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gannable
would you trade a first for him? for me such a pitcher isn't worth much beyond a 2nd and a 2nd rate prospect
is he worth this pitcher and a 2nd?
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=11607169
i completely balked at this proposal, and the other person was a little indignant
trade value
November 02, 2015 at 12:17AM View BBCode
how much do you think a declining 35 OS SP at A- control, A- velocity is worth?would you trade a first for him? for me such a pitcher isn't worth much beyond a 2nd and a 2nd rate prospect
is he worth this pitcher and a 2nd?
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=11607169
i completely balked at this proposal, and the other person was a little indignant
dirtdevil
I'd give a playoff 2 for the player you describe. No more.
November 02, 2015 at 12:19AM View BBCode
The other person is a moron.I'd give a playoff 2 for the player you describe. No more.
gannable
my response was "what????????????"
and that warranted a lecture on trade negotiating etiquette.
well don't insult me with a ridiculous offer. he's basically assuming I'm a newbie idiot who doesn't know anything.
hey, check the owner card
November 02, 2015 at 12:44AM View BBCode
for the recordmy response was "what????????????"
and that warranted a lecture on trade negotiating etiquette.
well don't insult me with a ridiculous offer. he's basically assuming I'm a newbie idiot who doesn't know anything.
hey, check the owner card
tworoosters
"Thanks for the offer but I don't see how this deal offers me appropriate value so I'll have to pass"
There are always owners out there who believe that the "art of the deal" involves a low ball offer or a ridiculously high offer to "get the ball rolling" .
November 02, 2015 at 02:34AM View BBCode
My standard response to this type of offer is:"Thanks for the offer but I don't see how this deal offers me appropriate value so I'll have to pass"
There are always owners out there who believe that the "art of the deal" involves a low ball offer or a ridiculously high offer to "get the ball rolling" .
gannable
in my mind, i have a value that im willing to give up for a players; and typically that's my offer. so people that want to play the negotiating game sometimes may misinterpret how much i'll bend.
i operate like this because I always have a plan and a vision. If i see a player that fits that plan, Im not into playing games. i want to get the deal finished aSAP.
sometimes, i may lowball a bit but that's because I think i can get away with it; and im in the mindset of extending a run as long as possible so im being conservative with assets. or i may think i need to make another move so i want to be careful with what i trade
basically, what im willing to give up changes with the circumstances of my team but its not a great difference either way.
in this case for my purposes, the SP is not worth more than a 2nd and a marginal prospect. once a pitcher hits 34 OS i have very little interest; when I first joined the website, I got burnt big time on a true ace who got murdered in his first decline so I'm been leery about those pitchers.
moreover, my team isn't very good but neither is the entire league, there is a chance of stealing a playoff in a 24 team league; however im to going to mortgage any young studs for that chance.
honestly, once a SP hits 30 OS an A- A- pitcher isn't worth more than a 1st/2nd to me; unless there's an extreme circumstance where that pitcher would be upper echelon, and the pitching in the league would have to be very weak.
November 02, 2015 at 03:35AM View formatted
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i agree that some owners operate in that manner
in my mind, i have a value that im willing to give up for a players; and typically that's my offer. so people that want to play the negotiating game sometimes may misinterpret how much i'll bend.
i operate like this because I always have a plan and a vision. If i see a player that fits that plan, Im not into playing games. i want to get the deal finished aSAP.
sometimes, i may lowball a bit but that's because I think i can get away with it; and im in the mindset of extending a run as long as possible so im being conservative with assets. or i may think i need to make another move so i want to be careful with what i trade
basically, what im willing to give up changes with the circumstances of my team but its not a great difference either way.
in this case for my purposes, the SP is not worth more than a 2nd and a marginal prospect. once a pitcher hits 34 OS i have very little interest; when I first joined the website, I got burnt big time on a true ace who got murdered in his first decline so I'm been leery about those pitchers.
moreover, my team isn't very good but neither is the entire league, there is a chance of stealing a playoff in a 24 team league; however im to going to mortgage any young studs for that chance.
honestly, once a SP hits 30 OS an A- A- pitcher isn't worth more than a 1st/2nd to me; unless there's an extreme circumstance where that pitcher would be upper echelon, and the pitching in the league would have to be very weak.
todd999430
I too always had this belief... lately though I've had some nice extended runs in certain leagues with 34-36 year old B/A pitchers. I find myself look at the stats a bit more as well, comparing defenses and tons of other elements that may lead toward a successful pitcher for my squad, even if they're A-/A-.
