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thatrogue
Of course, if health continues to have relatively little impact on the injury possibility for pitchers, then this is somewhat of a non-issue.
Also, if I have normal (i.e. non IP maximizing) settings, and a reliever with high endurance pitches three out of five games/days in a particular stretch, isn't it a bit unfair to hit him with a higher chance of injury? Pitching in 60% of a season's games would only yield 97 games pitched (which is high for an modern MLB reliever, but not for the 1950's and not by ABE's RP standards...but again, I'm referring to pitching that often only in a particular stretch of games, and not all season). It would be disappointing if this change began to negatively impact a number of owners that were not trying to abuse the system.
Very interesting changes, Tyson
October 10, 2007 at 09:38AM View BBCode
Under the new systems, do the pitchers' health ratings have any impact on injuries? If so, is it possible to add age tiers to the overuse category? As tworoosters mentioned, in systems one and two, ABE would reduce the health rating for a 26 yo pitcher if he pitches 201 innings, but not do so for a 22 yo pitcher who pitches 199.6 innings. Is it worth considering gradually raising the IP limit for pitchers (200 IP at age 22, and adding 5 IP per year...or something like that)?Of course, if health continues to have relatively little impact on the injury possibility for pitchers, then this is somewhat of a non-issue.
Also, if I have normal (i.e. non IP maximizing) settings, and a reliever with high endurance pitches three out of five games/days in a particular stretch, isn't it a bit unfair to hit him with a higher chance of injury? Pitching in 60% of a season's games would only yield 97 games pitched (which is high for an modern MLB reliever, but not for the 1950's and not by ABE's RP standards...but again, I'm referring to pitching that often only in a particular stretch of games, and not all season). It would be disappointing if this change began to negatively impact a number of owners that were not trying to abuse the system.
barterer2002
You might want to check your history there. Only one pitcher in the history of MLB (Mike Marshall) has ever thrown as many as 97 games in a season and relievers from the 1950s generslly threw in the 40-50 game range (although the top guys each year were around 70 or so) 97 is obviously too high to be realistic
October 10, 2007 at 11:48AM View BBCode
Originally posted by thatrogue
Pitching in 60% of a season's games would only yield 97 games pitched (which is high for an modern MLB reliever, but not for the 1950's
You might want to check your history there. Only one pitcher in the history of MLB (Mike Marshall) has ever thrown as many as 97 games in a season and relievers from the 1950s generslly threw in the 40-50 game range (although the top guys each year were around 70 or so) 97 is obviously too high to be realistic
mr1313
October 10, 2007 at 12:05PM View BBCode
I'm not for this change at all, this game is nothing like real baseball, why must we continue to pretend like it is. 1313
barterer2002
Does it match MLB no it doesn't. So because it doesn't you feel that there should be no attempt to strive for more realism. That's silly. Who would even be here if they weren't a baseball fan to begin with. Its what brings people to the site. The more realism that can be brought in the better it will be.
October 10, 2007 at 12:21PM View BBCode
You do understand that this is a baseball site right?Does it match MLB no it doesn't. So because it doesn't you feel that there should be no attempt to strive for more realism. That's silly. Who would even be here if they weren't a baseball fan to begin with. Its what brings people to the site. The more realism that can be brought in the better it will be.
thatrogue
So while my reference is wrong, I still wonder if pitching an occasional three out of five games should have an adverse impact on health.
October 10, 2007 at 12:21PM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002Bart, you are correct. In my head, I was thinking of innings (specifically guys like Wilhelm and some of those spot-starter relievers of that era), while writing about games/appearances.
Originally posted by thatrogue
Pitching in 60% of a season's games would only yield 97 games pitched (which is high for an modern MLB reliever, but not for the 1950's)
You might want to check your history there. Only one pitcher in the history of MLB (Mike Marshall) has ever thrown as many as 97 games in a season and relievers from the 1950s generslly threw in the 40-50 game range (although the top guys each year were around 70 or so) 97 is obviously too high to be realistic
So while my reference is wrong, I still wonder if pitching an occasional three out of five games should have an adverse impact on health.
todd999430
Also, if you're going to put in negative consequence for using your closer three straight days (or 3 out of 5), then you need to put in an option that says "do not have player pitcher in 3 out of 5 days. If people are afraid of the injury "enhancement", clicking this option would allow them to "opt" out of it.
