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Lebanon_Oilers
Looking at my DL and LBs, I have:
I just gave up 205 yards rushing to a Montreal team that has half of their offensive line rated at a B or lower in run blocking and only gained less than 3 yards a carry despite Montreal having only 5 of 12 DL/LBs rated B+ or higher in run coverage. In fact, every team I've faced is averaging 5+ yards per carry against me. (On the flip side, I'm average a 31st ranked 3.5 per carry w/ 8 OL w/ red letter blocking, compared to my opponents average of less than 5 OL with red letter blocking)
I don't blitz that much, but it almost seems my run coverage is better when I'm blitzing.
And each game seems to be different. Against Rochester, their RB Dale scored twice on runs of 54 and 45 yards - the rest of the game he had 12 carries for 30 yards. Montreal, meanwhile, had one run of 20-plus yards, but had a lot of runs that ate up 5 and 10 yards at a time.
So now that I've given you the formula to beat me (just run the dam* ball), am I off base in what I'm looking at? I figured some well balanced guys w/ B+ or red letters in run coverage/tackling/strength/agility would be a good thing. Am I too balanced?
Running .... out of answers
October 30, 2015 at 08:59PM View BBCode
My team is giving up 227 rushing yards per game so far this season. Yes, a couple of those teams were run-heavy teams. But here's where I'm at a loss:Looking at my DL and LBs, I have:
- Two guys less than B+ on run cover (5 of 11 are red letter - opponents also average 5)
One guy less than B+ on tackling (6 of 11 are red letter - opponents average 6)
Two guys less than B+ on strength (5 of 11 are red letter - opponents average 6.5)
Two guys less than B+ on agility (5 of 11 are red letter - opponents average less than 4)
I just gave up 205 yards rushing to a Montreal team that has half of their offensive line rated at a B or lower in run blocking and only gained less than 3 yards a carry despite Montreal having only 5 of 12 DL/LBs rated B+ or higher in run coverage. In fact, every team I've faced is averaging 5+ yards per carry against me. (On the flip side, I'm average a 31st ranked 3.5 per carry w/ 8 OL w/ red letter blocking, compared to my opponents average of less than 5 OL with red letter blocking)
I don't blitz that much, but it almost seems my run coverage is better when I'm blitzing.
And each game seems to be different. Against Rochester, their RB Dale scored twice on runs of 54 and 45 yards - the rest of the game he had 12 carries for 30 yards. Montreal, meanwhile, had one run of 20-plus yards, but had a lot of runs that ate up 5 and 10 yards at a time.
So now that I've given you the formula to beat me (just run the dam* ball), am I off base in what I'm looking at? I figured some well balanced guys w/ B+ or red letters in run coverage/tackling/strength/agility would be a good thing. Am I too balanced?
luminafire
I think that execution isn't super-important but when you have issues with the other stats as they relate to their importance to the position, low execution compounds what would normally not be a totally devastating issue.
Still, LB isn't a position you should skimp on the strength for, especially not for all three starters. There's your run cover problem right there, at least three relatively minor issues in the LB group and the secondary and execution that may not screw you over by themselves but all three together = overall lack of competence
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October 30, 2015 at 10:28PM View formatted
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It may have to do with the fact your entire defense has low execution. None of your entire LB group has red letter strength. Your ILB is especially bad, not only does he have B+ tackle and is rated B overall, but his strength is B and he has C+ pursuit. The SS is good, but the MLB is probably the second most important guy who ought to be blocking the run and this guy can cover, but he can't tackle the guy, if he does the tackle can easily be roken, he can't follow the rushing lanes that well AND ontop of that he has no execution. To put this into perspective, the only competent guy you have covering the run is the SS and he still has B+ speed meaning he can get burned by speedy RB's and instead of being the last resort behind the LB's the the defensive line, since you have these minor weaknesses all over the D, he's probably the only thing stopping you from getting run on even worse than you are now.
I think that execution isn't super-important but when you have issues with the other stats as they relate to their importance to the position, low execution compounds what would normally not be a totally devastating issue.
