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McNabb's a goat
February 07, 2005 at 05:02PM View BBCode
McNabb choked under pressure. 3 interceptions, and an abysmal job late in the 4th quarter with the clock running down. He wanted to act cool, like he had all the time in the world, when he DIDN'T! Letting the clock run when they needed to score twice was very poor leadership, and I lost all respect for his ability to lead a team.
FuriousGiorge
I'll alert the media.
[Edited on 2-7-2005 by FuriousGiorge]
February 07, 2005 at 05:03PM View BBCode
Originally posted by ballplayer
I lost all respect for his ability to lead a team.
I'll alert the media.
[Edited on 2-7-2005 by FuriousGiorge]
abarkov
February 07, 2005 at 05:15PM View BBCode
Terrible clock management by Philadelphia late in the game. Sure McNabb must take his share of the blame, but ultimately Andy Reid had to do something to stop them from huddling.
drunkengoat
But end zone catches? 0. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Serves him right for waiting so long to play again. His play makes me wonder if he was ever injured in the first place. A broken something another, ankle I guess... To sit out the last couple weeks of the season and the ENTIRE playoff run to come back to play 100% in the Super Bowl just seems kind of fishy to me.
February 07, 2005 at 08:05PM View BBCode
I think it's funny that Terrell Owens and his big numbers really didn't make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. You'd think that 9 receptions and 122 yards would be enough to help put a team over the top...But end zone catches? 0. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Serves him right for waiting so long to play again. His play makes me wonder if he was ever injured in the first place. A broken something another, ankle I guess... To sit out the last couple weeks of the season and the ENTIRE playoff run to come back to play 100% in the Super Bowl just seems kind of fishy to me.
skierdude44
I believe it was only 2 interceptions and 3 touchdowns passes to go with 350+ yards. His yardage numbers are alittle misleading though because he missed a few wide open receivers, locked on to receivers, and threw a couple of balls too high. The clock management was horrible. Some of that has to go on Donovan's shoulders but Andy Reid and the coaching staff need to share some of the blame for that as well. Childress should have given him two plays when he was in the huddle, one for the down that they were on and another for the next down, in order to save time.
I have to give Terrell Owens a lot of credit though. His performance was amazing considering his injury and the magnitude of that game. Sure I still think that he is a jackass but he worked hard and showed up to play and in some ways I think that his teammates let him down by not executing and stepping up in the 2 minute offense. And the defense was alittle spotty at times as well. Atleast he backed up all this "God has already cleared me to play" talk, unlike Freddie Mitchell and his smack.
February 07, 2005 at 09:29PM View BBCode
Originally posted by ballplayer
McNabb choked under pressure. 3 interceptions, and an abysmal job late in the 4th quarter with the clock running down. He wanted to act cool, like he had all the time in the world, when he DIDN'T! Letting the clock run when they needed to score twice was very poor leadership, and I lost all respect for his ability to lead a team.
I believe it was only 2 interceptions and 3 touchdowns passes to go with 350+ yards. His yardage numbers are alittle misleading though because he missed a few wide open receivers, locked on to receivers, and threw a couple of balls too high. The clock management was horrible. Some of that has to go on Donovan's shoulders but Andy Reid and the coaching staff need to share some of the blame for that as well. Childress should have given him two plays when he was in the huddle, one for the down that they were on and another for the next down, in order to save time.
I have to give Terrell Owens a lot of credit though. His performance was amazing considering his injury and the magnitude of that game. Sure I still think that he is a jackass but he worked hard and showed up to play and in some ways I think that his teammates let him down by not executing and stepping up in the 2 minute offense. And the defense was alittle spotty at times as well. Atleast he backed up all this "God has already cleared me to play" talk, unlike Freddie Mitchell and his smack.