And those that are pitching their 23 year old in 145 games would see what happens.
Pretty straight forward.
October 11, 2007 at 02:25PM View formatted
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Someone made a comment about fixing the minor league development of pitchers... why not add another category or two to endurance, velocity, and control? why not include "range" in the mix, as pitchers do work on their fielding in MLB? With more categories, the % of improvements could be moved up from X to 120%X.
Also, if you're going to put in negative consequence for using your closer three straight days (or 3 out of 5), then you need to put in an option that says "do not have player pitcher in 3 out of 5 days. If people are afraid of the injury "enhancement", clicking this option would allow them to "opt" out of it.
And those that are pitching their 23 year old in 145 games would see what happens.
Pretty straight forward.
Admin
For the "don't use pitcher 3 days in a row" option. I like that idea. But keep in mind that pitcher injuries are still way lower than they should be, when compared to batter injuries. So if people get bitten by this on occasion when they aren't loopholing, I don't have a huge problem with that.
thatrougue - pitchers health is the main factor in determining whether a pitcher gets injured. Always has been, and will continue to do so. We have just changed what the base chance is, in mathematical terms we are changing the constant.
mr1313 - if you are one of the loopholers that is exploiting this, I'm sorry to tell you that your party is coming to an end. Public opinion seems to be that people don't like to see this sort of thing, so I am putting an end to it.
Tyson
October 12, 2007 at 05:11PM View BBCode
todd - adding a new category is probably offtopic and belongs in suggest enhancements, not in a beta thread about something else.For the "don't use pitcher 3 days in a row" option. I like that idea. But keep in mind that pitcher injuries are still way lower than they should be, when compared to batter injuries. So if people get bitten by this on occasion when they aren't loopholing, I don't have a huge problem with that.
thatrougue - pitchers health is the main factor in determining whether a pitcher gets injured. Always has been, and will continue to do so. We have just changed what the base chance is, in mathematical terms we are changing the constant.
mr1313 - if you are one of the loopholers that is exploiting this, I'm sorry to tell you that your party is coming to an end. Public opinion seems to be that people don't like to see this sort of thing, so I am putting an end to it.
Tyson
lvnwrth
Do you cut and paste this everywhere, or do you actually type it new each time.
October 13, 2007 at 02:36AM View BBCode
Originally posted by mr1313
I'm not for this change at all, this game is nothing like real baseball, why must we continue to pretend like it is. 1313
Do you cut and paste this everywhere, or do you actually type it new each time.
todd999430
I'm aware that pitcher injuries are still lower than they should be. I'm also ok with the occasional injury. It happens.
However, if my pitcher is going to get slammed for pitching three times over 5 days, I'd like the option to at least prevent against it. Something like: "Skip Pitcher in Preferences if they've pitched twice in the last four days" with something about making them a "last option".
It'd be nice to do this for every pitcher (because my closer should be ok pitching three times in 5 days, definitely if he has good health) but at least the option overall would be nice.
Thanks for listening, Tyson.
-Todd
October 14, 2007 at 09:49PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Admin
todd - For the "don't use pitcher 3 days in a row" option. I like that idea. But keep in mind that pitcher injuries are still way lower than they should be, when compared to batter injuries. So if people get bitten by this on occasion when they aren't loopholing, I don't have a huge problem with that.
Tyson
I'm aware that pitcher injuries are still lower than they should be. I'm also ok with the occasional injury. It happens.
However, if my pitcher is going to get slammed for pitching three times over 5 days, I'd like the option to at least prevent against it. Something like: "Skip Pitcher in Preferences if they've pitched twice in the last four days" with something about making them a "last option".
It'd be nice to do this for every pitcher (because my closer should be ok pitching three times in 5 days, definitely if he has good health) but at least the option overall would be nice.
Thanks for listening, Tyson.
-Todd
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