that Angelbear got swindled. His trading partner took advantage of a new owner who didn't quite understand what was going on.There is indeed a site policy to prevent such a horrendously lopsided trade and the administration can and does reverse such trades when appropriate. I clearly think that they should in this case as trading a first round pick (which projects as a high first round pick) for picks in the 2-5 rounds is essentially giving away the picks for naught.
nbn_ckh3
July 05, 2006 at 01:21PM View BBCode
Sorry to butt in.... but Angelbear was hosed big-time here. I hope Tyson reverses this one, and the offender plays it fair next time.
baseballpurist
July 05, 2006 at 02:02PM View BBCode
what? that wasn't the deal we made. i gave him all my picks including my 1st rounder and the deal was made before the draft pool was populated and i was floundering in the middle of the pack. he'll still get the 7th overall pick if the season ended today and the draft pool is actually deep this year so he can get some talent with those picks. now, i think the draft is like a lottery and i happened to win it this year. what if the pool was crappy (like usual) and i would have had to take a 17 year old project with the #1 overall pick, will anybody have felt sorry for me that i rolled the dice and it came up snake eyes? i offered him the deal because i felt i had three guys in the minors that could use atleast another year of seasoning and was hoping to grab an older player that would immediately help my team. this is my 2nd year in the RJL and i've made bonehead deals also (traded prince fielder for some sorry vets among them), did anyone come to my defense or did i protest? i think not, now i think you all who want to help angelbear out can do so by helping draft the correct players instead of claiming i hosed a newbie because guess what i only have 1 more simD year experience than him and had to learn the ropes by reading almost every post, studying the rules and practically obsessed about improving over this game. so the facts are i traded my #1 through 5 picks ( #1 being 7th overall if the season eneded today and could of been as high as 5th at the time we made the deal) for his #1. now if someone offered you the deal to drop down 4 slots and gain his 2nd through 5 picks, doesn't sound that bad, huh? in hindsight he probably should've waited until the draft pool was populated, but then if it sucked i wouldn'tbhave done the deal. so, ok i'll reverse the trade if st. louis gives me back fielder. what do you think hayward?
youngallstar
I would not have traded his first for yours just to gain a second round pick. That being said, this deal is nowhere near as lopsided as it first sounded. I was unaware that you gave him your first round pick as part of the deal :lol:
July 05, 2006 at 03:59PM View BBCode
Originally posted by baseballpurist
what? that wasn't the deal we made. i gave him all my picks including my 1st rounder and the deal was made before the draft pool was populated and i was floundering in the middle of the pack.
I would not have traded his first for yours just to gain a second round pick. That being said, this deal is nowhere near as lopsided as it first sounded. I was unaware that you gave him your first round pick as part of the deal :lol:
AngelBear_OH
I apologize for misleading you. I was looking back over the Completed Trades, and I missed getting his 1st pick. We'll talk more about it at the New Owners' Chat at 6:00 EDT tonight.
July 05, 2006 at 04:45PM View BBCode
Originally posted by youngallstar
I would not have traded his first for yours just to gain a second round pick. That being said, this deal is nowhere near as lopsided as it first sounded. I was unaware that you gave him your first round pick as part of the deal :lol:
I apologize for misleading you. I was looking back over the Completed Trades, and I missed getting his 1st pick. We'll talk more about it at the New Owners' Chat at 6:00 EDT tonight.
sycophantman
Lies make the baby Jesus cry, angelbear...
July 05, 2006 at 08:31PM View BBCode
We've all been played!Lies make the baby Jesus cry, angelbear...
Jet
That being said, I don't see a problem with this trade really. Would I have made it? Probably not, but maybe. It depends on how deep the draft is and what I needed/had. It's the #1 overall pick for the #6 or #7, and the #22 or #23 (plus some garbage picks). Which isn't terrible if you need two minor league projects and don't have room to play the 21+ something guy who is at the top and might not be a super stud anyway.
