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celamantia
Good answer!
As long as it's in the Rule Book, I think the wording on the screen is ine, although you may want to change "Check the probable pitchers" to "Check the probable pitchers on the Schedule page", as I was off looking for a new "Probable Pitchers" page.
--Chris
October 31, 2003 at 03:14PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tysonloweryHere's one I can think of, there may be others. Let's say you just completed the last day of the regular season, and are awaiting the offday before the 1st game of the playoffs. You may want your 1st pitcher to start, even though at that moment he only has 4 bars. You'll know he will have 5 bars by the time the game is played so you set him to be the next starter in your rotation.
Good answer!
Question for you guys: This doesn't actually set that pitcher to be the next pitcher in your rotation, it sets his "rotation spot" to be the next pitcher. Any ideas on how to make that more clear to people? Or is it important?
As long as it's in the Rule Book, I think the wording on the screen is ine, although you may want to change "Check the probable pitchers" to "Check the probable pitchers on the Schedule page", as I was off looking for a new "Probable Pitchers" page.
--Chris
disciple
Under the new rules an decent RP would need to have great control, good velocity AND average endurance.
If we decide to go with this new energy system for RP, I think it is important to add a way to limit the # of batters (or pitches thrown) faced. If a manager knows one of his best RP has a low endurance, he wouldn't leave him out there for more than 1 inning. In this case, my guy went 2 innings and now he's exhausted.
Ed Dresser Energy Report
Date Batters Faced
1971-07-29 7
1971-07-28 0
1971-07-27 0
1971-07-26 0
1971-07-25 0
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October 31, 2003 at 03:43PM View BBCode
I think we may have over compensated on a D- endurance RP. After facing 7 batters in the last game and not having pitched in the prior 4 days, my guy went to 1 red bar. Under the old system he has 3 bars. Once again, I think this will make D rated (or worse) RP almost useless.Under the new rules an decent RP would need to have great control, good velocity AND average endurance.
If we decide to go with this new energy system for RP, I think it is important to add a way to limit the # of batters (or pitches thrown) faced. If a manager knows one of his best RP has a low endurance, he wouldn't leave him out there for more than 1 inning. In this case, my guy went 2 innings and now he's exhausted.
Ed Dresser Energy Report
Date Batters Faced
1971-07-29 7
1971-07-28 0
1971-07-27 0
1971-07-26 0
1971-07-25 0
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tysonlowery
You could have some control over this now - by tweaking your managerial settings under Tired Pitchers for RP.
Remember, with offdays in the schedule this wouldn't be an issue about once every 6-9 games. He could face 7 guys, have an offday, then come back the next game.
October 31, 2003 at 03:54PM View BBCode
What do other people think? Should the D- guy be available to pitch in the next game? I looked him up in the database and his endurance is a 5 - one point above an F (which is 4).You could have some control over this now - by tweaking your managerial settings under Tired Pitchers for RP.
Remember, with offdays in the schedule this wouldn't be an issue about once every 6-9 games. He could face 7 guys, have an offday, then come back the next game.
celamantia
--Chris
October 31, 2003 at 04:40PM View BBCode
Maybe you just shouldn't count anything that happened 5 days ago... or if you do, use .5 or .3 as the multiplier for that day instead of 1.--Chris
Bob
Part of this depends on what happens when a guy pitches with less than full rest. How big a hit will his performance take? If he takes a fairly decent hit for pitching with 2 bars, then it makes sense for him to be available -- he just won't be at the top of his game.
This raises another issue -- should managers be able to designate a pitcher as unavailable? I may not want a guy with 2 energy bars to pitch if his performance would take a fairly big hit.
October 31, 2003 at 04:49PM View BBCode
Tough call, but I'd say he should probably be at 2 bars. Even though he has terrible endurance, I would think he could pitch 2 easy innings (7 batters) and still come back the next day.Part of this depends on what happens when a guy pitches with less than full rest. How big a hit will his performance take? If he takes a fairly decent hit for pitching with 2 bars, then it makes sense for him to be available -- he just won't be at the top of his game.
This raises another issue -- should managers be able to designate a pitcher as unavailable? I may not want a guy with 2 energy bars to pitch if his performance would take a fairly big hit.
jer2911
I agree with Chris's idea about using .5 or .3 as the multiplier for 5 days ago. I haven't done any major league pitching myself, but I have heard commentators make the comment about after a pitcher had a really hard game in their last start (130+ pitches when they are used to only going 100) they might not be in top notch condition for their next game. (And yes, I know this goes into starter logic and not relief logic, but I think it can still apply.)
