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Cubsfan13
1B David Ortiz, BOS
2B Mark Loretta, BOS
3B Alex Rodriguez, NYY
SS Derek Jeter, NYY
C Ivan Rodriguez, DET
OF Vladimir Guerrero, LAA
OF Manny Ramirez, BOS
OF Ichiro Suzuki, SEA
AL Pitchers:
SP Mark Buerhle, CWS
SP Jose Contreras, CWS
SP Roy Halladay, TOR
SP Scott Kazmir, TB
SP Mark Redman, KC
SP Kenny Rogers, DET
SP Johan Santana, MIN
SP Barry Zito, OAK
RP Bobby Jenks, CWS
RP Jon Papelbon, BOS
RP Mariano Rivera, NYY
RP B.J. Ryan, TOR
AL Reserves:
1B Paul Konerko, CWS
1B Jim Thome, CWS
2B Robinson Cano, NYY
2B Jose Lopez, SEA
3B Troy Glaus, TOR
SS Miguel Tejada, BAL
SS Michael Young, TEX
C Joe Mauer, MIN
OF Jermaine Dye, CWS
OF Alex Rios, TOR
OF Gary Matthews, Jr., TEX
OF Grady Sizemore, CLE
OF Vernon Wells, TOR
NL Starters:
1B Albert Pujols, STL
2B Chase Utley, PHI
3B David Wright, NYM
SS Jose Reyes, NYM
C Paul Lo Duca, NYM
OF Jason Bay, PIT
OF Carlos Beltran, NYM
OF Alfonso Soriano, WSH
NL Pitchers:
SP Carlos Zambrano, CHC
SP Bronson Arroyo, CIN
SP Brad Penny, LAD
SP Tom Glavine, NYM
SP Pedro Martinez, NYM
SP Chris Carpenter, STL
SP Jason Schmidt, SF
RP Brian Fuentes, COL
RP Derrick Turnbow, MIL
RP Tom Gordon, PHI
RP Trevor Hoffman, SD
NL Reserves:
1B Lance Berkman, HOU
1B Ryan Howard, PHI
2B Dan Uggla, FLA
3B Miguel Cabrera, FLA
3B Freddy Sanchez, PIT
3B Scott Rolen, STL
SS Edgar Renteria, ATL
C Brian McCann, ATL
OF Andruw Jones, ATL
OF Matt Holliday, COL
OF Carlos Lee, MIL
Why the hell is Pudge Rodriguez starting over Mauer? And where the hell is the AL leader in OPS? How did Konerko get in over Hafner as a backup, when Hafner probably should have been the starter? I thought Carl Crawford should have made it, and Nick Swisher too. At least one of them should have gone over Vlad, who isn't having his best season. And I know Francisco Liriano has only pitched 81 innings, but he should be there. So should Justin Verlander.
The NL is okay to me. I...really don't have much to say about it.
[Edited on 7-2-2006 by Cubsfan13]
Allstar teams..
