geosfreddy
This years draft bits and bytes
November 17, 2015 at 06:45AM View BBCode
I'll start it up now that I got a break at work----
Minnesota - No news made in this years draft as geo 2nd ed. is probably getting delegated to coaching only duties when New "imagenary" Ownership takes over the team and promises to anounce prior to game 1. My draft -- super potential of some mediocre executioners.... No grade....
Observations ----
New Jersey - Very smart move to keep team intact after having over capped before the draft ran. Guys can now make a run on one of those nasty Running Backs..... Look out for VOGDS -- will play at 21 and the sky is the limit to me the steal on the D with all those A's don't worry about that B in PC-
New England --- Once again a deep draft working to re invent a strong O-line will help an already strong and deep roster. Joey will have to hire the "ATTITUDE ADJUSTER" to work on 5 of his top 7 picks - the cons of drafting 21 year olds vs the pros.
Boston - prideco gets A top receiver that may also need to have his attitude put in check. gets a top center and now has a trade or keep dilema with too too too much depth on the O-line. The receiver Denver is ready to make noise.
Montreal - WR Walik is the offensive steal in this draft though drafted highly plays 90% of the season at 22 and will he show what is expected in his IC chart? nyco will need to hang a money bag a few feet above him and get him to start jumping as this speed devil must do. Add a solid RB and ??????? Say what 2nd red letter FB????? oooops I see the run lane ability I get it....
Milwaukee - pirate is in a nasty spot after gettin the zim team too many picks year in year out and I envy and feel bad for this as it involves too much effort and in this draft the results are mixed.
And finally --- After chat in chat out having my pick just like the mounties do lumina got his men......
Overall I thing most of our players got good depth and more.
Just my opinions here and there.....
luminafire
November 17, 2015 at 12:52PM View BBCode
It was a really good draft. Leaving for work soon, but I'll have to look at it in more detail when I get home. I pretty much just had two picks (two very high first round picks) and after months of putting way too much thought in it, I've landed exactly where I wanted to. For a few days I considered that it was a waste of time to have gotten Eric Elric back even though it didn't cost me much because he's 32, but nostalgia got the best of me and I saw he was available.
After months of targeting my #2 pick, Nolan Creed, I saw he had H aggr and L exe so I knew drafting him was a risk. The other starter-ready QB available had a sluggish rate of development and his speed and agi weren't very good even though his BrkTkl probably helps him not get sacked but Creed had H potential which, as suspected, was revealed to be an A. I figured, are drafting Eric Elric in 1980 and be cursed with his horrid A+ (at the time) aggression and mediocre (at the time) execution score, I figure, surely, my next franchise QB isn't going to end up with A+ aggression, H or not, A+ is pretty rare.
Sure enough, A+ aggression -_- and D+ execution which turned C- the day after the draft but Eric is just now exiting the world of red letter aggression and is finally B+ after nine seasons of D drills. Nine.
So it'll be interesting to see how Nolan Creed's journey goes. He's got, I think, the best array of weapons in the league-- even my tight end looks to be deadly. It's lucky that I happened to grab Eric who'll probably last 1-3 more years cause Creed starting all 16 games with his current stats is a disaster waiting to happen.
Looking at four months of work making crazy decisions and taking a lot of risks, overall when you look at it, that is a deadly looking team on paper.
[Edited on 11-17-2015 by luminafire]
geosfreddy
November 17, 2015 at 03:27PM View BBCode
Looks like I should manufacture some more attitude adjusters lumina .... That's why the QB was ranked a bit off... still will work out....
vonjoho
November 17, 2015 at 05:22PM View BBCode
My Draft was shall we say a reset of sorts. Most people are wary of taking RB's in the draft high because, well, lets face it... RB's are a dime a dozen. So what did I do? I drafted two RB's with my first two available picks =) gotta stick with avoiding the trends (kinda like setting the stage for the passing attack of the ages in a run first league). 2 Quarters down in the first preseason game and my 20 year old rookie was 2 yards shy of 100.... Promising start.
