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lancereisen
But where is The Doctor? Ah, there he is, working his magic on one of the men. So they got him through. That's good...who knows where we'd be without The Doctor. He turns his mind to the remaining schedule. He can see all the way to the 1st major objective. It's a bleak and daunting vista. On the horizon a couple of storms rage. In between loom high steep sided hills, seemingly impassable. Valleys with wide, fast moving water hazards. Long, narrow, crowned fairways {must be careful here...good place for an ambush]. And there, off to the left...is that a Balrog??? Baromir: "Oh...they've got a Balrog" in his best wasp/princess inflection and "I wish I could buy my clothes off the rack" Focus!, you fool...we've no time for wool gathering. Shuddering, the commander sinks down into the fetal position and, twitching spasmodically, begins to chew his thumb.
From the midway vantage point,
January 19, 2017 at 04:47AM View BBCode
the hard flea-bitten commander chomps his cigar and turns to survey the men. They are a sorry looking lot...but good men and still game...aye, still game. This amalgam of men has been through the grinder. Eight weeks of trench warfare, most of it hand to hand. The grindings had been gathered up and poured into the forge of adversity and scorched by the fires of vulcan. There, on the anvil of shared hardship they were hammered into a hard, cohesive unit...a Team. :rolleyes:But where is The Doctor? Ah, there he is, working his magic on one of the men. So they got him through. That's good...who knows where we'd be without The Doctor. He turns his mind to the remaining schedule. He can see all the way to the 1st major objective. It's a bleak and daunting vista. On the horizon a couple of storms rage. In between loom high steep sided hills, seemingly impassable. Valleys with wide, fast moving water hazards. Long, narrow, crowned fairways {must be careful here...good place for an ambush]. And there, off to the left...is that a Balrog??? Baromir: "Oh...they've got a Balrog" in his best wasp/princess inflection and "I wish I could buy my clothes off the rack" Focus!, you fool...we've no time for wool gathering. Shuddering, the commander sinks down into the fetal position and, twitching spasmodically, begins to chew his thumb.
blakjakshalak
January 19, 2017 at 05:43PM View BBCode
...meanwhile in Philly, the natives are restless. Somehow the team has managed to go 6-2 but the duct tape and electrical ties holding it all together are straining to the max. No pass rush and spotty run coverage means this D is always a play or two away from collapsing. And a QB who couldn't hit water if he threw the ball out of a rowboat in the middle of Lake Superior means the O is reduced to taking random shots downfield and hoping for the best. After going 4/15 for 64 yards and a pick in the 1st half against San Fran, the chants of "Bubby! Bubby!" have begun raining down from the 700 level (along with the beer cans). Even so, management remains hopeful because, you know, any given Sunday or something.
luminafire
January 19, 2017 at 08:18PM View BBCode
Hideki Nakamura has apparently waited five years to act like a first overall pick that I paid four or five draft picks to take in 2000 but better late than never. My division record after today should be 2-1 with a 6-3 record which bodes well for my playoff hunt. Nakamura is the #3 QB in the league in terms of QBR with his first rating ever of over ninety. The division is literally mine to lose.
1950srobot
Now 0-f*cking-9 along with a tanking Houston team. This unbelievable motherf*cker.
January 19, 2017 at 10:36PM View BBCode
I simply cannot believe this motherf*cking garbage. "11-13-2005 @ New England Amish Lost 0 - 3"Now 0-f*cking-9 along with a tanking Houston team. This unbelievable motherf*cker.
luminafire
January 20, 2017 at 12:54AM View BBCode
Only one of your linemen can pass block but your QB has no agility plus lack of red strength defensive players which is making you weak on both sides of the ball. You'd need an ace quarterback with agility to avoid becoming one dimensional on offense
Pirate86
January 20, 2017 at 05:50AM View BBCode
Why is it that the automatic assumption is that a player is tanking? Yes I have yet to win a game this season but I assure you I have more respect for this game and the people that are playin it with me to sit here and intentionally lose. I have cut down to two leagues because I like a good challenge and unfortunately this league holds the highest level of competition throughout. I take offense to the insulting remark that I am tanking to improve my draft stock but I will forgive the comment since obviously the lack of consideration for what league this is was evident in he remark
luminafire
There are many things that need to be fixed and I'm not sure how you can do it without patiently and carefully wading through several drafts. This may be a challenge since you're like me and you've traded most of your relevant future draft picks. Trying to trade off the picks you currently have to fill these positions is simply not going to cut it and you're going to end up chasing your own tail if you try to take a quick way out:
The agility on Hamilton's offensive line is also a problem. The left tackle at the least should have red agility. No one has awful agility but coupled with the fact that the QB's agility is B-, there's no extra blocking coming from the TE or the FB, even with high execution that QB is a sitting duck. Most of his plays are likely under pressure. There is some credence to that when you consider HAM ranks 7th in times sacked.
