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Hamilton
There, now we have a rule.
Seriously, guys, I don't think this is a big deal. Just play your team as competitively as possible, if you happen to lose a lot of games because your team sucks, that's your problem. Tanking doesn't really accomplish anything.
This is my 3rd long-term league. I only lost more than 90 games once in over 7 seasons and both of my other teams are competitve year after year. I never tank. I have never had a top-5 draft pick (exept when I've traded for one, of course). In spite of that fact, I continually compete for a play-off spot in both of my other leagues. Why? Because I want to win. I play to win. Right now and in the future.
Some managers think that they if they can't be competitive right now they won't even try. That's ridiculous. For example, last season I took 1st place in the Ralph Kiner league with the Brooklyn Dodgers. I finished 6 games up on the 2nd place team, who finished 3 games ahead of the 3rd place team. But, my team had no depth. An injury to my 3B starter early in the season caused my to go 1-10 while he was out. And injuries in the play-offs caused me to lose the NLCS. My point is this, if I had had an injury in the last 10 days of the regular season and my team fell apart again, the top 4 teams all could have passed me for 1st place. If they had been trying to "tank" in order to prepare for the future, they wouldn't have had that chance.
Sorry this post is so long, I don't usually rant about stuff. It's just that I'm tired of hearing about tanking. If everyone here wants a rule than fine: don't tank. That's the rule.
Thanks for letting me rant.
-Joseph
New York Hamiltonians
Anti-tanking rule
August 04, 2006 at 04:52PM View BBCode
Don't tank.There, now we have a rule.
Seriously, guys, I don't think this is a big deal. Just play your team as competitively as possible, if you happen to lose a lot of games because your team sucks, that's your problem. Tanking doesn't really accomplish anything.
This is my 3rd long-term league. I only lost more than 90 games once in over 7 seasons and both of my other teams are competitve year after year. I never tank. I have never had a top-5 draft pick (exept when I've traded for one, of course). In spite of that fact, I continually compete for a play-off spot in both of my other leagues. Why? Because I want to win. I play to win. Right now and in the future.
Some managers think that they if they can't be competitive right now they won't even try. That's ridiculous. For example, last season I took 1st place in the Ralph Kiner league with the Brooklyn Dodgers. I finished 6 games up on the 2nd place team, who finished 3 games ahead of the 3rd place team. But, my team had no depth. An injury to my 3B starter early in the season caused my to go 1-10 while he was out. And injuries in the play-offs caused me to lose the NLCS. My point is this, if I had had an injury in the last 10 days of the regular season and my team fell apart again, the top 4 teams all could have passed me for 1st place. If they had been trying to "tank" in order to prepare for the future, they wouldn't have had that chance.
Sorry this post is so long, I don't usually rant about stuff. It's just that I'm tired of hearing about tanking. If everyone here wants a rule than fine: don't tank. That's the rule.
Thanks for letting me rant.
-Joseph
New York Hamiltonians
baseballpurist
August 04, 2006 at 06:19PM View BBCode
i agree, anti-tanking is a dead issue for now. the MWL became a private league though as opposed to a speed league to allow us the flexibility to explore new rules as the league grows. if anti-tanking becomes a hot issue further along in the league, then we will address it and deal with it. i concur with hamilton though and don't see the advantage to tanking unless the rare superstud appears in the draft and we know how rarely that happens. i'd go as far as to say that i haven't seen a successful tanking strategy implemented. in the VCL we all know who the tankers are and yet they seem to be a bottom feeder team year after year. why? because you can have all the draft picks you want but if you keep taking the wrong players or have too many prospects in the minors, your team just doesn't progress like it should.
phen0m
seems like everyone who has weighed in on it is in favor, if we all agree i dont see how it would hurt to implement something.
August 04, 2006 at 06:23PM View BBCode
i agree with your logic totally, but just because you dont do it and you say "dont do it" doesnt mean nobodies gonna do it.seems like everyone who has weighed in on it is in favor, if we all agree i dont see how it would hurt to implement something.
BeagleReg
It all comes down to having integrity to not tank. In seven leagues and many seasons I can only remember of 2 or 3 owners intentionally tanking and that was benching their best players and playing players that had no chance of developement. They were playing their minors in the majors and their majors or what should have been their majors in the minors.
Lets all agree to not tank and not tank
August 04, 2006 at 07:35PM View formatted
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Setting a number of losses is not a good way to set a tanking rule. I have never tanked and never been accused of tanking yet in one league my team has lost 108, 108 & 102, another 110, 113,104,106,104, another 106,112,122,117,106 and another 104 and 100. Injuries and weak drafts can cause a team that never was any good or is rebuilding to loose over a hundred games.
It all comes down to having integrity to not tank. In seven leagues and many seasons I can only remember of 2 or 3 owners intentionally tanking and that was benching their best players and playing players that had no chance of developement. They were playing their minors in the majors and their majors or what should have been their majors in the minors.
Lets all agree to not tank and not tank
rhautanen1
August 04, 2006 at 08:06PM View BBCode
Ok, so I'm reading more and more on the message boards about tanking, and stopping tanking. You say tanking doesn't work. So now I'm starting to wonder what the big deal is. It's apparently their own loss if someone tanks. Why should anyone else care. Do the Yankees care if the Royals are tanking, or the Pirates?
miked5
2. Thou may play young developable players instead of vets if having a losing season already
3. Thou batting order must make sense....please guys...don't be batting a D+ speed guy leadoff unless he is young and you're trying to get him AB's
4. Thou must not have scrub pitchers on the major league staff when thou has qualified pitchers in the minors that can be pitching instead
5. ?? any more
August 04, 2006 at 09:45PM View BBCode
1. Thou must not tank2. Thou may play young developable players instead of vets if having a losing season already
3. Thou batting order must make sense....please guys...don't be batting a D+ speed guy leadoff unless he is young and you're trying to get him AB's
4. Thou must not have scrub pitchers on the major league staff when thou has qualified pitchers in the minors that can be pitching instead
5. ?? any more
rzafan
August 05, 2006 at 07:02AM View BBCode
So, i'll weigh in right quick, my u2u in this league is bdbeats, but this is the u2u is use more often. I signed up for another name because I've had trouble signing into a league before and thought this was the right way to go...I promise not to tank, I've been nursing a team that had a sub .300 winning record for 4 years before I took over, and is just (three years later) starting to approach the idea of .500. So I'm farmiliar with rebuilding a trainwreck, but with a fresh league, I'll be happy to win as many games as the next guy, thanks.
Apps24
August 05, 2006 at 09:10AM View BBCode
I think that miked5 rules are a very good start... That is pretty much what I did in the VCL this past season. Once I saw that I was losing with the Vets I went to my young prospects in the minors to start to see what they might have at the major league level and give my other minor leaugers more chances to develope.....Pages: 1