July 02, 2006 at 11:48PM View BBCode
AL Starters:1B David Ortiz, BOS
2B Mark Loretta, BOS
3B Alex Rodriguez, NYY
SS Derek Jeter, NYY
C Ivan Rodriguez, DET
OF Vladimir Guerrero, LAA
OF Manny Ramirez, BOS
OF Ichiro Suzuki, SEA
AL Pitchers:
SP Mark Buerhle, CWS
SP Jose Contreras, CWS
SP Roy Halladay, TOR
SP Scott Kazmir, TB
SP Mark Redman, KC
SP Kenny Rogers, DET
SP Johan Santana, MIN
SP Barry Zito, OAK
RP Bobby Jenks, CWS
RP Jon Papelbon, BOS
RP Mariano Rivera, NYY
RP B.J. Ryan, TOR
AL Reserves:
1B Paul Konerko, CWS
1B Jim Thome, CWS
2B Robinson Cano, NYY
2B Jose Lopez, SEA
3B Troy Glaus, TOR
SS Miguel Tejada, BAL
SS Michael Young, TEX
C Joe Mauer, MIN
OF Jermaine Dye, CWS
OF Alex Rios, TOR
OF Gary Matthews, Jr., TEX
OF Grady Sizemore, CLE
OF Vernon Wells, TOR
NL Starters:
1B Albert Pujols, STL
2B Chase Utley, PHI
3B David Wright, NYM
SS Jose Reyes, NYM
C Paul Lo Duca, NYM
OF Jason Bay, PIT
OF Carlos Beltran, NYM
OF Alfonso Soriano, WSH
NL Pitchers:
SP Carlos Zambrano, CHC
SP Bronson Arroyo, CIN
SP Brad Penny, LAD
SP Tom Glavine, NYM
SP Pedro Martinez, NYM
SP Chris Carpenter, STL
SP Jason Schmidt, SF
RP Brian Fuentes, COL
RP Derrick Turnbow, MIL
RP Tom Gordon, PHI
RP Trevor Hoffman, SD
NL Reserves:
1B Lance Berkman, HOU
1B Ryan Howard, PHI
2B Dan Uggla, FLA
3B Miguel Cabrera, FLA
3B Freddy Sanchez, PIT
3B Scott Rolen, STL
SS Edgar Renteria, ATL
C Brian McCann, ATL
OF Andruw Jones, ATL
OF Matt Holliday, COL
OF Carlos Lee, MIL
Why the hell is Pudge Rodriguez starting over Mauer? And where the hell is the AL leader in OPS? How did Konerko get in over Hafner as a backup, when Hafner probably should have been the starter? I thought Carl Crawford should have made it, and Nick Swisher too. At least one of them should have gone over Vlad, who isn't having his best season. And I know Francisco Liriano has only pitched 81 innings, but he should be there. So should Justin Verlander.
The NL is okay to me. I...really don't have much to say about it.
[Edited on 7-2-2006 by Cubsfan13]
John61983
July 03, 2006 at 12:55AM View BBCode
I was just quickly looking at the stats and you can't argue with a lot of the reserves in the AL. (Not like that year with Ventura and the yankees) But still the tigers got hosed they are leading the world in wins they should have more players than I-rod in the All star game but the game is a joke anyway. What no bonds...
ShaggySanchez
July 03, 2006 at 02:34AM View BBCode
I might be biased but I would take Adam Dunn and Brandon Phillips as backups over Edgar Renteria and Andruw Jones.
turkob
Also, Gary Matthews Jr is having a nice year, but come on. There are players with better numbers, better careers, and on better teams that were left off. Especially Travis Hafner who has a 1.083 OPS. There should be some kind of sanity check before the teams are named.
July 03, 2006 at 07:51PM View BBCode
I know Mark Redman is only in the game because of the stupid rule about every team having a player, but what a joke. That rule cheapens the game.Also, Gary Matthews Jr is having a nice year, but come on. There are players with better numbers, better careers, and on better teams that were left off. Especially Travis Hafner who has a 1.083 OPS. There should be some kind of sanity check before the teams are named.
Cubsfan13
July 03, 2006 at 08:04PM View BBCode
I don't really mind Gary Matthews being in it, he's having a much better year than Michael Young, who is inept defensively and is currently 43rd in OPS with a .798 OPS. Again, Vlad really shouldn't be there but he got voted in. Its rediculous that only one of Hafner, Liriano, and Verlander will make it. Both Liriano and Verlander have had significantly better seasons than Buerhle.
ME
July 04, 2006 at 03:52AM View BBCode
The AL team is a disaster, and the only problem in the NL (other than all the non-Nationals players in the starting lineup) is that Bobby Abreu is leading the National League in OBP (fuck you Phillies fans, he's a very good player that oyu don't appreciate).
barterer2002
I couldn't disagree more. First off, the rosters of the all-star team are expanded to 32 to accomodate all the players from teams that need a representative. Second off, the best thing for a kid watching the game is to see players from his team that he roots for everyday. Its the one thing that makes the MLB all star game better than any other pro sport. Would I change some things about the game and the selection process. Of course I would. Is the rule requiring a representative from every team one of those things-absolutely not.
