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indychris3
i have to go with my man Nolan Ryan!
Best SP Ever!
May 05, 2005 at 02:19AM View BBCode
so who do you guys think is the best starting pitcher ever?i have to go with my man Nolan Ryan!
ME
May 05, 2005 at 02:22AM View formatted
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Yeaah1!!@!21 Nolan Ryuan SO MANY STRIKOUETS!!!! ALL THATS MATTERSTS AND SO MANNY NO-HITTAZ 2! Best EVER!!!!!!!!!
Smocko
[Edited on 5-5-2005 by Smocko]
"Thanks Peyton. At least someone still likes me [sobs uncontrollably]."
May 05, 2005 at 02:53AM View BBCode
[Edited on 5-5-2005 by Smocko]
Smocko
May 05, 2005 at 02:58AM View BBCode
I still hate the Patriots, but this is too good not to post.
whiskybear
May 05, 2005 at 04:18PM View BBCode
Peyton and ProfessorFaggenstein....romance blossoms in Sports Talk.
drunkengoat
May 05, 2005 at 05:15PM View BBCode
Best starter ever? Where's the love for Tim Wakefield?
ProfessorFaggenstein
GAYlord Perry. So Lord of Gay. So gay.
May 05, 2005 at 06:59PM View BBCode
I don't know who the best is, but I certainly know the worst:GAYlord Perry. So Lord of Gay. So gay.
sycophantman
Cy Young?
Sandy Koufax?
Hell, Greg Maddux and Roger Clemens...
Then, maybe then, we get to Nolan Ryan...
May 05, 2005 at 08:17PM View BBCode
Walter Johnson?Cy Young?
Sandy Koufax?
Hell, Greg Maddux and Roger Clemens...
Then, maybe then, we get to Nolan Ryan...
ME
[Edited on 5-5-2005 by ME]
May 05, 2005 at 08:48PM View BBCode
Sandy Koufax is one of the most overrated players of all time, and like Nolan Ryan, does not belong anywhere near the top 10.[Edited on 5-5-2005 by ME]
Meathead44
Would have been nice to see Satch pitch in the MLB while in his prime.
May 05, 2005 at 08:57PM View BBCode
Spahn? Clemens?Would have been nice to see Satch pitch in the MLB while in his prime.
barterer2002
I'll admit that I generally hate all things New York and have a general bias thinking that most things that come from New York are overrated. Plus I started to get interested in baseball about 1977 which also colored my view. Of the pitchers I'ce looked at, and I'll admit I haven't yet gotten to Walter Johnson, Cy Young or Christie Mathewson, Tom Seaver is the best around. Its hard for me to give props to a Met but lets be honest here. For Tom's first part of his career with the Mets 1967-1977, the club was under .400 in games that Tom didn't get the decision in. With Seaver, they won a World Series and went to another. Their winning percentage over the 11 year span would have put them last or second to last every season. With Seaver they were contendors 8 of the 11 seasons. Keep in mind this is a club that also had Koosman, Ryan and Matlack pitching for them and none of them were even close to Seaver. To me, the difference Seaver made during that stretch between being a pathetically losing club (which I'd really like the Mets to always be) and being a World Champion once, runner up another time and finish in the top three 8 out of 11 seasons makes him the greatest ever (pending my analysis of the aformentioned early stars).
-Bryan
May 05, 2005 at 09:07PM View BBCode
You've got to be kidding with Nolan Ryan.I'll admit that I generally hate all things New York and have a general bias thinking that most things that come from New York are overrated. Plus I started to get interested in baseball about 1977 which also colored my view. Of the pitchers I'ce looked at, and I'll admit I haven't yet gotten to Walter Johnson, Cy Young or Christie Mathewson, Tom Seaver is the best around. Its hard for me to give props to a Met but lets be honest here. For Tom's first part of his career with the Mets 1967-1977, the club was under .400 in games that Tom didn't get the decision in. With Seaver, they won a World Series and went to another. Their winning percentage over the 11 year span would have put them last or second to last every season. With Seaver they were contendors 8 of the 11 seasons. Keep in mind this is a club that also had Koosman, Ryan and Matlack pitching for them and none of them were even close to Seaver. To me, the difference Seaver made during that stretch between being a pathetically losing club (which I'd really like the Mets to always be) and being a World Champion once, runner up another time and finish in the top three 8 out of 11 seasons makes him the greatest ever (pending my analysis of the aformentioned early stars).
-Bryan
whiskybear
May 05, 2005 at 09:11PM View BBCode
Seaver was good, but get out. Furious is right; Lefty Grove is the best starting pitcher ever.
Benne
May 05, 2005 at 09:45PM View BBCode
Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, and Christy Mathewson. Cy Young is a bit overrated because he got his 511 wins in an era when pitchers would routinely pitch a whole game, and he also leads in career losses.