Still, LB isn't a position you should skimp on the strength for, especially not for all three starters. There's your run cover problem right there, at least three relatively minor issues in the LB group and the secondary and execution that may not screw you over by themselves but all three together = overall lack of competence
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1950srobot
I'd also consider going Man-to-Man more, contrary to what many believe here. I just think M/M gives you more of a chance to stop the Run, particularly if it's a Down-and-Long play. I get caught in Nickel and 90% of the time that's a big gain with the opponent's Run.
I think M/M might be necessary despite how bad it will burn you vs the Pass. But if the Run is killing you, the Pass is going to swiftly follow-up kill you.
As far as Blitzing is concerned, you might have to up the % on that as well. Your LBs and Secondary aren't bad, but Strength seems lacking in a couple of them. And OLB Moore can't really play the Run; I gotta say, you might consider moving Moore to SS, Kasady to MLB, Ward to WOLB, Duckens at FS until Garrett gets healthy. I know it's crazy, but I think Duckens might help vs the Run more than Goode at this point, better tackler, and it won't hurt to try for the two games until Garrett is back. Or, most likely, move Moore to FS and Kasady back to SS once your LBs are all healthy again, with Garrett coming in in Nickel situations to replace Kasady.
And then, when LB Henke gets healthy, move him to MLB and make Ward his back-up (which is probably what you were doing anyway.) Henke is the Man among those LBs.
I'm saying make Moore the full-time SS or preferably the FS for the future. I think the help vs the Run and Pass will be immense.
And if it doesn't work, you're 1-4 now and watching the season slip away. Won't hurt a bit short- or long-term.
October 30, 2015 at 10:48PM View BBCode
What's your Substitution settings look like? If you're switching out your D-line too much--or not enough--it could be causing some problems stopping the Run. If your back-ups are getting into the game too much, ect.I'd also consider going Man-to-Man more, contrary to what many believe here. I just think M/M gives you more of a chance to stop the Run, particularly if it's a Down-and-Long play. I get caught in Nickel and 90% of the time that's a big gain with the opponent's Run.
I think M/M might be necessary despite how bad it will burn you vs the Pass. But if the Run is killing you, the Pass is going to swiftly follow-up kill you.
As far as Blitzing is concerned, you might have to up the % on that as well. Your LBs and Secondary aren't bad, but Strength seems lacking in a couple of them. And OLB Moore can't really play the Run; I gotta say, you might consider moving Moore to SS, Kasady to MLB, Ward to WOLB, Duckens at FS until Garrett gets healthy. I know it's crazy, but I think Duckens might help vs the Run more than Goode at this point, better tackler, and it won't hurt to try for the two games until Garrett is back. Or, most likely, move Moore to FS and Kasady back to SS once your LBs are all healthy again, with Garrett coming in in Nickel situations to replace Kasady.
And then, when LB Henke gets healthy, move him to MLB and make Ward his back-up (which is probably what you were doing anyway.) Henke is the Man among those LBs.
I'm saying make Moore the full-time SS or preferably the FS for the future. I think the help vs the Run and Pass will be immense.
And if it doesn't work, you're 1-4 now and watching the season slip away. Won't hurt a bit short- or long-term.
luminafire
If I were you, I would trade for a stronger LB, possibly with Rcov and pursuit and some agility, but largely it's an issue that you will likely have to fix through the draft because two of them need to straight up be replaced and the trade deadline is coming up so I'd do it soon.
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October 30, 2015 at 11:21PM View BBCode
If I were you I would NOT play the SS out of position, you have low executing players and they're just going to give up even bigger plays. Moore is a horrible SS. First of all, the main job of the SS is to stop the run if the rest of the D fails to do so so they don't get huge gains which is your complaint. Furhermore, I can tell you from personal experience of all the positions you do not want as out of position guys in the longterm, SS is probably #2 on my list. QB's are #1, offensive linemen #3 and kickers #4 Kasady's strength is not much better than your current LBs, you'd add a little pursuit at LB but if the defensive line and the linebackers-- who would still be weak overall -- fail, then you'd have an inconsistent SS with no run cover teaming with a FS who -- rightly so -- is focused on covering the pass. This is a recipe for complete disaster and penalties. Getting a natural safety at SS has upgraded my defense tons and tons and tons. Kasady is probably the best part of your defense right where he is, I wouldn't mess with the one thing that is working.If I were you, I would trade for a stronger LB, possibly with Rcov and pursuit and some agility, but largely it's an issue that you will likely have to fix through the draft because two of them need to straight up be replaced and the trade deadline is coming up so I'd do it soon.