Your team is attempting 34.9 passes a game which is even more than I'm throwing with an ace QB and a solid offensive line. What's more is that even though you are passing 30+ times a game, the pass game isn't producing. You are barely completing above 50% of your passes. Your pass average is 3.6 yards meaning that when you do complete passes they're extremely short.
It's not as though you're not attempting longer passes either-- I see you attempted 37 passes between 20-39 yards but you only completed five. In spite of a lack of passing success you still attempted ten passes greater than forty yards, but completed none. Every other team that has attempted more than six has made at least one.
You've thrown the seventh least first downs in the league (in spite of passing over thirty times a game). Of the top seven lowest passing first downs what is startling is that you've attempted more passes per game than any of the other teams on that list.
In spite of sacrificing a lot of pass blocking on the o-line for run blocking, it's not helping your run game at all. Most of your blocking is on the running side yet you've attempted the tenth LEAST amount of rushes in the league. Your offense leans heavily on the pass even though you have no pass protection. When you DO run the ball you're averaging fewer than four yards a carry which is a problem. The very very low aggression score on your starting running back probably is at least partially to blame besides the fact that perhaps you are calling running plays at highly predictable times and you don't have a stud back.
On the defensive side your defensive line is pretty bad. You have one DT with no red tackling ability, then you have a fairly good DE who is out of position as a DT taking an execution penalty, you've got the second best DE (in spite of his strength... I should know because he was my player) Francois Damocles on the bench which leaves you with two of your worst DE's playing the starting position. Neither of them have red strength and one of them is lacking tackling ability. So right there you have no real ability to put pressure on opposing offensive lines because they're either getting run over (strength) or they can't tackle anybody.
All three of your starting linebackers have no red tackling ability. This problem is compounded by the fact that your defensive line already only has two out of four guys who can tackle and one of them has no strength so it's meaningless. Only one of the linebackers has red cover ability in either pass or run (pass in this case) but he happens to be the one linebacker out of the three with no strength.
Cornerbacks are pretty solid.
Free safety can't tackle and he has no agility so any old red agility WR can bust a move on him.
Special safety has no speed OR agility so not only do people juke on him, but they can just completely burn him if they have at least A- speed so your last line of defense against long plays (safeties) are both gimped
Playing the punter out of position as the kicker, especially because he already only has B+ kick accuracy is an extreme liability.
Sorry that sounds like a LOT of positions that you either need to redraft or upgrade through trades but this are all of the problems I see with Hamilton without even looking at the games. All I looked at was the roster and the stats page and it's no wonder you are having such severe problems this year. There's not a single position group on your team without a MASSIVE hole. The only decent players are really just the QB, the center, the corners and the left tackle's alright (even though he's missing agility which makes him kind of gimped as a left tackle)
I hope you can find some information in this that helps robot. I know it sounds critical, but I wouldn't have spent this much time looking at your team and picking it apart if I wasn't trying to help.
[Edited on 1-20-2017 by luminafire]
January 20, 2017 at 06:51AM View BBCode
Here's my analysis of the problems with Hamilton, just at a passing glance. I spent much more time writing out this analysis than I did identifying the problems.There are many things that need to be fixed and I'm not sure how you can do it without patiently and carefully wading through several drafts. This may be a challenge since you're like me and you've traded most of your relevant future draft picks. Trying to trade off the picks you currently have to fill these positions is simply not going to cut it and you're going to end up chasing your own tail if you try to take a quick way out:
The agility on Hamilton's offensive line is also a problem. The left tackle at the least should have red agility. No one has awful agility but coupled with the fact that the QB's agility is B-, there's no extra blocking coming from the TE or the FB, even with high execution that QB is a sitting duck. Most of his plays are likely under pressure. There is some credence to that when you consider HAM ranks 7th in times sacked.