ABDREW
February 07, 2005 at 09:43PM View BBCode
no he had 3 INts'. He threw 2 to Harrison and one to Bruschi
ballplayer
February 07, 2005 at 09:48PM View BBCode
T.O. was a key player for many of us who bet on the game with a point spread. Without him, I don't think I would have won my bet! He was quite a surprise, to be playing as well as he did. I have more respect for him now (but he is still a jackass!).
DeVeau31
February 07, 2005 at 09:49PM View BBCode
He threw 5 and fumbled once, but had them taken back from penalties and a challenge. McNabb didn't fold, he just played a superior team.
ABDREW
February 07, 2005 at 09:56PM View BBCode
I don't think the Patriots played that well in this game either. I wonder how bad it could have been if the offense was playing up to par and Eugene Wilson was playing sefety rather than a rookie 4th round pick.
Cubsfan13
February 07, 2005 at 11:12PM View BBCode
Well you can say the same thing for the Eagles. What would have happened if Westbrook had actually run the ball well and McNabb had thrown it to his potential, and the Patriots had played the way they did? Will Smith would have been "gettin jiggy with it" right now.
skierdude44
That reminds me of what this kid I play basketball always says when he misses a difficult shot. "What would have happened if I woulda made that?" Philly has a damn good defense which is the main reason that New England's offense didn't play up to par. Give some credit to the Eagles here. They are a damn good team as well.
February 08, 2005 at 08:22PM View BBCode
Originally posted by ABDREW
I don't think the Patriots played that well in this game either. I wonder how bad it could have been if the offense was playing up to par and Eugene Wilson was playing sefety rather than a rookie 4th round pick.
That reminds me of what this kid I play basketball always says when he misses a difficult shot. "What would have happened if I woulda made that?" Philly has a damn good defense which is the main reason that New England's offense didn't play up to par. Give some credit to the Eagles here. They are a damn good team as well.
barterer2002
Joe Namath does panty hose commercials and wears fur coats and is a character
Don Merideth drinks himself off of MNF and is a good old boy
Terrell Owens, on the other hand, is an asshole.
I don't condone what Terrell does, especially the Sharpie and dancing on the Star in Dallas but I think some of the public perception of him is racist. It bothered me to listen to people critizizing Terrell for trying to come back for the Super Bowl. If Bret Farve fought his way back and played with screws in his ankle like Owens did, he would be called a warrior. If Payton Manning (assuming his team could ever MAKE the Super Bowl) fought his way back to play ahead of doctors schedule he would be the greatest story in the week going into the game. Instead, Terrell was routinely criticized for trying to get back into the lineup-being called selfish by many. It seems to me that the duty of any player is to work his hardest to get back onto the playing field (maybe unless your name is John Abraham) and that's exactly what Owens did. He should be commended, not criticized-even more so after the tremendous game he had.
February 09, 2005 at 02:38AM View BBCode
Bobby Hbert flies around like an airplane and is a characterJoe Namath does panty hose commercials and wears fur coats and is a character
Don Merideth drinks himself off of MNF and is a good old boy
Terrell Owens, on the other hand, is an asshole.
I don't condone what Terrell does, especially the Sharpie and dancing on the Star in Dallas but I think some of the public perception of him is racist. It bothered me to listen to people critizizing Terrell for trying to come back for the Super Bowl. If Bret Farve fought his way back and played with screws in his ankle like Owens did, he would be called a warrior. If Payton Manning (assuming his team could ever MAKE the Super Bowl) fought his way back to play ahead of doctors schedule he would be the greatest story in the week going into the game. Instead, Terrell was routinely criticized for trying to get back into the lineup-being called selfish by many. It seems to me that the duty of any player is to work his hardest to get back onto the playing field (maybe unless your name is John Abraham) and that's exactly what Owens did. He should be commended, not criticized-even more so after the tremendous game he had.
FuriousGiorge
February 09, 2005 at 04:44AM View BBCode
I agree with that. Also, it turns out that Jeff Garcia is a pretty big asshole, so he was pretty much right about that too.
drunkengoat
If you're implying that I'm a racist, you can go straight to hell in a haulmate.