November 14, 2015 at 12:34AM View BBCode
Originally posted by gannable
i agree that some owners operate in that manner
honestly, once a SP hits 30 OS an A- A- pitcher isn't worth more than a 1st/2nd to me; unless there's an extreme circumstance where that pitcher would be upper echelon, and the pitching in the league would have to be very weak.
I too always had this belief... lately though I've had some nice extended runs in certain leagues with 34-36 year old B/A pitchers. I find myself look at the stats a bit more as well, comparing defenses and tons of other elements that may lead toward a successful pitcher for my squad, even if they're A-/A-.
reddogs
What????? and you thought the other owner was indignant?
Next time, just push the decline button!!
:cool:
November 15, 2015 at 06:39PM View BBCode
Let me get this straight, you receive a poor offer and your response isWhat????? and you thought the other owner was indignant?
Next time, just push the decline button!!
:cool:
Frunobulax
For me it really depends on how ridiculous the offer is.
If an offer just very lopsided then I usually reply something like "I think we're very far apart on this one" or "I think we must have very different value systems".
If it's plainly ridiculous I may make some more or less impolite remarks, depending on my current mood. If I'm in a really bad mood then I make an even more ridiculous counter, like acquiring an all-star OS30 pitcher for a 2nd rounder. But that happens not very often :)
.f
November 17, 2015 at 01:07PM View BBCode
Originally posted by reddogs
Let me get this straight, you receive a poor offer and your response is
What????? and you thought the other owner was indignant?
Next time, just push the decline button!!
For me it really depends on how ridiculous the offer is.
If an offer just very lopsided then I usually reply something like "I think we're very far apart on this one" or "I think we must have very different value systems".
If it's plainly ridiculous I may make some more or less impolite remarks, depending on my current mood. If I'm in a really bad mood then I make an even more ridiculous counter, like acquiring an all-star OS30 pitcher for a 2nd rounder. But that happens not very often :)
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tworoosters
Now I just reply with "Thanks for the offer but I'll pass" .
November 17, 2015 at 03:30PM View BBCode
When I started in the sim and would receive a bad offer I would generally comment in my decline as to why I felt the offer wasn't equal, but then I realized that many owners have no intention of making quality offers they just toss out enough bad ones that sooner or later someone accepts.Now I just reply with "Thanks for the offer but I'll pass" .
Mongrel
I had something similar happen when I was still fairly new to the game, I made a counter offer, and then received a great big message from the other owner, who basically explained to me that I'm a stupid noob, and had no right to even think of the offer I had proposed. He also explained how he didn't get all the fancy impressive databits on his owner card by making such dealings as I was proposing. Seeing that he was basically trying to insult me into lowering my price, and although he didn't see my owner card as important enough, I knew the deal was trash, so it ended there.
Outside of the above incident, I've never really had such a bad experience. I personally like to try and send some sort of reply to any offer, no matter how much I don't like it. I also hate when other owners simply decline without any message or counter-offer.
Gannable, I've stayed away from this thread, since I am in this league with you. I believe we spoke about this specific owner privately, and I don't have to talk about that here. I hope this doesn't sour you on the league, we have a pretty good group among the active owners, and I think you have been a great addition to the league.
November 17, 2015 at 05:07PM View BBCode
reddogs, I believe gannable sent a counter-offer, and that's where the lecturing from the other owner took place.I had something similar happen when I was still fairly new to the game, I made a counter offer, and then received a great big message from the other owner, who basically explained to me that I'm a stupid noob, and had no right to even think of the offer I had proposed. He also explained how he didn't get all the fancy impressive databits on his owner card by making such dealings as I was proposing. Seeing that he was basically trying to insult me into lowering my price, and although he didn't see my owner card as important enough, I knew the deal was trash, so it ended there.