Your team is attempting 34.9 passes a game which is even more than I'm throwing with an ace QB and a solid offensive line. What's more is that even though you are passing 30+ times a game, the pass game isn't producing. You are barely completing above 50% of your passes. Your pass average is 3.6 yards meaning that when you do complete passes they're extremely short.
It's not as though you're not attempting longer passes either-- I see you attempted 37 passes between 20-39 yards but you only completed five. In spite of a lack of passing success you still attempted ten passes greater than forty yards, but completed none. Every other team that has attempted more than six has made at least one.
You've thrown the seventh least first downs in the league (in spite of passing over thirty times a game). Of the top seven lowest passing first downs what is startling is that you've attempted more passes per game than any of the other teams on that list.
In spite of sacrificing a lot of pass blocking on the o-line for run blocking, it's not helping your run game at all. Most of your blocking is on the running side yet you've attempted the tenth LEAST amount of rushes in the league. Your offense leans heavily on the pass even though you have no pass protection. When you DO run the ball you're averaging fewer than four yards a carry which is a problem. The very very low aggression score on your starting running back probably is at least partially to blame besides the fact that perhaps you are calling running plays at highly predictable times and you don't have a stud back.
On the defensive side your defensive line is pretty bad. You have one DT with no red tackling ability, then you have a fairly good DE who is out of position as a DT taking an execution penalty, you've got the second best DE (in spite of his strength... I should know because he was my player) Francois Damocles on the bench which leaves you with two of your worst DE's playing the starting position. Neither of them have red strength and one of them is lacking tackling ability. So right there you have no real ability to put pressure on opposing offensive lines because they're either getting run over (strength) or they can't tackle anybody.
All three of your starting linebackers have no red tackling ability. This problem is compounded by the fact that your defensive line already only has two out of four guys who can tackle and one of them has no strength so it's meaningless. Only one of the linebackers has red cover ability in either pass or run (pass in this case) but he happens to be the one linebacker out of the three with no strength.
Cornerbacks are pretty solid.
Free safety can't tackle and he has no agility so any old red agility WR can bust a move on him.
Special safety has no speed OR agility so not only do people juke on him, but they can just completely burn him if they have at least A- speed so your last line of defense against long plays (safeties) are both gimped
Playing the punter out of position as the kicker, especially because he already only has B+ kick accuracy is an extreme liability.
Sorry that sounds like a LOT of positions that you either need to redraft or upgrade through trades but this are all of the problems I see with Hamilton without even looking at the games. All I looked at was the roster and the stats page and it's no wonder you are having such severe problems this year. There's not a single position group on your team without a MASSIVE hole. The only decent players are really just the QB, the center, the corners and the left tackle's alright (even though he's missing agility which makes him kind of gimped as a left tackle)
I hope you can find some information in this that helps robot. I know it sounds critical, but I wouldn't have spent this much time looking at your team and picking it apart if I wasn't trying to help.
[Edited on 1-20-2017 by luminafire]
luminafire
Since you kept trading QBs and so forth of various ages with different packages of picks among other things, now you're stuck in a position where you don't have enough picks to replace all of the positions I mentioned but none of your players really have enough value to garner any real trade value. That's a pickle. For my part, even though I trade future draft picks, everything is carefully designed in such a way that when I hit that same wall, my QB should be in his mid-thirties and about to retire anyway. That way, when I have to wait out a few months without any picks, I'm not wasting any of my playoff window.
You've traded say, a first round pick for X, then traded X for Y which is really worth a second round pick. Then you traded Y for Z even though Z was only really maybe worth a third or a fourth, then they aged and their value fell to maybe a fifth and now you're stuck because you've essentially given away future franchise value for no gain.
Not trying to be critical just trying to be very specific with my analysis as I've made the same mistake two or three times now. It's only working for me now because I've leaned the hard way and become obsessive about wasting the best years of my QB's prime (Elric, Creed).
