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DougB
November 30, 2006 at 03:40AM View BBCode
Fouts follows the rule? 3 years into the league he had 16 TD passes, 36 INT and a passer rating of 56. That is about the same as Ryan Leaf for god's sake,
scaffdog
yeah because SB titles have nothing to do with being good right?
November 30, 2006 at 04:59AM View BBCode
Originally posted by JollyGreenGiant
Pretty sure max meant first 3 years starting, not just being in the league in general. Not much a guy can do if he's not getting the chance..
Starr does look to be an exception, though Young and Fouts seem to follow the rule. As for Bradshaw, well, he's vastly overrated, SB titles aside.
yeah because SB titles have nothing to do with being good right?
Benne
Right.
November 30, 2006 at 09:52AM View BBCode
yeah because SB titles have nothing to do with being good right?
Right.
barterer2002
Still QBs are unduly credited with a team's success and unduly blamed for its failures. Look at the jackasses who say that Peyton Manning isn't a good QB because he's never won the super bowl
November 30, 2006 at 01:14PM View BBCode
Of course there is quite a difference from a one-time super bowl winner and a four time super bowl winner.Still QBs are unduly credited with a team's success and unduly blamed for its failures. Look at the jackasses who say that Peyton Manning isn't a good QB because he's never won the super bowl
scaffdog
November 30, 2006 at 05:34PM View BBCode
a one time SB winner on a team whose defense scored about as much as its offense is a bit different from a 4 time SB winner, 2 time SB MVP, one time League MVP who called his own plays in an era where most QBs didnt.
rkinslow19
Do you think Bradshaw was a good quarterback?
December 01, 2006 at 06:45AM View BBCode
Originally posted by scaffdog
yeah because SB titles have nothing to do with being good right?
Do you think Bradshaw was a good quarterback?
nbn_ckh3
I also think that a guy can be given credit for a team's success when all he did was not lose the games, instead of help win them.
Both sides have a point though.
December 01, 2006 at 09:26AM View BBCode
I think he was a good QB.I also think that a guy can be given credit for a team's success when all he did was not lose the games, instead of help win them.
Both sides have a point though.
barterer2002
Of course Bradshaw was a good QB. Only a complete idiot would say he wasn't good. That isn't to say that he's one of the top ten to ever play in the league but to imply that he wasn't even good is ridiculious.
December 01, 2006 at 01:44PM View BBCode
Originally posted by rkinslow19
Do you think Bradshaw was a good quarterback?
Of course Bradshaw was a good QB. Only a complete idiot would say he wasn't good. That isn't to say that he's one of the top ten to ever play in the league but to imply that he wasn't even good is ridiculious.
scaffdog
December 01, 2006 at 02:39PM View BBCode
I even think that saying he is overrated is a stretch.
DougB
That said I would not put Bradshaw in my list of top 10 NFL quarterbacks of the Super Bowl era. Probably between 10 and 20.
December 01, 2006 at 03:38PM View BBCode
Bradshaw played in 3 pro bowls and was a 2-time Super Bowl MVP. So in my mind he is certainly deserving of the hall of fame.That said I would not put Bradshaw in my list of top 10 NFL quarterbacks of the Super Bowl era. Probably between 10 and 20.
max_fischer
This seems like a stretch to me. Mark Rypien is just short of both of these standards (2 Pro Bowls and 1 Super Bowl MVP), and I hope you don't consider him Hall-worthy.
I was a huge Steeler fan as a kid, and I loved Bradshaw, but his numbers do not stack up with the greatest ever.
A more interesting question would be: Is Bradshaw the dumbest QB in this "greatest QB ever" debate?
I think he may be.
December 01, 2006 at 05:43PM View BBCode
Originally posted by DougB
Bradshaw played in 3 pro bowls and was a 2-time Super Bowl MVP. So in my mind he is certainly deserving of the hall of fame.
This seems like a stretch to me. Mark Rypien is just short of both of these standards (2 Pro Bowls and 1 Super Bowl MVP), and I hope you don't consider him Hall-worthy.
I was a huge Steeler fan as a kid, and I loved Bradshaw, but his numbers do not stack up with the greatest ever.
A more interesting question would be: Is Bradshaw the dumbest QB in this "greatest QB ever" debate?
I think he may be.
barterer2002
Why is he overrated. Nobody puts him in their list of top 10 QBs of all time (at least none that I've seen). Nobody thinks he's particularly intelligent (yet hes been very successful for a small town hick from Louisiana). Are you saying that he's more in the class of Joe Ferguson and Steve Bartkowski rather than Joe Namath, Bob Griese or Warren Moon?
December 01, 2006 at 08:06PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
He is overrated. It's not a stretch.
Why is he overrated. Nobody puts him in their list of top 10 QBs of all time (at least none that I've seen). Nobody thinks he's particularly intelligent (yet hes been very successful for a small town hick from Louisiana). Are you saying that he's more in the class of Joe Ferguson and Steve Bartkowski rather than Joe Namath, Bob Griese or Warren Moon?
scaffdog
December 01, 2006 at 08:25PM View BBCode
How many QBs have led thier team to 4 SB wins? I know its not all Bradshaw but he is definatly a big part of it. And I think that the question was about QB performance after being sub par thier first 3 years, and bradshaw definately bucks the trend.
DougB
December 01, 2006 at 09:54PM View BBCode
Terry Bradshaw is dumb enough to have a great job right now making about a half-million dollars to barely work other than act like his dumb-ass self.
rkinslow19
He was a great winner, a leader, and a gutsy player. And of course all of these characteristics should be considered when evaluating a quarterback.
I just have a hard time with Bradshaw's 212/210 career TD/INT ratio, and 70.9 QB rating. Especially since he was surrounded by several hall of famers on offense.
December 02, 2006 at 02:41AM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
Originally posted by rkinslow19
Do you think Bradshaw was a good quarterback?
Of course Bradshaw was a good QB. Only a complete idiot would say he wasn't good. That isn't to say that he's one of the top ten to ever play in the league but to imply that he wasn't even good is ridiculious.
He was a great winner, a leader, and a gutsy player. And of course all of these characteristics should be considered when evaluating a quarterback.
I just have a hard time with Bradshaw's 212/210 career TD/INT ratio, and 70.9 QB rating. Especially since he was surrounded by several hall of famers on offense.
scaffdog
December 02, 2006 at 05:24AM View BBCode
I have a hard time with Troy Aikman for that same reason kinslow(the HOFers around him) but I respect the guy because he went out there and got the job done.
max_fischer
This is how you evaluate quarterbacks? Your avatar should be Joe Morgan instead of Larry Jones.
December 02, 2006 at 05:50PM View BBCode
Originally posted by scaffdog
I respect the guy because he went out there and got the job done.
This is how you evaluate quarterbacks? Your avatar should be Joe Morgan instead of Larry Jones.
scaffdog
December 02, 2006 at 08:26PM View BBCode
I made no mention of my evaluation of Aikman as a quarterback, only that I had respect for him.
max_fischer
Jeter, go play in traffic.
December 02, 2006 at 09:46PM View BBCode
Originally posted by yankeekid
What's wrong with respecting a guy for that?
Jeter, go play in traffic.