I picked up a couple LB's to go with the squad that I have now, a weak spot on my defense that I would consider making some trades to acquire some improvements there hint hint, and a couple Olinemen to finish it out (Olinemen that will most likely hit the waiver wire as they really arent very good)
Overall I am disappointed that i didn't bring home a LB that could start right away and make a difference on the defense, but I feel like i have renewed my rushing attack so I would give myself a solid B+ this season.
Picks that I find interesting:
#2 Nolan Creed QB - I personally would have avoided taking this QB, Power higher than Accuracy and Aggression that is way off the richter scale makes him the reincarnation of the interception king. Honestly my favorite QB out of this draft is OLB Ted Brodnicki.
#31 Jake Mazzanti LB - This kid is going to be a stud, with some discipline training he will be a force in the defensive center, directing the defense around him to help shut down opposing teams.
#61 Bubba Dodd G - Really?!?! I don't know how this kid dropped all the to the end of the second round... Red Letter Potential and Attitude, Red letter pass blocking, red letter strength, B execution.... this guy was a steal and a half at the end of the second.
#91 Joe Thompson FB - As much as I hate to say it, Montreal got one of the better position players at 91.... A FB that will start for 10 seasons at least, and wreak havoc on those little guys trying to bring down the RB in the back field... oh wait, that execution is going to hurt... i bet he misses a block at least once a game this season
1950srobot
November 17, 2015 at 06:53PM View BBCode
The way Saskatchewan sees the Draft, they picked up their 8th, 20th and 24th ranked players.
Cornerback had to be addressed, and I guess I'm glad the second-best CB in the Draft was available at the top of the 2nd. http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3499300
Only C Potential, but whatever. He's the top CB on my team at this point, with every periphery pointing toward a decent career.
http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3526821
The above RT taken in Rd 3, 21 yrs old. Probably a back-up unless I get lucky with some Improves, but C+/C- probably doesn't bespeak of an eventual starter.
I liked the Rd 4 SS better, http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3499319
At least there's value in the guy relative to Draft Position.
SASK gets a B-, based on the CB alone.
ggoforth
November 17, 2015 at 07:10PM View BBCode
The cowboys needed a CB real bad and when I took my first look at the draft results, I felt like a kid who just saw a bicycle under the tree Christmas morning. I did not expect the number 1 CB in the draft to be there at 17. I went so far as to rank the second best CB number 2 on my board so I would possible get him.
In the 2nd round we drafted a TE who is decent and is better than what I had so he will start.
Beyond that we just got fillers.
Grade B
luminafire
November 17, 2015 at 08:17PM View BBCode
Creed is nowhere near starting but I have Eric. He has time. Clay will be B+ overall forever and he can't scramble. Creed has the higher upside but it'll take 2-3 seasons. As long as he gets playing time, A+ accuracy is inevitable plus he could develop red hands speed and/or ago during his career. I looked at all three QBs for months and how they grew and Creed's talent could outweigh his aggression
[Edited on 11-17-2015 by luminafire]
geosfreddy
November 17, 2015 at 09:46PM View BBCode
Originally posted by luminafire
Creed is nowhere near starting but I have Eric. He has time. Clay will be B+ overall forever and he can't scramble. Creed has the higher upside but it'll take 2-3 seasons. As long as he gets playing time, A+ accuracy is inevitable plus he could develop red hands speed and/or ago during his career. I looked at all three QBs for months and how they grew and Creed's talent could outweigh his aggression
[Edited on 11-17-2015 by luminafire]
Creed has to get full reps or it's a wasted pick. Of you go back and read the thread I posted a while back on IC's if he does not get 15.001 minutes a game he loses out key IC's and in the longevity of a season the difference on avg for his pot is 38% of 57 ic's vs 48% of 32 Ic's in prime development age. Drills are set based on ATT play or not.