And ME, Bobby would be a terrific lead off hitter but his machismo won't let him bat there. His OPS is based primarily upon his incredible walk totals and I would forgive all his other sins if he would just bat leadoff but he's consistently refused. He also is chickenshit. He won't play if Randy Johnson is pitching and he's got any say in the matter. He even took of opening day against Johnson a few years ago (Francona said he needed his rest). I would like to see what he would do with Frank Robinson, a manager who would call him on his shit.
July 04, 2006 at 04:02AM View BBCode
Originally posted by turkob
I know Mark Redman is only in the game because of the stupid rule about every team having a player, but what a joke. That rule cheapens the game.
I couldn't disagree more. First off, the rosters of the all-star team are expanded to 32 to accomodate all the players from teams that need a representative. Second off, the best thing for a kid watching the game is to see players from his team that he roots for everyday. Its the one thing that makes the MLB all star game better than any other pro sport. Would I change some things about the game and the selection process. Of course I would. Is the rule requiring a representative from every team one of those things-absolutely not.
And ME, Bobby would be a terrific lead off hitter but his machismo won't let him bat there. His OPS is based primarily upon his incredible walk totals and I would forgive all his other sins if he would just bat leadoff but he's consistently refused. He also is chickenshit. He won't play if Randy Johnson is pitching and he's got any say in the matter. He even took of opening day against Johnson a few years ago (Francona said he needed his rest). I would like to see what he would do with Frank Robinson, a manager who would call him on his shit.
youngallstar
A .983 fielding percentage and 7 errors is not exactly inept Cubsfan.
Alot of people had written off Gary Mathews Jr as a never will be cough*whiskybear*cough. I watched him play all year last year and you could see he had it in him to be a solid ballplayer
July 04, 2006 at 04:10AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Cubsfan13
I don't really mind Gary Matthews being in it, he's having a much better year than Michael Young, who is inept defensively
A .983 fielding percentage and 7 errors is not exactly inept Cubsfan.
Alot of people had written off Gary Mathews Jr as a never will be cough*whiskybear*cough. I watched him play all year last year and you could see he had it in him to be a solid ballplayer
Cubsfan13
July 04, 2006 at 04:17AM View BBCode
7 errors, but the man has very little range. I like Young because I watch a good amount Rangers games and he is a good player, but he's better off at second base. Inept may have been a bit strong, but he's certainly in the lower half of defensive shortstops in the majors.
rkinslow19
The home team has won 20 of the last 25 world series.
Fans choose the bulk of the rosters.
Players dont go all out, for fear of injury
Managers try to play each player, instead of playing the best in order to win
One player from each team, even if they're crappy and don't deserve it
I'm rambling but you get the point. Fans don't vote based on sentimental values, not statistics, so the best players aren't in the game. And the game plays a very large role in determining the winner of the world series. Do you really want a guy from the Royals determing the winner of the world series?
July 04, 2006 at 06:29AM View BBCode
This year is another perfect example of one of the biggest problems with baseball (outside of drug testing etc...).The home team has won 20 of the last 25 world series.
Fans choose the bulk of the rosters.
Players dont go all out, for fear of injury
Managers try to play each player, instead of playing the best in order to win
One player from each team, even if they're crappy and don't deserve it
I'm rambling but you get the point. Fans don't vote based on sentimental values, not statistics, so the best players aren't in the game. And the game plays a very large role in determining the winner of the world series. Do you really want a guy from the Royals determing the winner of the world series?
drew
As opposed to a coin flip? I don't really care.
July 04, 2006 at 06:38AM View BBCode
Originally posted by rkinslow19Do you really want a guy from the Royals determing the winner of the world series?
As opposed to a coin flip? I don't really care.
whiskybear
You're talking about a journeyman 31-year-old outfielder (32 in August) with exactly one season (this one) with an average above .276, exactly one other season besides this one with an OPS over .800, and a career OBP of .332.
Scott Brosius had a career year once, too. The difference? The Rangers aren't going to win the World Series.
July 04, 2006 at 08:41AM View BBCode
Originally posted by youngallstar
Alot of people had written off Gary Mathews Jr as a never will be cough*whiskybear*cough. I watched him play all year last year and you could see he had it in him to be a solid ballplayer
You're talking about a journeyman 31-year-old outfielder (32 in August) with exactly one season (this one) with an average above .276, exactly one other season besides this one with an OPS over .800, and a career OBP of .332.