The only reason I have a problem with Terrell Owens is because I see his ugly mug in the highlights ONLY because he runs his damn mouth every time he's not catching a football. And this is true. The cameras are on him EVERY DAMN SECOND trying to figure out what he says, and it's because aside from the few who do praise the guy, most everyone feels antagonized by a lot of what he does or says, much similar to the demeanor of Randy Moose.
He could've been MVP of the game and actually made a big difference by helping his team win, and it wouldn't have taken away from the fact that he's a loudmouth egomaniac who for some reason feels attention-starved if the camera's on someone else.
But aside from my comments on his "injury, "... if ANYONE had tried to come back from a broken whatever after missing the entire post-season to play in the Super Bowl once his team made it, I'd find the entire situation fishy, and I'd label him as rather stupid for risking his health especially if such a serious injury took him out of the regular season.
And if you want to expose the fact that I'm a Red Sox fan, go ahead and try to play the whole Schilling card. I don't remember him missing any games in the playoffs last year, especially against the Yankees or anyone else.
For the record, being a Filipino in our beloved Bible Belt doesn't allow for me to feel racist towards anyone. So I would appreciate if you didn't make any assumptions about how I perceive people without having a little personal knowledge about who I am.
February 09, 2005 at 01:43PM View BBCode
Originally posted by barterer2002
I think some of the public perception of him is racist.
If you're implying that I'm a racist, you can go straight to hell in a haulmate.
The only reason I have a problem with Terrell Owens is because I see his ugly mug in the highlights ONLY because he runs his damn mouth every time he's not catching a football. And this is true. The cameras are on him EVERY DAMN SECOND trying to figure out what he says, and it's because aside from the few who do praise the guy, most everyone feels antagonized by a lot of what he does or says, much similar to the demeanor of Randy Moose.
He could've been MVP of the game and actually made a big difference by helping his team win, and it wouldn't have taken away from the fact that he's a loudmouth egomaniac who for some reason feels attention-starved if the camera's on someone else.
But aside from my comments on his "injury, "... if ANYONE had tried to come back from a broken whatever after missing the entire post-season to play in the Super Bowl once his team made it, I'd find the entire situation fishy, and I'd label him as rather stupid for risking his health especially if such a serious injury took him out of the regular season.
And if you want to expose the fact that I'm a Red Sox fan, go ahead and try to play the whole Schilling card. I don't remember him missing any games in the playoffs last year, especially against the Yankees or anyone else.
For the record, being a Filipino in our beloved Bible Belt doesn't allow for me to feel racist towards anyone. So I would appreciate if you didn't make any assumptions about how I perceive people without having a little personal knowledge about who I am.
youngallstar
[Edited on 2-9-2005 by youngallstar]
February 09, 2005 at 01:53PM View BBCode
I dont agree at all with Barterers racist comment. Terrel could be any color and people would think he is a jackass based on him running his mouth and his actions.[Edited on 2-9-2005 by youngallstar]
nextyearcubs
Now Owens gets a lot of flack for being so flambuoyant, and that's part of why people say what they do, but at the same time, he stepped up and played after his injury. You can be a heroic warrior and a loudmouth at the same time, and Owens proved it.
February 09, 2005 at 04:23PM View BBCode
I don't like Owens at all, but I do agree that at least some of it is racist. The talking heads ponder if he's doing what's right for the team, when he's clearly the best receiver they have, yet when Favre runs out there with an injured hand to keep his streak alive, or after his dad passes away, or whatever, and he's a heroic warrior.Now Owens gets a lot of flack for being so flambuoyant, and that's part of why people say what they do, but at the same time, he stepped up and played after his injury. You can be a heroic warrior and a loudmouth at the same time, and Owens proved it.
youngallstar
February 09, 2005 at 04:27PM View BBCode
Owens may never live down his annoying flambouyancy. That is why he is looked down upon. Not his skin tone:rolleyes:
drunkengoat
OWENS MISSED TIME.