ABDREW
May 05, 2005 at 10:20PM View BBCode
Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, and Christy Mathewson These 3 all had amazing stats and I think they would have to be considered among the best. However my vote goes to Clemens just for the simple fact I've never seen anyone better in my time. Pedro was unreal to watch for 4 season or so but he lost a little over the last couple of years and is not the dominator he once was.
youngallstar
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May 06, 2005 at 12:47AM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
You've got to be kidding with Nolan Ryan.
I'll admit that I generally hate all things New York and have a general bias thinking that most things that come from New York are overrated. Plus I started to get interested in baseball about 1977 which also colored my view. Of the pitchers I'ce looked at, and I'll admit I haven't yet gotten to Walter Johnson, Cy Young or Christie Mathewson, Tom Seaver is the best around. Its hard for me to give props to a Met but lets be honest here. For Tom's first part of his career with the Mets 1967-1977, the club was under .400 in games that Tom didn't get the decision in. With Seaver, they won a World Series and went to another. Their winning percentage over the 11 year span would have put them last or second to last every season. With Seaver they were contendors 8 of the 11 seasons. Keep in mind this is a club that also had Koosman, Ryan and Matlack pitching for them and none of them were even close to Seaver. To me, the difference Seaver made during that stretch between being a pathetically losing club (which I'd really like the Mets to always be) and being a World Champion once, runner up another time and finish in the top three 8 out of 11 seasons makes him the greatest ever (pending my analysis of the aformentioned early stars).
-Bryan
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youngallstar
Quite possibly the smartest thing you have ever said.
You know, Nolan could come out of retirement and add to his strikeout record which will never be broken and he could throw two more no hitters and the Ryan haters would still whine about his walks and how 10 other pitchers were better.
May 06, 2005 at 12:50AM View BBCode
Originally posted by indychris3
so who do you guys think is the best starting pitcher ever?
i have to go with my man Nolan Ryan!
Quite possibly the smartest thing you have ever said.
You know, Nolan could come out of retirement and add to his strikeout record which will never be broken and he could throw two more no hitters and the Ryan haters would still whine about his walks and how 10 other pitchers were better.
lvnwrth
And whoever said Sandy Koufax is overrated ought to lose their posting privileges.:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:
Ryan is perhaps the most unique pitcher who ever took the mound. But the greatest? Not close. Who was better? A lot of guys. A lot of guys.
Grove, Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Spahn, Maddux, Clemens, Randy Johnson, Koufax, Gibson, Marichal, Carlton, Seaver....there's a dozen. And there might be that many more that I've missed.
Ryan was amazing to watch, but he was not the best ever.
May 06, 2005 at 01:07AM View BBCode
Robert Moses Grove.And whoever said Sandy Koufax is overrated ought to lose their posting privileges.:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:
Ryan is perhaps the most unique pitcher who ever took the mound. But the greatest? Not close. Who was better? A lot of guys. A lot of guys.
Grove, Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Spahn, Maddux, Clemens, Randy Johnson, Koufax, Gibson, Marichal, Carlton, Seaver....there's a dozen. And there might be that many more that I've missed.
Ryan was amazing to watch, but he was not the best ever.
youngallstar
I could argue a few of the players you listed but for the most you are right on.
pssss.. I just like saying that Nolan is the greatest thus getting Furious riled up about his "walks" and "being too handsome for greatness"
May 06, 2005 at 01:23AM View BBCode
Randy Johhson better than Ryan? No.I could argue a few of the players you listed but for the most you are right on.
pssss.. I just like saying that Nolan is the greatest thus getting Furious riled up about his "walks" and "being too handsome for greatness"
ME
Sandy Koufax pitched in an extreme pitchers park during the most pitcher-friendly era in baseball since 1920.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/koufasa01.shtml
He only had 6 years (1961-1966) when he was a star pitcher, the rest were as a league average pitcher. Pedro Martinez and Randy Johnson both had better peaks.
May 06, 2005 at 01:45AM View BBCode
Originally posted by lvnwrth
And whoever said Sandy Koufax is overrated ought to lose their posting privileges.:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:
Sandy Koufax pitched in an extreme pitchers park during the most pitcher-friendly era in baseball since 1920.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/koufasa01.shtml
He only had 6 years (1961-1966) when he was a star pitcher, the rest were as a league average pitcher. Pedro Martinez and Randy Johnson both had better peaks.
FuriousGiorge
Sorry dude, not this time. Notice I'm not taking the bait.
Lefty Grove rules!
May 06, 2005 at 01:52AM View BBCode
Originally posted by youngallstar
pssss.. I just like saying that Nolan is the greatest thus getting Furious riled up about his "walks" and "being too handsome for greatness"
Sorry dude, not this time. Notice I'm not taking the bait.
Lefty Grove rules!
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