Scott Brosius had a career year once, too. The difference? The Rangers aren't going to win the World Series.
turkob
I couldn't disagree more. First off, the rosters of the all-star team are expanded to 32 to accomodate all the players from teams that need a representative. Second off, the best thing for a kid watching the game is to see players from his team that he roots for everyday. Its the one thing that makes the MLB all star game better than any other pro sport. Would I change some things about the game and the selection process. Of course I would. Is the rule requiring a representative from every team one of those things-absolutely not.
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So you're saying that it's better for someone who lives in KC to have a player to root for in the game than for the game to have a collection of the best players in the league? When Mark Redman comes in the game, baseball fans across the country will simulateously groan at how stupid it is for him to be pitching to Albert Pujols in the All-Star Game, talk about a classic moment. Debating who deserves to be in and out of the game is part of the fun, but what's not fun is when a clearly inferior player is named to the team because of a rule that has nothing to do with selecting the best qualified player.
Furthermore, if I'm a 10 year old in KC do I grow up idolizing Mark Redman? Has he pitched there for even 2 seasons. He is clearly out of place, and I'm not even convinced his inclusion will spur any interest in KC.
[Edited on 7-5-2006 by turkob]
July 04, 2006 at 06:23PM View formatted
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[quote][i]Originally posted by barterer2002[/i]
I couldn't disagree more. First off, the rosters of the all-star team are expanded to 32 to accomodate all the players from teams that need a representative. Second off, the best thing for a kid watching the game is to see players from his team that he roots for everyday. Its the one thing that makes the MLB all star game better than any other pro sport. Would I change some things about the game and the selection process. Of course I would. Is the rule requiring a representative from every team one of those things-absolutely not.
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So you're saying that it's better for someone who lives in KC to have a player to root for in the game than for the game to have a collection of the best players in the league? When Mark Redman comes in the game, baseball fans across the country will simulateously groan at how stupid it is for him to be pitching to Albert Pujols in the All-Star Game, talk about a classic moment. Debating who deserves to be in and out of the game is part of the fun, but what's not fun is when a clearly inferior player is named to the team because of a rule that has nothing to do with selecting the best qualified player.
Furthermore, if I'm a 10 year old in KC do I grow up idolizing Mark Redman? Has he pitched there for even 2 seasons. He is clearly out of place, and I'm not even convinced his inclusion will spur any interest in KC.
[Edited on 7-5-2006 by turkob]
barterer2002
I guess the question comes down to what is the purpose of the all-star game. If you believe that it is a reward for the best players then you're absolutely correct, Mark Redman shouldn't be on the team but he clearly isn't the only one and the voting system should be changed as well.
On the other hand, if you believe that the game is for the fans as a fun exhibition then of course every fan should have a player from "his" team to root for (or her team). I come down more on the second side and I suspect that you're more on the first side.
July 04, 2006 at 07:26PM View BBCode
I don't understand why you think it hurts to have local players in the game for each team. Kids root for players from their team and it has nothing to do with whether they idolize that player or not. When my son watches a game (he's 6) he has no idea who any of the players are but he knows that he roots for the Phillies and so he asks me which ones are the Phillies.I guess the question comes down to what is the purpose of the all-star game. If you believe that it is a reward for the best players then you're absolutely correct, Mark Redman shouldn't be on the team but he clearly isn't the only one and the voting system should be changed as well.
On the other hand, if you believe that the game is for the fans as a fun exhibition then of course every fan should have a player from "his" team to root for (or her team). I come down more on the second side and I suspect that you're more on the first side.
rkinslow19
Root for the best player of your local crappy team during the other 162 games of the year. The all-star game should showcase talent - the best of the best. After all, it is an all-star game. Leave equal representation to little league.
July 05, 2006 at 02:13AM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
If you believe that it is a reward for the best players then you're absolutely correct, Mark Redman shouldn't be on the team but he clearly isn't the only one and the voting system should be changed as well.
On the other hand, if you believe that the game is for the fans as a fun exhibition then of course every fan should have a player from "his" team to root for (or her team). I come down more on the second side and I suspect that you're more on the first side.