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geosfreddy
Without revealing the play books leb I would look at look at the depth of my settings sometimes we complicate things with too many fancy scenarios. And may be time to go simpler D. Like more balanced Run cover over let's say the obvious middle run cover on 2nd an 0,1-2.1 yards. this may cost in downs here and there but prevents those killer runs.
The above is something to consider.
Below is what pertains to your stamina and subbing --- as robot said sub in out --- I'll go to this --- Your stamina (sim LOL) is basically a C in most cases--take a look at the past game logs and see how fast they need gator ade cause player tire on long drives. This can be an issue-take a peak I am just too lazy to do it got the midnight shift tonight and GF over in th morning Yayyyy.
As for MTL -- he is very unpredictable in play calling game in game out. And His right side is nasty in opening lanes and the whole line have great stamina. Strong FB RG RT and Run friendly TE. going 100% rc would stop his run but there the pass nail ya. he got 3 long runs 33 on the right and 2x nailed the blitz for an 18 td and a 13 from what I saw.
personally I would simplify the playbook to a notch but 1 step at a time.
October 30, 2015 at 11:53PM View BBCode
There are a few things I've experimented with in a free league. I draFted an offence with all red and blue exe except for 1 sub. And the O seemed to play well without any tinkering. Which made me wonder. On an individual basis we don'r put too much on exe--- but multiple players will take ot's toll. I see you average C at best on DL/LB. Then you play the DE as a DT another hit.Without revealing the play books leb I would look at look at the depth of my settings sometimes we complicate things with too many fancy scenarios. And may be time to go simpler D. Like more balanced Run cover over let's say the obvious middle run cover on 2nd an 0,1-2.1 yards. this may cost in downs here and there but prevents those killer runs.
The above is something to consider.
Below is what pertains to your stamina and subbing --- as robot said sub in out --- I'll go to this --- Your stamina (sim LOL) is basically a C in most cases--take a look at the past game logs and see how fast they need gator ade cause player tire on long drives. This can be an issue-take a peak I am just too lazy to do it got the midnight shift tonight and GF over in th morning Yayyyy.
As for MTL -- he is very unpredictable in play calling game in game out. And His right side is nasty in opening lanes and the whole line have great stamina. Strong FB RG RT and Run friendly TE. going 100% rc would stop his run but there the pass nail ya. he got 3 long runs 33 on the right and 2x nailed the blitz for an 18 td and a 13 from what I saw.
personally I would simplify the playbook to a notch but 1 step at a time.
Lebanon_Oilers
October 31, 2015 at 03:08AM View BBCode
Thanks for the feedback all. I've been drafting/using similarly skilled players for a while and have had moderate success. Maybe I've been lucky or offenses are getting note sophisticated. It just seemed my run defense disappeared this year and was wondering what happened. Thanks again.
1950srobot
I did point out Moore would be a temporary SS, and he'll be fine at FS, if not better than fine. If the problem is stopping the Run, that's the job of the D-line and the LBs with the SS as a fourth LB. The idea is to put Kasady (who isn't and will never be great vs the Pass,) into the MLB slot to stop the Run (hopefully.) This frees up Moore to be in coverage where he's better; playing Moore at LB, he's obviously getting run over because he's just not strong enough and can't tackle well enough at the line, with nobody in the Secondary good enough to stop the Run either.
And saying Kasady is the best part of Winnipeg's Secondary? I don't know how you determine that at all.
I can assure you, Moore is a better S than all the others, and the Execution hit is negligible. And again: Winnipeg's season is going in the toilet, so why not take a chance? It's certainly not going to prevent WIN from getting the wins they aren't getting now.