Outside of the above incident, I've never really had such a bad experience. I personally like to try and send some sort of reply to any offer, no matter how much I don't like it. I also hate when other owners simply decline without any message or counter-offer.
Gannable, I've stayed away from this thread, since I am in this league with you. I believe we spoke about this specific owner privately, and I don't have to talk about that here. I hope this doesn't sour you on the league, we have a pretty good group among the active owners, and I think you have been a great addition to the league.
dirtdevil
god, yes.
November 17, 2015 at 06:55PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Mongrel
I personally like to try and send some sort of reply to any offer, no matter how much I don't like it. I also hate when other owners simply decline without any message or counter-offer.
god, yes.
Frunobulax
If an owner makes an offer without writing any text, then I have no worries about declining without a comment.
November 19, 2015 at 09:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by Mongrel
I personally like to try and send some sort of reply to any offer, no matter how much I don't like it. I also hate when other owners simply decline without any message or counter-offer.
god, yes.
If an owner makes an offer without writing any text, then I have no worries about declining without a comment.
MDorf
What kind of text do you need on the offer? The offer is what it is, unless you want them to tell you why you should take it. I generally find text on the offers unnecessary. I do like to have an idea of why they are declining it, however. Of course I prefer a straight decline with no text to leaving the offer sit there with no response for eternity, which I seem to get way too often.
November 21, 2015 at 02:07AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Frunobulax
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by Mongrel
I personally like to try and send some sort of reply to any offer, no matter how much I don't like it. I also hate when other owners simply decline without any message or counter-offer.
god, yes.
If an owner makes an offer without writing any text, then I have no worries about declining without a comment.
What kind of text do you need on the offer? The offer is what it is, unless you want them to tell you why you should take it. I generally find text on the offers unnecessary. I do like to have an idea of why they are declining it, however. Of course I prefer a straight decline with no text to leaving the offer sit there with no response for eternity, which I seem to get way too often.
WillyD
November 21, 2015 at 02:27AM View BBCode
Generally speaking, if you don't get a response with your declined offer, it probably wasn't worth one.
dirtdevil
from you, maybe. but there are lots of owners who just won't comment at all.
November 21, 2015 at 03:16AM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Generally speaking, if you don't get a response with your declined offer, it probably wasn't worth one.
from you, maybe. but there are lots of owners who just won't comment at all.
WillyD
Ha Ha. Yes, there are some owners (many of them are in a bunch of leagues) that just don't like to trade, and tend to not comment on declines, or on their rare trade offers. They also tend to be the owners that usually fall short of the post-season.
So I'll edit my response to:
With the exception of those owners that never respond or comment on offers, if you don't get a response, it most likely wasn't worth one.
November 21, 2015 at 05:15PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by WillyD
Generally speaking, if you don't get a response with your declined offer, it probably wasn't worth one.
from you, maybe. but there are lots of owners who just won't comment at all.
Ha Ha. Yes, there are some owners (many of them are in a bunch of leagues) that just don't like to trade, and tend to not comment on declines, or on their rare trade offers. They also tend to be the owners that usually fall short of the post-season.
So I'll edit my response to:
With the exception of those owners that never respond or comment on offers, if you don't get a response, it most likely wasn't worth one.
Frunobulax
We were talking about ridiculous offers. If I get a reasonable offer then I will explain why I decline, or what would be necessary to make the trade happen. If I get a ridiculous offer without any comment then I'll often decline without comment.
November 21, 2015 at 08:49PM View BBCode
Originally posted by MDorf
Originally posted by Frunobulax
If an owner makes an offer without writing any text, then I have no worries about declining without a comment.
What kind of text do you need on the offer? The offer is what it is, unless you want them to tell you why you should take it. I generally find text on the offers unnecessary. I do like to have an idea of why they are declining it, however. Of course I prefer a straight decline with no text to leaving the offer sit there with no response for eternity, which I seem to get way too often.