From what I gather, and based on the way he limped off the field after it happened, it seemed rather serious. And things such as that take time to heal and the window was set for him to miss the Super Bowl due to the alleged severity of his injury. And then, come Super Bowl weekend, miraculously, he announces that he's ready to play and puts up numbers that are shadowed only by the game's MVP, but we're somehow led to believe that he wasn't even supposed to play the game? Why should people try and convince us that Terrell Owens is more than human?
I'm not buying it.
February 09, 2005 at 05:37PM View BBCode
See, cubs, there's a difference.OWENS MISSED TIME.
From what I gather, and based on the way he limped off the field after it happened, it seemed rather serious. And things such as that take time to heal and the window was set for him to miss the Super Bowl due to the alleged severity of his injury. And then, come Super Bowl weekend, miraculously, he announces that he's ready to play and puts up numbers that are shadowed only by the game's MVP, but we're somehow led to believe that he wasn't even supposed to play the game? Why should people try and convince us that Terrell Owens is more than human?
I'm not buying it.
nextyearcubs
What bothered me was everyone making such a big deal about him playing, when the doctor didn't clear him... Its really up to him, and the coaching staff whether he should play. He was obviously ambulatory, as we saw him lightly jumping up and down on the sideline during the NFC Championship game... It wasn't the fact that he played, it was the second guessing. Players all the time play hurt, and probably should sit out, because it does affect the team in that the healthy backup sometimes is better than a hurting regular. (I can think of two guys on the Bears, Urlacher and Ogunleye, who played hurt and ended up not being as effective for a longer period of time because they wouldn't shut it down long enough to heal.) But nobody says as much in the regular season, yet they have the nerve to question a guy who wants to play in the biggest game of his career, and the biggest game for his team, the very game he was brought over to get them to? If he wasn't effective in the game, then its a story, otherwise...
Seems a case of undue hype for a media anxious for a scoop, any scoop.
February 09, 2005 at 06:07PM View formatted
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dude had a broken leg... that's pretty serious, don't cha think? I mean, six, seven weeks for that? That seems pretty quick, especially for a WR who relies on speed and quick movements.
What bothered me was everyone making such a big deal about him playing, when the doctor didn't clear him... Its really up to him, and the coaching staff whether he should play. He was obviously ambulatory, as we saw him lightly jumping up and down on the sideline during the NFC Championship game... It wasn't the fact that he played, it was the second guessing. Players all the time play hurt, and probably should sit out, because it does affect the team in that the healthy backup sometimes is better than a hurting regular. (I can think of two guys on the Bears, Urlacher and Ogunleye, who played hurt and ended up not being as effective for a longer period of time because they wouldn't shut it down long enough to heal.) But nobody says as much in the regular season, yet they have the nerve to question a guy who wants to play in the biggest game of his career, and the biggest game for his team, the very game he was brought over to get them to? If he wasn't effective in the game, then its a story, otherwise...
Seems a case of undue hype for a media anxious for a scoop, any scoop.
barterer2002
Black athletes tend to be portrayed as having great natural talents but not as being warriors or getting the most from what they have.
White athletes are gritty and unselfish and team leaders.
For example, lets compare Michael Jordan with Danny Ainge. Which person gets the credit for being the better athlete? Almost invariably its Jordan. Why do we think that. Ainge was an all-star in basketball, a starter on a major league baseball team and a scratch golfer who could have had a PGA career. He's probably one of the best all around athletes of the twentieth century-although he wasn't the best at any one sport-he was professional level at several. Jordan on the other hand is one of the best basketball players to ever play the game. He's a good golfer but isn't up to PGA standards. In baseball, we all know he's a .203 no power hitting AA player (with a nice bus). Jordan is much better in basketball but Ainge is overall, a better athlete in a variety of competitions, yet he's usually referred to as a gritty role player who gave everything he had, while Jordan is referred to as an unworldly talent because of the things he could do.