October 31, 2003 at 06:53PM View BBCode
I think a D- guy should take a hit for pitching 2 days in a row. Two bars left for maybe 6 batters faced. My reasoning for this is that if you say a player with an F Power probably can't hit the ball out of the infield (ie, the majority of what the "normal" population can do) than a player with an F Endurance could probably only pitch one inning and then need a day off.I agree with Chris's idea about using .5 or .3 as the multiplier for 5 days ago. I haven't done any major league pitching myself, but I have heard commentators make the comment about after a pitcher had a really hard game in their last start (130+ pitches when they are used to only going 100) they might not be in top notch condition for their next game. (And yes, I know this goes into starter logic and not relief logic, but I think it can still apply.)
tysonlowery
I will work on a scheme for how much of a hit guys will take today and post it here for you.
November 03, 2003 at 05:42PM View BBCode
The way it is set up now, how many batters someone faced 5 days ago will only help determine whether he should be at 5 bars or 4 bars. It has no bearing on the other determinations.I will work on a scheme for how much of a hit guys will take today and post it here for you.
tysonlowery
If you are at 4 bars, you'll lose 1 point at control and velocity. 3 bars, you'll lose 3 points at each. And at 2 bars, you'll lose 6 points at each. The 3 bars is about equivalent to what it is now - relief pitchers usually lose 2-3 points when they pitched yesterday
I agree, there should be an option that says "Avoid using RP who have 2 bars of energy whenever possible" somewhere in the manager prefs. I'll see if I can add this.
I'll let you know when these changes are in effect.
[Edited on 11-3-2003 by tysonlowery]
November 03, 2003 at 06:40PM View BBCode
Okay, here is what I am thinking for penalties - keep it simple so people can understand it.If you are at 4 bars, you'll lose 1 point at control and velocity. 3 bars, you'll lose 3 points at each. And at 2 bars, you'll lose 6 points at each. The 3 bars is about equivalent to what it is now - relief pitchers usually lose 2-3 points when they pitched yesterday
I agree, there should be an option that says "Avoid using RP who have 2 bars of energy whenever possible" somewhere in the manager prefs. I'll see if I can add this.
I'll let you know when these changes are in effect.
[Edited on 11-3-2003 by tysonlowery]
Bob
I'm still wondering if we're being too harsh on low endurance pitchers. My D- endurance closer hasn't pitched in two days. Three days ago he faced 4 batters and four days ago he faced 7. He didn't pitch 5 days ago. He's at 4 energy bars; I would think that he'd be at full energy considering he only pitched the equivalent of 1 inning 3 days ago and has had two off days in a row.
November 03, 2003 at 07:31PM View BBCode
These penalties make sense to me.I'm still wondering if we're being too harsh on low endurance pitchers. My D- endurance closer hasn't pitched in two days. Three days ago he faced 4 batters and four days ago he faced 7. He didn't pitch 5 days ago. He's at 4 energy bars; I would think that he'd be at full energy considering he only pitched the equivalent of 1 inning 3 days ago and has had two off days in a row.
tysonlowery
November 03, 2003 at 09:32PM View BBCode
Okay, I lessened it very slightly for the 3rd game out. Maybe that will make guys like this fully rested.
DougB
My concern is this: it makes little difference to a great pitcher and all the difference to a mediocre pitcher. We had a C- endurance pitcher go 270 innings a few seasons ago. He did this because he had very high ratings and the owner said "never pull for fatigue". Did he get hammered? Hardly - he won the Cy and had a 2.70 ERA. Why because even when fatigued his A+ velocity and A+ control were cut down to a level that were still better than anyone else on the team. In my experience if an A+ pitcher starts to pitch like an A pitcher that is not much of a penalty, while if a B pitcher starts to pitch like a B- that is a big penalty. I know simple if nice but maybe it would be better if the ratings were -10%, -20%, etc...
January 10, 2004 at 07:43PM View BBCode
Sorry if I am out of line but I'll go ahead anyway. I see a problem with penalties being -1 or -4 or whatever to the ratings. I think you may have a similar change when a guy is fatigued.My concern is this: it makes little difference to a great pitcher and all the difference to a mediocre pitcher. We had a C- endurance pitcher go 270 innings a few seasons ago. He did this because he had very high ratings and the owner said "never pull for fatigue". Did he get hammered? Hardly - he won the Cy and had a 2.70 ERA. Why because even when fatigued his A+ velocity and A+ control were cut down to a level that were still better than anyone else on the team. In my experience if an A+ pitcher starts to pitch like an A pitcher that is not much of a penalty, while if a B pitcher starts to pitch like a B- that is a big penalty. I know simple if nice but maybe it would be better if the ratings were -10%, -20%, etc...
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