Since I try to focus just as much on age as I do skill, if it falls through, I still have a pocket of relatively young players I can trade off to regain most of my missing picks although that, by default, requires me to commit to a complete rebuild.
[Edited on 1-20-2017 by luminafire]
January 20, 2017 at 07:01AM View BBCode
The other problem and the inherent risk with constant trading, especially when you don't care about what age the players are that you're trading for is that eventually you erode franchise value over time. I trade future picks like a bad habit and it'll eventually come back to bite me for a period of time, but I try to trade for the youngest possible players or players who are so highly ranked that even as they decline they're better than most league players (Bob Lindsey).Since you kept trading QBs and so forth of various ages with different packages of picks among other things, now you're stuck in a position where you don't have enough picks to replace all of the positions I mentioned but none of your players really have enough value to garner any real trade value. That's a pickle. For my part, even though I trade future draft picks, everything is carefully designed in such a way that when I hit that same wall, my QB should be in his mid-thirties and about to retire anyway. That way, when I have to wait out a few months without any picks, I'm not wasting any of my playoff window.
You've traded say, a first round pick for X, then traded X for Y which is really worth a second round pick. Then you traded Y for Z even though Z was only really maybe worth a third or a fourth, then they aged and their value fell to maybe a fifth and now you're stuck because you've essentially given away future franchise value for no gain.
Not trying to be critical just trying to be very specific with my analysis as I've made the same mistake two or three times now. It's only working for me now because I've leaned the hard way and become obsessive about wasting the best years of my QB's prime (Elric, Creed).
Since I try to focus just as much on age as I do skill, if it falls through, I still have a pocket of relatively young players I can trade off to regain most of my missing picks although that, by default, requires me to commit to a complete rebuild.
[Edited on 1-20-2017 by luminafire]
geosfreddy
January 20, 2017 at 01:02PM View BBCode
After a few games of negative results and Td famine Gray Squirrel's threat to cut a second finger tendon from geos 's finger resulting in paralysiz resulted in panic mode and we were obligated to recite the word touch down. After a famine of geo political existencialism epic proportions the fingers were saved from a second through the bone of finger bite. Is the Sota Mojo Back? Can't answer today.
1950srobot
I mean, my Strategies are not different from other teams in other Leagues, and the running games on those other two teams is Top Ten or higher.
Your assessment of Offensive Linemen ratings may differ from mine, but my assessment is no different here than in those other Leagues (playing basically the same owners as well.) But I can clearly see the O-line I've assembled here is just not as good.
I feel like Aggression with RBs is overrated--two of the top four rushers in the League have C+ or less Aggression, and SF's Kush has been a stud for years with F Aggression. My starter Williams averages 4.4 yards but only 18% on 1st Downs, which is more the problem of the O-line than with him. I just wish my top two RBs did not have D Stamina.
The passing game was never going to work even with QB Stanfill being more than adequate. I only drafted one reasonable WR who has caught just under 50% and dropped six. No real reason for that, either--
http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3967148
The worst thing you can say is he isn't Red Agility, but everything else is solid.
Everything about the Defense has sucked for all the reasons you mention. I started accumulating some youth with the hope of finding decent starters from the jetsam but nothing is jumping out.
[Edited on 1-21-2017 by 1950srobot]
January 21, 2017 at 02:57AM View BBCode
A lot of what you're bringing to bear, lumina, bespeaks of how aberrant some of what is happening to Hamilton is happening.I mean, my Strategies are not different from other teams in other Leagues, and the running games on those other two teams is Top Ten or higher.
Your assessment of Offensive Linemen ratings may differ from mine, but my assessment is no different here than in those other Leagues (playing basically the same owners as well.) But I can clearly see the O-line I've assembled here is just not as good.
I feel like Aggression with RBs is overrated--two of the top four rushers in the League have C+ or less Aggression, and SF's Kush has been a stud for years with F Aggression. My starter Williams averages 4.4 yards but only 18% on 1st Downs, which is more the problem of the O-line than with him. I just wish my top two RBs did not have D Stamina.
The passing game was never going to work even with QB Stanfill being more than adequate. I only drafted one reasonable WR who has caught just under 50% and dropped six. No real reason for that, either--
http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3967148
The worst thing you can say is he isn't Red Agility, but everything else is solid.