We were talking about ridiculous offers. If I get a reasonable offer then I will explain why I decline, or what would be necessary to make the trade happen. If I get a ridiculous offer without any comment then I'll often decline without comment.
Mongrel
What kind of text do you need on the offer? The offer is what it is, unless you want them to tell you why you should take it. I generally find text on the offers unnecessary. I do like to have an idea of why they are declining it, however. Of course I prefer a straight decline with no text to leaving the offer sit there with no response for eternity, which I seem to get way too often.
Why don't you come join the GFL so we can start making each other offers again?
That is by far the worst. I am in the habit of writing "Please feel free to counter or discuss" with initial offers, especially if they are players I've never really had sucess dealing with before.
I think really the biggest reason why many owners don't work well at trading is they get way too emotional and don't understand the basic concept of negotiation.
Honestly even the most ridiculous offer I get I'll comment, simply to let them know they are way off target.
And the only thing they are good at is a lifetime of mediocrity.
November 21, 2015 at 10:27PM View BBCode
Originally posted by MDorfIf an owner makes an offer without writing any text, then I have no worries about declining without a comment.
What kind of text do you need on the offer? The offer is what it is, unless you want them to tell you why you should take it. I generally find text on the offers unnecessary. I do like to have an idea of why they are declining it, however. Of course I prefer a straight decline with no text to leaving the offer sit there with no response for eternity, which I seem to get way too often.
Why don't you come join the GFL so we can start making each other offers again?
That is by far the worst. I am in the habit of writing "Please feel free to counter or discuss" with initial offers, especially if they are players I've never really had sucess dealing with before.
I think really the biggest reason why many owners don't work well at trading is they get way too emotional and don't understand the basic concept of negotiation.
Honestly even the most ridiculous offer I get I'll comment, simply to let them know they are way off target.
Originally posted by WillyD
They also tend to be the owners that usually fall short of the post-season.
And the only thing they are good at is a lifetime of mediocrity.
MDorf
Why don't you come join the GFL so we can start making each other offers again?
Remember that offer I made for DiFalco? You should have taken it, but I'm glad you didn't. Check out Foucalt and Roux
http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=395333
November 22, 2015 at 10:59PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Mongrel
Originally posted by MDorfIf an owner makes an offer without writing any text, then I have no worries about declining without a comment.
What kind of text do you need on the offer? The offer is what it is, unless you want them to tell you why you should take it. I generally find text on the offers unnecessary. I do like to have an idea of why they are declining it, however. Of course I prefer a straight decline with no text to leaving the offer sit there with no response for eternity, which I seem to get way too often.
Why don't you come join the GFL so we can start making each other offers again?
Remember that offer I made for DiFalco? You should have taken it, but I'm glad you didn't. Check out Foucalt and Roux
http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=395333
Mongrel
Wow, that rings back memories. I think I ultimately decided to tough try and tough it out a few more years. Considering you eventually got Boisclair and Choi (The reliever turned starter who went 27-1 his first full year starting), the DiFalco deal probably would have been better for me.
Interesting reading that old thread, You always had a good knack for making offers that you thought were good for me. I like to think I try to do the same thing. I try at the least to ask myself if it makes sense for the other owner.
November 23, 2015 at 12:54AM View BBCode
Originally posted by MDorf
Remember that offer I made for DiFalco? You should have taken it, but I'm glad you didn't. Check out Foucalt and Roux
http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=395333
Wow, that rings back memories. I think I ultimately decided to tough try and tough it out a few more years. Considering you eventually got Boisclair and Choi (The reliever turned starter who went 27-1 his first full year starting), the DiFalco deal probably would have been better for me.
Interesting reading that old thread, You always had a good knack for making offers that you thought were good for me. I like to think I try to do the same thing. I try at the least to ask myself if it makes sense for the other owner.
MDorf
November 23, 2015 at 05:30AM View BBCode
I thought DD's projections were a bit low, but they both exceeded my expectations. ABE smiled on them, and they were my two cornerstones for several seasons. Each got enough rings to fill up a hand, though I think one came after I traded them to Pittsburgh.Pages: 1