Compare Ontoko who played part time in his 1st year and misses 20 chances over the season and then look at Hoyle "correct me if I'm wrong where Mtl had him part time with Munster and only missed 7 Ic's then follow Mckoy played almost every down for joey season 1 and got 58 chances. This will make or break his career.
just get a refresher from the thread
http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=417003
[Edited on 11-17-2015 by geosfreddy]
BobR
November 17, 2015 at 10:50PM View BBCode
Pittsburgh grades it draft B+, for the 2nd year in a row we didn't get
a stud receiver we were hoping for but the 1st 3 rounds will all move
into the starting lineup on defense, my aging veterans were having
trouble staying healthy:
1st- McGee DE, very good skill set across the board, starter day 1
2nd- Oliver LB, good on pass defense
3rd- Hirsh DE, with a little skill improvement should be a solid starter
4th, 5th Janikowski, Vinson WR, hoping in time one of them steps up
into a starting WR
6th Scarpino QB, 7th Burke C, both are waiver wire fodder
luminafire
November 18, 2015 at 07:02AM View BBCode
Originally posted by geosfreddy
Originally posted by luminafire
Creed is nowhere near starting but I have Eric. He has time. Clay will be B+ overall forever and he can't scramble. Creed has the higher upside but it'll take 2-3 seasons. As long as he gets playing time, A+ accuracy is inevitable plus he could develop red hands speed and/or ago during his career. I looked at all three QBs for months and how they grew and Creed's talent could outweigh his aggression
[Edited on 11-17-2015 by luminafire]
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Creed has to get full reps or it's a wasted pick. Of you go back and read the thread I posted a while back on IC's if he does not get 15.001 minutes a game he loses out key IC's and in the longevity of a season the difference on avg for his pot is 38% of 57 ic's vs 48% of 32 Ic's in prime development age. Drills are set based on ATT play or not.
Compare Ontoko who played part time in his 1st year and misses 20 chances over the season and then look at Hoyle "correct me if I'm wrong where Mtl had him part time with Munster and only missed 7 Ic's then follow Mckoy played almost every down for joey season 1 and got 58 chances. This will make or break his career.
just get a refresher from the thread
http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=417003
[Edited on 11-17-2015 by geosfreddy]
Indeed. I'm going to find creative ways of making sure he gets playing time. If you look at today, he was in for exactly fifteen minutes. I may be able to play one in pro set and one in the i formation, plus Creed can probably play a decent running back, he can be a holder, ect, just gotta make sure he gets his playing time.
Eric Elric started out with A+ aggression and actually less accuracy but he still ended up double A+ and B+ aggression although it took many years. None of these other QBs up till Glenn Smith are worth waiting for IMO, geo and I looked at Gene Mormon (next draft) but I'd rather have someone who can throw, who can scramble and who has a high ceiling for improvement. The choice seemed inevitable although I was stuck on Darnell Clay for a long time-- he just is too lacking in mobility for my liking. I've worked hard to build a team that doesn't need the QB to throw it every down or throw it deep every time they drop back, the team is becoming pretty QB proof so I'm not worried.
It's an excuse to play Eric Elric again so I'm happy :)
[Edited on 11-18-2015 by luminafire]
geosfreddy
November 18, 2015 at 07:10AM View BBCode
Glen Smith is Minnesota's Fod Fitzgerald jr. After Battism or is it Moorman????
luminafire
November 18, 2015 at 07:37AM View BBCode
Moorman looks pretty great. Talk about being able to scramble. Medium execution, medium aggression... my only thing with him is that he's only had one decent year of IC development in college making me wonder if his potential is low and since his accuracy is B+, if his potential isn't great he may not get much better than B+ accuracy, but you can't have it all.