Or compare Eric Davis to Dale Murphy. They were similar players who combined power and speed (each went 30/30 once between the ages of 25 and 27). Davis is often cited as a player who failed to live up to his potential, Murphy as someone who got the most from his. Yet, their careers are remarkably similar. Davis was faster and stole more bases, Murphy has a little more power. Neither was a particularily effective player after the age of 31 and neither played regularily after 36.
It just appears to me that we hold black and white athletes to different standards and that we ought to be aware of the racism that appears to me to be behind it.
February 09, 2005 at 06:36PM View BBCode
Goat, I'm not implying that you're racist, and I apoligize if it sounded that way. What I'm saying is that black athletes like Owens get labled selfish while white athletes become "warriors" for doing the same exact thing-working their ass off to get into the game. I think there is a racial aspect to the way we, as a society, talk about, portray, and like/dislike/revere/hate our athletic stars. Its a much more subtle form of racism than others but that doesn't mean it isn't there.Black athletes tend to be portrayed as having great natural talents but not as being warriors or getting the most from what they have.
White athletes are gritty and unselfish and team leaders.
For example, lets compare Michael Jordan with Danny Ainge. Which person gets the credit for being the better athlete? Almost invariably its Jordan. Why do we think that. Ainge was an all-star in basketball, a starter on a major league baseball team and a scratch golfer who could have had a PGA career. He's probably one of the best all around athletes of the twentieth century-although he wasn't the best at any one sport-he was professional level at several. Jordan on the other hand is one of the best basketball players to ever play the game. He's a good golfer but isn't up to PGA standards. In baseball, we all know he's a .203 no power hitting AA player (with a nice bus). Jordan is much better in basketball but Ainge is overall, a better athlete in a variety of competitions, yet he's usually referred to as a gritty role player who gave everything he had, while Jordan is referred to as an unworldly talent because of the things he could do.
Or compare Eric Davis to Dale Murphy. They were similar players who combined power and speed (each went 30/30 once between the ages of 25 and 27). Davis is often cited as a player who failed to live up to his potential, Murphy as someone who got the most from his. Yet, their careers are remarkably similar. Davis was faster and stole more bases, Murphy has a little more power. Neither was a particularily effective player after the age of 31 and neither played regularily after 36.
It just appears to me that we hold black and white athletes to different standards and that we ought to be aware of the racism that appears to me to be behind it.
FuriousGiorge
It's like Homer's cheat sheet about the differences between white people and black people - Lenny = White, Carl = Black. When it comes to sports, Hardworking and Overachieving = White People whereas Gifted Natural Athlete and Dominating Athlete = Black People. So many commentators fall into these very easy stereotypes when describing individual athletes, and just because it isn't overtly racist doesn't mean there isn't a racial element to it.
February 09, 2005 at 07:25PM View BBCode
You sir, in addition to having a kick-ass avatar that puts a smile on the face of all the ladies in the place, are also no jive-turkey.It's like Homer's cheat sheet about the differences between white people and black people - Lenny = White, Carl = Black. When it comes to sports, Hardworking and Overachieving = White People whereas Gifted Natural Athlete and Dominating Athlete = Black People. So many commentators fall into these very easy stereotypes when describing individual athletes, and just because it isn't overtly racist doesn't mean there isn't a racial element to it.
drunkengoat
See, I work at Cracker Barrel and once had a black man call me a racist because I waited on a white family first during a huge rush when about 30-40 tables came in at the same time. Since I didn't see them come in I had no way of knowing who was first, so I waited on the nearest table.. I haven't in many instances in my life wanted to kill someone but no one is going to look me in the eye and label me as such.
Being labelled so ignorant as to base my perception of people on skin color is something that I don't tolerate from anyone, because it simply isn't true. I don't judge you if you're white, black, gay, bi, Christian, Islamic, or whatever. I do apologize if I over-reacted, but this is one thing that I feel passionately about because it's something that I don't have room to screw up based on the environment that surrounds me here.