Everything about the Defense has sucked for all the reasons you mention. I started accumulating some youth with the hope of finding decent starters from the jetsam but nothing is jumping out.
[Edited on 1-21-2017 by 1950srobot]
luminafire
I agree stamina also harms your chances of taking advantage of you run blocking. My starting RB has always had low stamina in spite of efforts to raise it and part of the main reason I have success now is by compensating with solid #2 and #3 RBs (ironically, these depth RBs both have D stamina). Securing a starter with at least C stamina to be first in the rotation could help. But only if you dedicate more plays to the run.
Your play calling may not be different from other people in the league but your equipment is different. There is hardly anyone whose entire offensive line is lacking so much pass blocking so you actually need a very unique set of playcalling to have success with the current set up. Before I attained three A+ pass blocking offensive linemen, the most I'd pass the ball in a game was 25-28 times.
Stanfill is a pretty good executor. Your best chance of success is likely a heavy run offense in which you're only passing the ball 20-25 times a game and having most of those passes be play action since you're not having success throwing it deep and you're not getting many YAC from throwing it short. If you find the right balance and don't panic and adjust the sliders mid-game if you're loosing or not scoring, eventually it may cause your opponent to try to commit to either stopping your run or your pass which will give the other a much higher chance of success. Still, you're not going to have much success on offense IMO until you replace some of, if not all, of the offensive line. If it were me, that'd be step one and I'd throw all resources available at getting the best and youngest offensive linemen I can find since this season is already a wash for you.
Sometimes, the worst thing you can do is change a strategy or alter a slider even if, from afar, a strategy doesn't look like it's working. If I'm running a 50/50 run/pass offense, they're killing my run averages for two quarters but my pass numbers are moderately better than the run game, instinct is to start passing the ball more. If I'm your opponent however, seeing you backed against the wall in the third quarter, I may go full pass offense and kill your mediocre pass game which has now become one dimensional. If you'd stuck with the balanced offense or even gone run heavy in spite of being down, my defense may never key correctly to your offense.
As far as your defense, that looks like a much more expensive problem to fix. I stand by my analysis that the entire defensive line, the entire linebacker corps and at least one of the safeties all need to be replaced.
[Edited on 1-21-2017 by luminafire]
January 21, 2017 at 03:56AM View BBCode
In my experience, aggression isn't a necessity to have success as a running back, but if it's a running back trying to overcome a lack of blocking, the higher aggression RBs fight for more yards which translate into more first downs. You have a lot of run blocking but you're hardly running the ball and I've found, having a fairly good run game the past few seasons, that you can to keep running the ball sometimes even when it is not successful in order to get those big runs. I think the aggression aspect is debateable but I think the fact that you're not running that often is valid.I agree stamina also harms your chances of taking advantage of you run blocking. My starting RB has always had low stamina in spite of efforts to raise it and part of the main reason I have success now is by compensating with solid #2 and #3 RBs (ironically, these depth RBs both have D stamina). Securing a starter with at least C stamina to be first in the rotation could help. But only if you dedicate more plays to the run.
Your play calling may not be different from other people in the league but your equipment is different. There is hardly anyone whose entire offensive line is lacking so much pass blocking so you actually need a very unique set of playcalling to have success with the current set up. Before I attained three A+ pass blocking offensive linemen, the most I'd pass the ball in a game was 25-28 times.
Stanfill is a pretty good executor. Your best chance of success is likely a heavy run offense in which you're only passing the ball 20-25 times a game and having most of those passes be play action since you're not having success throwing it deep and you're not getting many YAC from throwing it short. If you find the right balance and don't panic and adjust the sliders mid-game if you're loosing or not scoring, eventually it may cause your opponent to try to commit to either stopping your run or your pass which will give the other a much higher chance of success. Still, you're not going to have much success on offense IMO until you replace some of, if not all, of the offensive line. If it were me, that'd be step one and I'd throw all resources available at getting the best and youngest offensive linemen I can find since this season is already a wash for you.
Sometimes, the worst thing you can do is change a strategy or alter a slider even if, from afar, a strategy doesn't look like it's working. If I'm running a 50/50 run/pass offense, they're killing my run averages for two quarters but my pass numbers are moderately better than the run game, instinct is to start passing the ball more. If I'm your opponent however, seeing you backed against the wall in the third quarter, I may go full pass offense and kill your mediocre pass game which has now become one dimensional. If you'd stuck with the balanced offense or even gone run heavy in spite of being down, my defense may never key correctly to your offense.
