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redcped
So since you brought up this example, let me ask:
The starting CF on that team, Clarke, is a worthless OS28 player with B- range. Both Franco and Flanigan have A or A+ range.
To me it's a no-brainer that Franco should be playing and Clarke should be benched.
Can the bot grasp that type of situation where positions are easily switched and the team is much better off? That's as easy a move as a defensive player can make.
[Edited on 3-16-2014 by redcped]
March 16, 2014 at 09:51PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Admin
I also have just made adjustments to how it sets the starting lineups. It should produce a decent starting lineup that is geared toward player development. A good example is http://www.simdynasty.com/roster.jsp?hand=r&teamid=8549 where it is starting Flanigan over Franco in RF; Franco is the better player but Flanigan needs the playing time more.
Chris
So since you brought up this example, let me ask:
The starting CF on that team, Clarke, is a worthless OS28 player with B- range. Both Franco and Flanigan have A or A+ range.
To me it's a no-brainer that Franco should be playing and Clarke should be benched.
Can the bot grasp that type of situation where positions are easily switched and the team is much better off? That's as easy a move as a defensive player can make.
[Edited on 3-16-2014 by redcped]
Jughead
Criminy do we really need DynastyBots? I can spend five minutes a day maintaining a team till someone buys it. I'm really good at keeping teams from winning in any case.
March 16, 2014 at 11:13PM View BBCode
(I'll freely admit I didn't read the entire thread.)Criminy do we really need DynastyBots? I can spend five minutes a day maintaining a team till someone buys it. I'm really good at keeping teams from winning in any case.
Admin
It does take into account alternate fielding skills. Just like draft settings, occasionally a player's math will make him look like more than the sum of his parts when he is actually less.
The logic is similar to the way replacements are made in the football sim, in that it makes multiple passes, starting with an ideal player type and lowering its standards each pass until all slots are filled.
In this case, Clarke barely happened to qualify on the pass he was selected on; the next pass would have selected Franco. I am continuing to tweak the numbers, but on the other hand the bot doesn't need to be TOO good, just to keep a team from rotting.
Chris
March 17, 2014 at 03:53AM View BBCode
Originally posted by redcped
So since you brought up this example, let me ask:
The starting CF on that team, Clarke, is a worthless OS28 player with B- range. Both Franco and Flanigan have A or A+ range.
To me it's a no-brainer that Franco should be playing and Clarke should be benched.
Can the bot grasp that type of situation where positions are easily switched and the team is much better off? That's as easy a move as a defensive player can make.
It does take into account alternate fielding skills. Just like draft settings, occasionally a player's math will make him look like more than the sum of his parts when he is actually less.
The logic is similar to the way replacements are made in the football sim, in that it makes multiple passes, starting with an ideal player type and lowering its standards each pass until all slots are filled.
In this case, Clarke barely happened to qualify on the pass he was selected on; the next pass would have selected Franco. I am continuing to tweak the numbers, but on the other hand the bot doesn't need to be TOO good, just to keep a team from rotting.
Chris
MonkeyMook
March 17, 2014 at 05:08AM View BBCode
Not a fan of the Bots. The community of players is what makes the game fun.... This does not feel like an improvement. I will hold judgement, but I may reduce a couple of teams until I know if this is a positive move or not.
Admin
Chris
March 17, 2014 at 06:11AM View BBCode
Of course we prefer to have every team run by an owner, but having a team run by a bot is better than allowing the team to go unmanned and get worse, because then that team gets harder to sell, worsening the problem.Chris
Jughead
Considering most new GMs trade everything away as soon as they get there anyway, I think the most important value is keeping the minors at 20-25 so a new GM can experiment with a few things before dropping players.
March 17, 2014 at 09:25PM View BBCode
Do we know that disorganized teams are harder to sell? I picked up a chaperoned team recently because it was discounted, and it was equally annoying to reshape the team in my own image via the waiver wire. The only difference to me was that the roster was smaller (but not better) and I had a ton of traded-for draft picks that I won't be able to develop.Considering most new GMs trade everything away as soon as they get there anyway, I think the most important value is keeping the minors at 20-25 so a new GM can experiment with a few things before dropping players.
Admin
Chris
March 18, 2014 at 08:08AM View BBCode
The problem with disorganized teams is that players tend to lose some of their best development years without picking up IC's or coach points.Chris
Admin
Chris
March 18, 2014 at 08:31AM View BBCode
The bot is now claiming and waiving players and moving them between the majors and minors; this should fix up the teams with poor autoclaimed players on their major league rosters.Chris
Admin
Tyson
March 18, 2014 at 06:53PM View BBCode
Just my opinion, but why take them off? You say time from time you will give them away but at least extend the time period. I don't want to play against some DynastyBot.The underlying premise is that when teams aren't selling, it means we have too many teams/leagues. So we need a mechanism to pare leagues down. We need a way to decrease the supply of available teams.