July 05, 2006 at 10:52PM View BBCode
There is something of a fine line with reversing trades. In some respect, owners who make bad decisions should have to live and learn from those mistakes. As long as the owner who made the bad trade sticks it out with their team for awhile, it's not a big deal. It depends on how good the other team gets and how this upsets the balance of the league because of the trade. It's not really fair to the teams that work hard to build for several seasons and then get beaten by a team who got good from swindling other owners.That being said, I don't see a problem with this trade really. Would I have made it? Probably not, but maybe. It depends on how deep the draft is and what I needed/had. It's the #1 overall pick for the #6 or #7, and the #22 or #23 (plus some garbage picks). Which isn't terrible if you need two minor league projects and don't have room to play the 21+ something guy who is at the top and might not be a super stud anyway.
barterer2002
That does change things a lot.
July 05, 2006 at 10:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by AngelBear_OH
I apologize for misleading you. I was looking back over the Completed Trades, and I missed getting his 1st pick. We'll talk more about it at the New Owners' Chat at 6:00 EDT tonight.
That does change things a lot.
AngelBear_OH
The important thing is I subjected baseballpurist to a blatant, baldfaced falsehood. I treated him most shamefully and irresponsibly. What I implied about him is senseless and inexcusable. I offer to him my most profuse and humble apology and promise before all of you that no such thing will ever happen again.
[Edited on 7-6-2006 by AngelBear_OH]
July 05, 2006 at 11:56PM View BBCode
Baseballpurist is absolutely right. I did get his #1 pick in exchange for my #1 pick. In fact, if you check under > News > Draft Pick Trades, you'll se that I came out with the #4 and #5 draft picks overall.The important thing is I subjected baseballpurist to a blatant, baldfaced falsehood. I treated him most shamefully and irresponsibly. What I implied about him is senseless and inexcusable. I offer to him my most profuse and humble apology and promise before all of you that no such thing will ever happen again.
[Edited on 7-6-2006 by AngelBear_OH]
youngallstar
Im sure the apology will be appreciated but never state who you might pick on the boards :o
Edit, quick!
July 06, 2006 at 12:39AM View BBCode
Originally posted by AngelBear_OH
Baseballpurist is absolutely right. I did get his #1 pick in exchange for my #1 pick. In fact, if you check under > News > Draft Pick Trades, you'll se that I came out with the #4 and #5 draft picks overall. That puts me down around to two good 17-year-olds with C control.
The important thing is I subjected baseballpurist to a blatant, baldfaced falsehood. I treated him most shamefully and irresponsibly. What I implied about him is senseless and inexcusable. I offer to him my most profuse and humble apology and promise before all of you that no such thing will ever happen again.
Im sure the apology will be appreciated but never state who you might pick on the boards :o
Edit, quick!
baseballpurist
July 06, 2006 at 03:55AM View BBCode
thank you angelbear. your apology is appreciated. i think if you look at my trade history throughout simD you'll be able to see i don't look to abuse any owner. that being said, lets put this behind us and enjoy the RJL! everyone renewed, not a single spot open! another first for me in simD.
shackerly
July 06, 2006 at 04:46AM View BBCode
Can we just get a group hug? this after school special has brought tears to my eyes.
hayward
I have not seen this much activity on this league board in at least a year.
July 06, 2006 at 11:43AM View BBCode
Maybe that is what this league needs is a bad trade ever now and again.I have not seen this much activity on this league board in at least a year.
bigmc9898
said everyone renewed that is the funny part you would think if we dont post.. we dont care .........i guess we got a bunch of quite ones:lol:
bigmc
July 06, 2006 at 02:28PM View BBCode
isnt it funny........ your right hayward i look every day to see if someone posted and never see anything ( myself included ) ......and baseballpuristsaid everyone renewed that is the funny part you would think if we dont post.. we dont care .........i guess we got a bunch of quite ones:lol:
bigmc
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