Darnell Clay is another one that looks pretty good but he probably won't get much better than he is, or at least not for a very long time. I figured it was statistically improbable that I would end up drafting another A+ aggression QB just because his aggr was H (B+, A- or A and I would not be so annoyed, but A+... again) but he's three spots below the first A- overall QB, he's going to go A- overall this year and is a possible future A overall if he maintains his rate of growth. Worth waiting for, in my opinion
[Edited on 11-18-2015 by luminafire]
[Edited on 11-18-2015 by luminafire]
Nycochamp
November 18, 2015 at 10:38AM View BBCode
My draft this year was really a good one. I've read the boards carefully on the draft strategies and player improvements and I added 3 starters and a run blocking fullback to compliment my other ace who pass blocks. I will miss my older style running game as my running backs got old fast my new boy has huge shoes to fill. I think he starts right away.
luminafire
November 18, 2015 at 04:20PM View BBCode
After one day, Creed's execution moved from D to C-. After the second day his aggression went down from A+ to A. I feel good about the move I made. He looked really good in the first preseason game against a first string defense
JoeyMac08
November 18, 2015 at 08:13PM View BBCode
Creed looks just like Elric but with less execution and a worse attitude.
luminafire
November 18, 2015 at 08:26PM View BBCode
But higher potential and younger since players are younger than they were in 1980. His throwing stats are also a lot better than Eric Elric's were when I took him. Elric had less accuracy, he didn't have any carry, he had speed but no agility, B hands.
Interestingly, Eric Elric's starting execution was a B so he's not doomed in that respect either. I noted the lower attitude score too but he still has a shot and luckily attitude improves over time with discipline drills.
Just like with Elric, look, he's a QB with amazing talent but he's prone to getting picked off. The key to QBs like that, in my opinion, is building a team that isn't totally dependent on the QB throwing every down. We've got a nice run game. The alternative was waiting for Glenn Smith (but I can't compete with Minnesota's millions and one first round picks) or Gene Mormon who I'm not thrilled about either.
Also, Elric was stuck with A+ aggression until he was like 25. At least Creed will be starting off his first regular season at A. With Elric, he got a lot better at A- which is doable but as you can see from last season, Elric added a dimension to Syracuse but they succeeded because the entire team was great with or without him. With a bit more execution in some key positions, I'm on my way to that kind of complete team that can survive an overly aggressive QB and when he eventually calms down (which he will) he'll have been more than worth the wait.
[Edited on 11-18-2015 by luminafire]
[Edited on 11-18-2015 by luminafire]
1950srobot
November 19, 2015 at 02:59AM View BBCode
I'm not crazy about Moorman at all. I just don't think he's going to be very accurate, ever, but I guess if he's surrounded by premium receivers (deep threats,) he'll do all right for someone. Someone not me.
With all the brilliant success I've had in this facking game, I pretty much have no idea what makes a good QB. Drafted Plunkett and got so facking fed up with his INTs that I had to rage-trade him. Now I'm going to be drafting yet another QB this Offseason.
1950srobot
November 19, 2015 at 02:59AM View formatted
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Basically it looks like the choice for Saskatchewan (because we have Winnipeg's Rd 1, but there's no chance in hell that's a number one overall so Glenn Smith is out) will come down between Quinn and Lomas; however, Lomas is pretty much Plunkett Part Two, but I always get excited about A+ Accuracy and B+ Arm. It's why I'm so successful. Lomas can run around, though. But if my trend is to draft these types, and they never work out, then well...you know.
Quinn on the other hand is a concrete abutment. He has utterly NO mobility whatsoever, so he'll need a great O-line and run game and everything else just to make it through a season.
geosfreddy
November 19, 2015 at 04:08AM View BBCode
I'm going to make a hard play for Both lol....... Another huge dilema if you have not seen this A kind of guy.
http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3554049
for sure he has red EXE = plenty of 55 yarders and years of field position power. Bet he goes top 10 if not 5..... Once in a while we have to go against our draft policies.... Will he declare??????
Stay tune Minnesota new conference will be held prior to opening kickoff geos will announce new owner partner taking 98% shares of Sota with Her real photo. Should get some chukles.