Tyson
Admin
To date, the good of the individual league was put ahead of the good of all other leagues. For example, a subscription league with undesirable league rules, no activity, or other fatal flaws could waste value real estate on the For Sale page while looking for a new owner. This hurts every other league looking for a new owner.
Tyson
March 18, 2014 at 07:02PM View BBCode
Criminy do we really need DynastyBots? I can spend five minutes a day maintaining a team till someone buys it. I'm really good at keeping teams from winning in any case.Once a team has been on the for sale list for 1 month, it will no longer be eligible for purchase and we don't want a chaperone running the team indefinitely.
Not a fan of the Bots. The community of players is what makes the game fun.... This does not feel like an improvement. I will hold judgement, but I may reduce a couple of teams until I know if this is a positive move or not.Well I hope that you will enjoy the side effects of the bots, that is really the point. If you're in a term league, hopefully you won't have to be on pause waiting for new owners anymore. Or maybe someday we'll even be able to start a new league again! The other benefit, a league that we might have folded can now stay alive without harming other leagues.
To date, the good of the individual league was put ahead of the good of all other leagues. For example, a subscription league with undesirable league rules, no activity, or other fatal flaws could waste value real estate on the For Sale page while looking for a new owner. This hurts every other league looking for a new owner.
Tyson
Jughead
I love economics debates. I would say what we could also use is a way to increase the demand of available teams. This isn't a supply-side problem unless we want it to be.
To the point about player development, yes, the growth of those particular players is stunted, but all it does is give new GMs more flexibility in creating a team in their own image. When you take over a good team, you're stuck with average picks unless you rebuild.
Now, if the codebits had feelings, then yes, I would agree that underdevelopment is horrible for their psyche, not to mention they get a full pension despite not being set up for success.
March 19, 2014 at 06:25PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Admin
Just my opinion, but why take them off? You say time from time you will give them away but at least extend the time period. I don't want to play against some DynastyBot.The underlying premise is that when teams aren't selling, it means we have too many teams/leagues. So we need a mechanism to pare leagues down. We need a way to decrease the supply of available teams.
Tyson
I love economics debates. I would say what we could also use is a way to increase the demand of available teams. This isn't a supply-side problem unless we want it to be.
To the point about player development, yes, the growth of those particular players is stunted, but all it does is give new GMs more flexibility in creating a team in their own image. When you take over a good team, you're stuck with average picks unless you rebuild.
Now, if the codebits had feelings, then yes, I would agree that underdevelopment is horrible for their psyche, not to mention they get a full pension despite not being set up for success.
Admin
Tyson
March 19, 2014 at 06:28PM View BBCode
I love economics debates. I would say what we could also use is a way to increase the demand of available teams. This isn't a supply-side problem unless we want it to be.Yes, that is our next focus. Not only drawing in more people to the site in general, but converting more people to the pay leagues.
Tyson
direc111
March 23, 2014 at 08:45PM View BBCode
what is the job description for being commish and is it fairly simple ??
Mongrel
That's a silly argument. You can look over the roster of any team in any league. So a buyer looking for a rebuild project would look for a good candidate.
It's not a blind process where you buy a team and suddenly realize you're a playoff contender with low draft picks.
March 23, 2014 at 10:38PM View BBCode
To the point about player development, yes, the growth of those particular players is stunted, but all it does is give new GMs more flexibility in creating a team in their own image. When you take over a good team, you're stuck with average picks unless you rebuild.
Now, if the codebits had feelings, then yes, I would agree that underdevelopment is horrible for their psyche, not to mention they get a full pension despite not being set up for success.
That's a silly argument. You can look over the roster of any team in any league. So a buyer looking for a rebuild project would look for a good candidate.
It's not a blind process where you buy a team and suddenly realize you're a playoff contender with low draft picks.
Jughead
March 24, 2014 at 05:32AM View BBCode
Granted, people may review rosters before selecting one, but it is a different argument altogether to say a potential GM would select NO team because they all suck. Most new GMs gut a team when they take it over anyway. There aren't a lot of opportunists that play SD.
dabigtrain
In that event, will the players from the DynastyBot teams cease to exist, or be spread around the new league by a dispersal draft?
March 24, 2014 at 04:47PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Admin
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Once a league has 3-4 DynastyBots, we will work with the league to either decrease the size of the league to 12, combine it with another league to make a 24 team league, or fold the league alltogether.