About white and black athletes, if you have it, you have it. That's how I see it. And to be perfectly honest, it's my observation that they work in completely different planes... There's a huge difference in the way they train which is hard to explain, but neither way is better than the other, and neither way makes one race better than the other. Personall, though, I feel that how they carry themselves based on their talents and how they handle the media attention as a result of their performance on the field is what I look at whenever I decide to perceive someone. Terrell Owens and what he's done in the past just has rubbed me the wrong way, and I don't think I'm the only person that can say this.
February 09, 2005 at 09:20PM View BBCode
No hard feelings.See, I work at Cracker Barrel and once had a black man call me a racist because I waited on a white family first during a huge rush when about 30-40 tables came in at the same time. Since I didn't see them come in I had no way of knowing who was first, so I waited on the nearest table.. I haven't in many instances in my life wanted to kill someone but no one is going to look me in the eye and label me as such.
Being labelled so ignorant as to base my perception of people on skin color is something that I don't tolerate from anyone, because it simply isn't true. I don't judge you if you're white, black, gay, bi, Christian, Islamic, or whatever. I do apologize if I over-reacted, but this is one thing that I feel passionately about because it's something that I don't have room to screw up based on the environment that surrounds me here.
About white and black athletes, if you have it, you have it. That's how I see it. And to be perfectly honest, it's my observation that they work in completely different planes... There's a huge difference in the way they train which is hard to explain, but neither way is better than the other, and neither way makes one race better than the other. Personall, though, I feel that how they carry themselves based on their talents and how they handle the media attention as a result of their performance on the field is what I look at whenever I decide to perceive someone. Terrell Owens and what he's done in the past just has rubbed me the wrong way, and I don't think I'm the only person that can say this.
barterer2002
Obviously my views have changed in the interviening two decades. It has become clear to me that racism is still very present in our society, albeit in a form that is more opaque. Some ways, such as racial profiling, are still clear, but others are subtle. One of these ways is the way we talk about black heros. Is it an accident that those people of color who are held in the highest esteem, people such as Colin Powell, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods etc, are those who seem to act most like white America? The answer is no. They are, however, the exceptions that prove the rule. For every Michael Jordan there are five Allen Iversons, for every Tiger Woods, we have ten Darryl Strawberries, for ever Colin Powell there are fifteen Al Sharptons.
Ken Caminitti struggles with all sorts of substances and is a tragic figure but when Dwight Gooden does it, he's just another young black player who'd reverting back to the 'hood ways where he grew up.
Are there differences between black athletes and white athletes. Yes there are. For the most part there are cultural differences that come about because of the childhoods each group goes through, however, it is important to keep in mind that there are also differences between white athletes from New England and those from Louisianna or California or Missouri. These cultural differences can be every bit as great as the differences between white and black but almost never do you hear someone referred to as a "New Englander" or a "Californian"
February 09, 2005 at 10:39PM View BBCode
Our society has come a long way in a short time. The difference in attitudes between races has changed a great deal over a span of about fifty years. As a boy growing up in the suburbs of Philadelphia in the eighties it seemed to me that racism was a thing of the past and that the pendeulum had swung unnecessarily the other way. As a young white Anglo Saxon male it seemed to me that I was being blamed for all the past sins of society. It seemed that every "minority" group had advantages over me in the job market, in getting into a good college, etc simply because in the days of my father and grandfather it had been the other way. It seemed no more fair to me that I be punished than it was to have punished "minorities" in the days of my forefathers.Obviously my views have changed in the interviening two decades. It has become clear to me that racism is still very present in our society, albeit in a form that is more opaque. Some ways, such as racial profiling, are still clear, but others are subtle. One of these ways is the way we talk about black heros. Is it an accident that those people of color who are held in the highest esteem, people such as Colin Powell, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods etc, are those who seem to act most like white America? The answer is no. They are, however, the exceptions that prove the rule. For every Michael Jordan there are five Allen Iversons, for every Tiger Woods, we have ten Darryl Strawberries, for ever Colin Powell there are fifteen Al Sharptons.