Root for the best player of your local crappy team during the other 162 games of the year. The all-star game should showcase talent - the best of the best. After all, it is an all-star game. Leave equal representation to little league.
youngallstar
Still doesnt change the fact that you were dead wrong about Mathews every being any good for the Rangers.
July 05, 2006 at 02:15AM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
Originally posted by youngallstar
Alot of people had written off Gary Mathews Jr as a never will be cough*whiskybear*cough. I watched him play all year last year and you could see he had it in him to be a solid ballplayer
You're talking about a journeyman 31-year-old outfielder (32 in August) with exactly one season (this one) with an average above .276, exactly one other season besides this one with an OPS over .800, and a career OBP of .332.
Scott Brosius had a career year once, too. The difference? The Rangers aren't going to win the World Series.
Still doesnt change the fact that you were dead wrong about Mathews every being any good for the Rangers.
barterer2002
Hard to believe you'd come down on the wrong side again Kinslow
July 05, 2006 at 02:55AM View BBCode
Originally posted by rkinslow19
Root for the best player of your local crappy team during the other 162 games of the year. The all-star game should showcase talent - the best of the best. After all, it is an all-star game. Leave equal representation to little league.
Hard to believe you'd come down on the wrong side again Kinslow
bobcat73
There is a word the describes this reponse I just can't think of it.
July 05, 2006 at 03:09AM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
Originally posted by rkinslow19
Root for the best player of your local crappy team during the other 162 games of the year. The all-star game should showcase talent - the best of the best. After all, it is an all-star game. Leave equal representation to little league.
Hard to believe you'd come down on the wrong side again Kinslow
There is a word the describes this reponse I just can't think of it.
Undercatser
July 05, 2006 at 02:12PM View BBCode
The All-Star game does not showcase talent when 3 of the 4 infielders all are Yankees for the American league... That is a showcase of overrated big market teams... All-Star game is supposed to be fun, but when you are talking about who should be included think of this... Every team has at least All-Star calibre player... This I feel strongly about. Is Mark Redman KC's? Probably not, but that crappy team does have one. Think of the Pirates... They are one of the worse things to play the game day in and day out, but I think Bay is more than deserving of his spot on the team... Not to mention a few other players from that squad. Keep in mind this is coming from a Twins fan who in my opinion got ubber screwed when it comes to the All-Star team. There is no reason Liriano should be the "Final Vote" and that Justin Morneau was excluded completely...
scaffdog
I have to disagree...maybe Edgar got in for the first 1/4 of the season when he was on fire but has cooled a lot since, but I personally think Andruw is the best CF in the game, bar none. He does hit for Average but he can jack the long ball, is a very good clutch hitter, and no one touches him when it comes to defensive range and reaction time in CF.
July 05, 2006 at 03:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by ShaggySanchez
I might be biased but I would take Adam Dunn and Brandon Phillips as backups over Edgar Renteria and Andruw Jones.
I have to disagree...maybe Edgar got in for the first 1/4 of the season when he was on fire but has cooled a lot since, but I personally think Andruw is the best CF in the game, bar none. He does hit for Average but he can jack the long ball, is a very good clutch hitter, and no one touches him when it comes to defensive range and reaction time in CF.
mantlefan
July 09, 2006 at 12:02AM View BBCode
You know, every year there are players that are "deserving" that aren't all stars. Sometimes it is a situation of teams like Redman, other times its a matter of position. Remember the big deal a few years ago when the AL had four all-star shortstops. How often can you do that and also, remember that Tejada wasn't one of the four (Nomar, Derek, Alex and Omar). In short, its imperfect but it will always be imperfect. It was no better when the Reds stuffed the ballot box back in '57 or so.
rkinslow19
Palmam Qui Meruit Ferat
July 11, 2006 at 07:11AM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
Originally posted by rkinslow19
Root for the best player of your local crappy team during the other 162 games of the year. The all-star game should showcase talent - the best of the best. After all, it is an all-star game. Leave equal representation to little league.
Hard to believe you'd come down on the wrong side again Kinslow
Palmam Qui Meruit Ferat
barterer2002
July 11, 2006 at 12:01PM View BBCode
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