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For me that shows the largest flaw in the current improvement system-its the lack of a negative influence for abusing players. If your team isn't in the race and you've got some young pitchers its better just to get them the innings than anything else. With 150 CGs he probably had several pitchers over 300 IP which would likely bring up the chance of arm trouble in "real baseball" Here, aside from losing quite a bit for one season, it is advantageous to get your pitchers those extra innings which then turn into extra improvement chances. I'm sure we all do it, once our team is out of the race-put your youngest pitchers in the Number 1 and 2 spots in the rotation and bat your youngest players in the top three spots in the lineup. I think the biggest deterrant to this would be to cause repurcussions on players who perform terribly over long periods of time. After all there is no reason for a pitcher with a 9 ERA to get 100 innings, let alone 200 or 300 which sometimes occurrs. That pitcher shouldn't BENEFIT from those extra innings. My solution would be two-fold. One-start retiring players who have substantially subpar seasons for multiple seasons. A pitcher who has an ERA over 7 over 2 seasons shouldn't be pitching. A hitter who's average over two seasons is below .200 shouldn't be in the bits. The second part is to produce career threatening/altering injuries. Rotator cuff injuries in pitchers with high innings at a young age. Have them miss a year and a half out of their career-with no improvements during that time-and see if owners just keep running pitchers out there day after day to get shellacked. The rule book states that overusing pitchers under the age of 27 (defined as pitching them more than 200 IP) causes their health rating to go down-which doesn't deter anyone at all. I would propose that the more innings over 200 a young pitcher throws, the greater the chance they would have of developing rotator cuff problems. Throw 300 innings at age 21 and that pitcher should have a 75% chance of a major injury. Obviously the numbers would have to be figured out but the formula could be something like this:
((IP-200)*(27-age))/800. This would give a 21 year old throwing 300 innings a 75 % chance of a serious injury. A 22 year old would have a 62% chance, at age 23 it would be 50% and by age 27 it would be down to 0. If the pitcher thew 250 innings instead at age 21 he would only have a 37% chance of having the serious injury and I figure that's reasonable. In other words, the more you abuse your pitchers at a young age, the more you increase the chance of a serious injury.
November 20, 2004 at 09:20PM View BBCode
Originally posted by gmclaws
In the HCL we had a owner with 150 complete games for a season. You can't tell me he wasn't overpitching his pitchers.
For me that shows the largest flaw in the current improvement system-its the lack of a negative influence for abusing players. If your team isn't in the race and you've got some young pitchers its better just to get them the innings than anything else. With 150 CGs he probably had several pitchers over 300 IP which would likely bring up the chance of arm trouble in "real baseball" Here, aside from losing quite a bit for one season, it is advantageous to get your pitchers those extra innings which then turn into extra improvement chances. I'm sure we all do it, once our team is out of the race-put your youngest pitchers in the Number 1 and 2 spots in the rotation and bat your youngest players in the top three spots in the lineup. I think the biggest deterrant to this would be to cause repurcussions on players who perform terribly over long periods of time. After all there is no reason for a pitcher with a 9 ERA to get 100 innings, let alone 200 or 300 which sometimes occurrs. That pitcher shouldn't BENEFIT from those extra innings. My solution would be two-fold. One-start retiring players who have substantially subpar seasons for multiple seasons. A pitcher who has an ERA over 7 over 2 seasons shouldn't be pitching. A hitter who's average over two seasons is below .200 shouldn't be in the bits. The second part is to produce career threatening/altering injuries. Rotator cuff injuries in pitchers with high innings at a young age. Have them miss a year and a half out of their career-with no improvements during that time-and see if owners just keep running pitchers out there day after day to get shellacked. The rule book states that overusing pitchers under the age of 27 (defined as pitching them more than 200 IP) causes their health rating to go down-which doesn't deter anyone at all. I would propose that the more innings over 200 a young pitcher throws, the greater the chance they would have of developing rotator cuff problems. Throw 300 innings at age 21 and that pitcher should have a 75% chance of a major injury. Obviously the numbers would have to be figured out but the formula could be something like this:
((IP-200)*(27-age))/800. This would give a 21 year old throwing 300 innings a 75 % chance of a serious injury. A 22 year old would have a 62% chance, at age 23 it would be 50% and by age 27 it would be down to 0. If the pitcher thew 250 innings instead at age 21 he would only have a 37% chance of having the serious injury and I figure that's reasonable. In other words, the more you abuse your pitchers at a young age, the more you increase the chance of a serious injury.
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