[Edited on 11-19-2015 by geosfreddy]
luminafire
November 19, 2015 at 12:57PM View BBCode
That just goes to show that the interception-death-sentence isn't necessarily just because the QB had high aggression, and Plunkett was a very accurate QB it's more a matter of different kinds of interceptions and why they're being thrown. So far that's the second QB (Wingate, Plunkett) who I've seen ditched from their teams because of high interception rates even though their aggression was what we'd call "acceptable" (although Plunkett's F aggression just cannot be good). It's a matter of knowing your QB, his faults and what can be done to improve him. If Creed had Plunkett's scores and still had his A aggr but no A potential, I'd probably trade him too.
The QB can't win the entire game. Not unless he's a megastar, and there aren't many. Moreover, the few that we do have in the league aren't doing super-great (McKoy, Wingate) in terms of winning titles. After a year of playing, I've realized just how little the QB actually matters, but I believe Creed has a really good shot at becoming something very enviable by the time he's 25, I just need two or three more seasons out of Eric before he hangs them up.
As far as the draft goes, I noticed Charlotte's/Chicago's choice for #1 overall and I am again perplexed. They clearly reorganized their draft and the A- carry is nice, but if they were just going to draft a WR anyway, why on Earth would they let the A overall one slip through their fingers when they had the #1 overall pick? Seeing how the draft went if I could do it again, I'd have gotten that WR at #2 and gotten my QB and #5 but I didn't realize people were so scared of his aggression at the time.
luminafire
November 19, 2015 at 01:03PM View BBCode
To expound on that, so far I notice of Creed he's thrown about three passes that were either picked off (2) or nearly picked off (1, but they dropped the ball) because of "poor throws" and "QB errors" which probably goes to his execution being low. Eric Elric threw a pick yesterday that didn't have any qualifier, he was under pressure, he threw and someone came up with it which I've always assumed had more to do with interceptions that came from high aggression (or just a bad decision, any QB could make a bad read)
My tight end though... solid pick. At 21 he ranks in the top ten TE's and is a lot better than some of them IMO, blocks the run, decently strong, has glue for hands and YAC capability... in fact, I really really like both of my tight ends.
[Edited on 11-19-2015 by luminafire]
geosfreddy
November 19, 2015 at 01:43PM View BBCode
Originally posted by luminafire
As far as the draft goes, I noticed Charlotte's/Chicago's choice for #1 overall and I am again perplexed. They clearly reorganized their draft and the A- carry is nice, but if they were just going to draft a WR anyway, why on Earth would they let the A overall one slip through their fingers when they had the #1 overall pick? Seeing how the draft went if I could do it again, I'd have gotten that WR at #2 and gotten my QB and #5 but I didn't realize people were so scared of his aggression at the time.
I probably would have done the same after making a key error and taking an A receiver that never developed and went B+ at 30 starting huge declines at 27.There is no gaff there.
I still love the back to back picks by scifi and nyco (Looking at the combine). They know what they are doing. By game 5 or W will get hisr A cookie and the other will excell. One is green exe (who cares) the other is green jump but watch these 2 Klosterman and Walik.
[Edited on 11-19-2015 by geosfreddy]
Lebanon_Oilers
November 20, 2015 at 09:38PM View BBCode
I'm a little late weighing in here, but I'm hopeful that the two new LBs (Vedder and Shepherd) I drafted will improve my porous run defense from last season. I'm not putting a whole lot of stock into the pre-season stats, but my team did allow the fewest rushing yards per game.
Rudy Reese gives me a good solid backup at Center for the next 8-10 seasons.
DE Mark Haslett had a nice preseason (3 sacks, 1 PD), but I'm concerned about that B agility against top-flight OLs.
There wasn't a lot left at WR when I got Kenny Maley. A horrendous pre-season coupled w/ a lack of red letters assures he will begin the season on the bench. Ditto on the bench for RT Rory Moore.
Bottom line: If I can contain the run better (and keep my QB upright), I can win my division (even w/ 9 playoff teams on my schedule). If not, I'll finish around .500 or worse (SASK is hoping for worse since it has my 1st round pick next season).
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