As far as your defense, that looks like a much more expensive problem to fix. I stand by my analysis that the entire defensive line, the entire linebacker corps and at least one of the safeties all need to be replaced.
[Edited on 1-21-2017 by luminafire]
luminafire
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January 21, 2017 at 03:58AM View BBCode
Much like in real life, SimDynasty football is won in the trenches, Offensive line, secondary, defensive line in that order. If all of that is tops, the rest is gravy. No two ways around it, the numbers don't lie that your passing game is wasting your time at this point as it is not producing results. Running the ball a lot more is your best chance. I have an offensive line that is full of A+ pass blockers and a very successful passing game this year and yet I still am not happy with my average of over thirty passes a game. The more times you pass the more times you risk an interception, a sack or a fumble or a wasted play for no yardage.[Edited on 1-21-2017 by luminafire]
geosfreddy
This without going into the individual per player per position attribute needs.
1- Get the QB you like and keep him or them
2- Keep as much of your roster intact when you see some success on the O and or the D and draft on needs if the positions that play well are set. Trading too much confuses the pluses you gained with a current roster.
3-Design a playbook in the advanced strategies and if positive results good great or phenomenal happen - name it and keep it saved - easier to adjust and save when forced to tweak it.
4-Watch the improvements and declines closely if the team average can't hit 14 - 20 percent succesfull conversions trouble is on the horizon. Rebuilds are exempted. I am more talking overall averages here. I take the extra step to follow each player.
5-as a contender a trade for a super star geriatric will pay big as a strugling team No Way Hose If I am struggling 1 player will not save me nor you. Carefull good old players belong on star studded contenders and not teams that want to break out in time.
6-special teams matter get the best tee holder money can buy shown in the player H attribute carefull HT makes onside kicks easy as it means Hands team. H means place holder.
7-special teams 2nd. ed. Krb's Gun's and Kr's will more than not do some magic when you tweak the special teams all around - To date I have neglected Jumpers that will help possibly block an Fg giving good field position to you. I'll try next season.
so far I can add so much more but I'll stop here for now. And listen to feedback.
As far as tanking I really trust each and every player here is doing their best to compete I have zero doubt.
PS- u2u me for a starter pack playbook you can build on. Offence only..... something to enjoy. Except contending or conference teams lol.....
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The best teams I run in the 4 leagues I play in are the ones I do my best to keep intact with a steady roster. I ate it once when after a 2 season total rebuild I failed to watch the aging of the team happening all at the same time. Thus The fairest strategy in having good results or great success for my gaming is as follows.
This without going into the individual per player per position attribute needs.
1- Get the QB you like and keep him or them
2- Keep as much of your roster intact when you see some success on the O and or the D and draft on needs if the positions that play well are set. Trading too much confuses the pluses you gained with a current roster.
3-Design a playbook in the advanced strategies and if positive results good great or phenomenal happen - name it and keep it saved - easier to adjust and save when forced to tweak it.
4-Watch the improvements and declines closely if the team average can't hit 14 - 20 percent succesfull conversions trouble is on the horizon. Rebuilds are exempted. I am more talking overall averages here. I take the extra step to follow each player.
5-as a contender a trade for a super star geriatric will pay big as a strugling team No Way Hose If I am struggling 1 player will not save me nor you. Carefull good old players belong on star studded contenders and not teams that want to break out in time.
6-special teams matter get the best tee holder money can buy shown in the player H attribute carefull HT makes onside kicks easy as it means Hands team. H means place holder.
7-special teams 2nd. ed. Krb's Gun's and Kr's will more than not do some magic when you tweak the special teams all around - To date I have neglected Jumpers that will help possibly block an Fg giving good field position to you. I'll try next season.
so far I can add so much more but I'll stop here for now. And listen to feedback.
As far as tanking I really trust each and every player here is doing their best to compete I have zero doubt.
PS- u2u me for a starter pack playbook you can build on. Offence only..... something to enjoy. Except contending or conference teams lol.....
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