I will agree though, a natural SS is integral to a good Defense. Others swear by the FS, but I just don't buy in. SS is the cog that makes the Defense work, and Moore is not a SS. He is, however, suited for Free Safety. Or, as you say, trade him for a natural S. But you can bet no one is trading a quality S for a LB who is not particularly strong nor a great tackler, so why not try and get something out of Moore right now?
October 31, 2015 at 08:15PM View BBCode
Originally posted by luminafire
If I were you I would NOT play the SS out of position, you have low executing players and they're just going to give up even bigger plays. Moore is a horrible SS.
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I did point out Moore would be a temporary SS, and he'll be fine at FS, if not better than fine. If the problem is stopping the Run, that's the job of the D-line and the LBs with the SS as a fourth LB. The idea is to put Kasady (who isn't and will never be great vs the Pass,) into the MLB slot to stop the Run (hopefully.) This frees up Moore to be in coverage where he's better; playing Moore at LB, he's obviously getting run over because he's just not strong enough and can't tackle well enough at the line, with nobody in the Secondary good enough to stop the Run either.
And saying Kasady is the best part of Winnipeg's Secondary? I don't know how you determine that at all.
I can assure you, Moore is a better S than all the others, and the Execution hit is negligible. And again: Winnipeg's season is going in the toilet, so why not take a chance? It's certainly not going to prevent WIN from getting the wins they aren't getting now.
I will agree though, a natural SS is integral to a good Defense. Others swear by the FS, but I just don't buy in. SS is the cog that makes the Defense work, and Moore is not a SS. He is, however, suited for Free Safety. Or, as you say, trade him for a natural S. But you can bet no one is trading a quality S for a LB who is not particularly strong nor a great tackler, so why not try and get something out of Moore right now?
luminafire
I don't know how high/low the B+'s are on these other players, but Kasady, at least, I can vouch for being extremely close to A- speed.
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October 31, 2015 at 10:57PM View BBCode
I assure you, as the former coach of Drake Kasady for five seasons, he needs to stay where he is. None of that is going to help you although if your season feels done, feel free to experiment. Playing out of position guys at SS doesn't work. This was my entire October, trust me. I have seventeen games to back me up and the guy I was playing at SS could actually cover the run. Besides the execution penalty, Moore at best could be a FS which you already have-- what you DON'T have is another SS. Kasady's agility is B+, but it was A- when I traded him and he's only taken a decline of 6 ICs since that time, he's one of it not the most complete players on the team at his position and he has no strength so I do not understand why you would play him at linebacker, you already have several no strength LBsI don't know how high/low the B+'s are on these other players, but Kasady, at least, I can vouch for being extremely close to A- speed.
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Prideco
November 01, 2015 at 02:48AM View BBCode
I wish I had y'all troubles. Instead its just the opposite. I have a OLine that is double red from tackle to tackle. There is no one on the OLine that is below a B+ overall player. Each starting player has Red strength with the lowest Ex being C+, yet I am close to the bottom in the league in rushing yards and avg. Do I think its my 24 y/o HB who is a B+ player with B+ Ex, A speed and A- Break tackle? No. Is it because of my settings which I had set to run 40% of the time? No because I double checked and double checked after the AFE has me passing 2 out of every 3 plays.
luminafire
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November 01, 2015 at 03:00AM View BBCode
The first thing that I would have to take a stab at it being is the fact your right tackle has B- strength. And he's a mediocore executor. Full back is okay, running back in okay, but no superstars to run behind. I'd start Dirden at right tackle and Sabucco at left tackle. That B- strength score is almost certain death sentence for Bill Patanelli who has D+ potential and D- attitude and a pattern of low IC development throughout college... he's not only a draft bust but if he weren't so young I'd almost consider waiving him. At best he's going to be what? B? B+ strength?[Edited on 11-1-2015 by luminafire]
luminafire
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November 01, 2015 at 11:15PM View BBCode
Yikes. You were right, the run D in Winnepeg really leaves a lot to be desired this season. I still blame the ILB.[Edited on 11-1-2015 by luminafire]
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