Ken Caminitti struggles with all sorts of substances and is a tragic figure but when Dwight Gooden does it, he's just another young black player who'd reverting back to the 'hood ways where he grew up.
Are there differences between black athletes and white athletes. Yes there are. For the most part there are cultural differences that come about because of the childhoods each group goes through, however, it is important to keep in mind that there are also differences between white athletes from New England and those from Louisianna or California or Missouri. These cultural differences can be every bit as great as the differences between white and black but almost never do you hear someone referred to as a "New Englander" or a "Californian"
ABDREW
February 09, 2005 at 10:58PM View BBCode
I'm going to leave this post open despite its subject matter and volitile potential because you all are making your points in a respectful and well thought out way. please keep it this way so I don't have to close the thread.
skierdude44
And I believe it was Owens himself who first brought up the Brett Favre comparison. And if this happened to Brett Favre, or Tom Brady, etc. they would be cheered as heroes and not looked at as selfish egotistical loudmouths. In fact Brett was put in a similar situation earlier this year against the Giants, albeit in a smaller scale. He got hit and had to come out. They told him that he had a concussion. He took just one play off and then put himself back into the game and threw a touchdown pass on the first play and then was taken out of the game again. Nobody called him selfish for that.
I believe there is somewhat of a racial element there. I'm not calling Goat or anyone else here racist, but I do think that if Terrell Owens was white he may have received more support and been praised as a hero for his tremendous performance in that game. His performance was nothing short of heroic. 9 catches for 122 yards on a broken leg that was being held together by pins and a plate. Forget the broken leg part, 9 catches for 122 yards alone is an incredible feat. And if the Eagles had one he was the MVP no question.
February 10, 2005 at 08:57PM View BBCode
I was alittle annoyed that I pretty much couldn't turn on ESPN without hearing about Terrell Owens and the "Will he play" debate. And while he has proven himself to be alittle egotistic in the past I have a lot of respect for him and his heroics in the big game. I think what he did was anything BUT selfish. It is painfully obvious that Philly is a better team with Owens in any capacity than they are without him so to argue that him playing in the game is selfish is absurd. I didn't really have a problem with his on field antics. Sure they were mildly annoying but that's all. My problems with him were his give me the damn ball routine (made popular by Keyshawn Johnson who we ran out of town and ended up much better without him when he tried it) in San Fran and his whining about going to Baltimore and eventually reversing the trade and forcing his way to Philly (I still don't understand how he pulled that off.) But being selfish would mean that he didn't play in the big game because he was afraid of his financial future. The Eagles could have filed papers that would have relieved them of all financial responsibility to him if he played and got hurt in that game but they did not. I guess it was their way of showing their loyalty to him for showing his loyalty to them.And I believe it was Owens himself who first brought up the Brett Favre comparison. And if this happened to Brett Favre, or Tom Brady, etc. they would be cheered as heroes and not looked at as selfish egotistical loudmouths. In fact Brett was put in a similar situation earlier this year against the Giants, albeit in a smaller scale. He got hit and had to come out. They told him that he had a concussion. He took just one play off and then put himself back into the game and threw a touchdown pass on the first play and then was taken out of the game again. Nobody called him selfish for that.
I believe there is somewhat of a racial element there. I'm not calling Goat or anyone else here racist, but I do think that if Terrell Owens was white he may have received more support and been praised as a hero for his tremendous performance in that game. His performance was nothing short of heroic. 9 catches for 122 yards on a broken leg that was being held together by pins and a plate. Forget the broken leg part, 9 catches for 122 yards alone is an incredible feat. And if the Eagles had one he was the MVP no question.
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