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In that event, will the players from the DynastyBot teams cease to exist, or be spread around the new league by a dispersal draft?
Admin
Tyson
March 25, 2014 at 07:49PM View BBCode
In that event, will the players from the DynastyBot teams cease to exist, or be spread around the new league by a dispersal draft?The players will retire.
Tyson
BKCUBS13
If we were able to allow chaperones to still manage teams, then let bots manage teams that are not chaperoned, then this could work.
Once a chaperone wants to move in on a team with a bot, then let them, and get rid of the bot.
A bot can not replace the intuitiveness of a chaperone..
Nor will a bot fix the problems of a team that has been ravaged by a "jumping around owner", which is really the main issue.
[Edited on 4-3-2014 by BKCUBS13]
April 03, 2014 at 04:55PM View BBCode
Bots may be the worst idea in Sim Dynasty History... if it is being used the way it seems it will be.If we were able to allow chaperones to still manage teams, then let bots manage teams that are not chaperoned, then this could work.
Once a chaperone wants to move in on a team with a bot, then let them, and get rid of the bot.
A bot can not replace the intuitiveness of a chaperone..
Nor will a bot fix the problems of a team that has been ravaged by a "jumping around owner", which is really the main issue.
[Edited on 4-3-2014 by BKCUBS13]
Admin
Here's the thing, once the DynastyBot takes over we will no longer be looking to sell the team. The team had its chance to sell, now for the good of the entire site it is time to move on. So if we move a chaperone in place, they will have control of the team for a long, long time. This may be better for the league, but it is not better for the rest of the site.
Tyson
April 03, 2014 at 09:52PM View BBCode
Bots may be the worst idea in Sim Dynasty History... if it is being used the way it seems it will be.
If we were able to allow chaperones to still manage teams, then let bots manage teams that are not chaperoned, then this could work.
Once a chaperone wants to move in on a team with a bot, then let them, and get rid of the bot.
A bot can not replace the intuitiveness of a chaperone..
Nor will a bot fix the problems of a team that has been ravaged by a "jumping around owner", which is really the main issue.
Here's the thing, once the DynastyBot takes over we will no longer be looking to sell the team. The team had its chance to sell, now for the good of the entire site it is time to move on. So if we move a chaperone in place, they will have control of the team for a long, long time. This may be better for the league, but it is not better for the rest of the site.
Tyson
BKCUBS13
April 03, 2014 at 10:40PM View BBCode
I'm confused Tyson, once a bot goes in the team is no longer available for purchase? ever?
Admin
April 03, 2014 at 10:46PM View BBCode
Yes, from the original post:In addition, any Subscription Speed league teams that go unsold for 1 month will be put under control of the DynastyBot, removed from the sale list, and can no longer be purchased. Though we may give away these teams for free from time to time as part of promotions. We will start to enforce this policy in the next week or two.
BKCUBS13
http://www.simdynasty.com/depth.jsp?teamid=103208
I chaperoned this team, and it was looking pretty good, and then this happens. way to go guys.
April 15, 2014 at 12:29PM View BBCode
And.... Dynasty Bots still suck.http://www.simdynasty.com/depth.jsp?teamid=103208
I chaperoned this team, and it was looking pretty good, and then this happens. way to go guys.
paulcaraccio
April 15, 2014 at 06:46PM View BBCode
it hurts to see those young arms being misused, but they are better than what else is there in the minors. Since no human will ever again own this team, and nobody can trade for its' players, i guess it doesn't really matter. shame to see those youngins go to waste though.
Admin
The problem here is that the team is loaded with younger pitchers, so there are four pitchers 19 and under in the majors who would benefit by being in the minors. A human owner would pull a couple of veteran scrubs off the wire to put those two kids in the minors, or put the worse kids in so the better kids could benefit from the CP's. I'll see if there is something I can do to recognize this situation and deal with it appropriately.
Chris
[Edited on 4-15-2014 by Admin]
April 15, 2014 at 06:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
it hurts to see those young arms being misused, but they are better than what else is there in the minors. Since no human will ever again own this team, and nobody can trade for its' players, i guess it doesn't really matter. shame to see those youngins go to waste though.
The problem here is that the team is loaded with younger pitchers, so there are four pitchers 19 and under in the majors who would benefit by being in the minors. A human owner would pull a couple of veteran scrubs off the wire to put those two kids in the minors, or put the worse kids in so the better kids could benefit from the CP's. I'll see if there is something I can do to recognize this situation and deal with it appropriately.
Chris
[Edited on 4-15-2014 by Admin]