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1950srobot
I mean what the fluck is that about? What else can you do but get a RB with A+ Carry, which means essentially they should NEVER fumble?
Why the Krist the Fumbles?
September 17, 2015 at 05:28PM View BBCode
I don't get it. My star RB has A+ Carry, but he's fumbled 8 times, today's latest on the goalline to put away a team.I mean what the fluck is that about? What else can you do but get a RB with A+ Carry, which means essentially they should NEVER fumble?
Cueball899
So a QB with A+ accuracy should never throw wide or short or even throw a int, thats what your saying.
September 17, 2015 at 06:04PM View BBCode
B- hands I'm sure plays a role, C+ execution may also, IDK, but every RB fumbles.So a QB with A+ accuracy should never throw wide or short or even throw a int, thats what your saying.
Lebanon_Oilers
Those three fumbles translated in 17 points in a 30-17 loss by my team. But then again, I couldn't beat Montreal if it were a pinata.
September 17, 2015 at 08:35PM View BBCode
My QB fumbled 3 times today inside the 10 yard line - including a fumble in the end zone that the defense recovered for a TD.Those three fumbles translated in 17 points in a 30-17 loss by my team. But then again, I couldn't beat Montreal if it were a pinata.
1950srobot
The QB has to throw, in time, to four different receivers running different routes, with defensive pressure bearing down, weather issues, and the co-dependent aspect of the Receivers having enough talent to beat Man or Zone Coverage. Thus the QB's pass ratings of Power and Accuracy are affected by a myriad of factors. Any and all of these things cause under-thrown passes, INTs, ect.
The Running Back, on the other hand, gets the ball PLACED into his hands (most of the time,) requiring he hold the ball while he runs forward as far as he can. But the most important job of the RB is to HOLD ONTO THE BALL, generally whilst running.
And so the RB's Carry rating is, indeed, the most important deterrent to his turning over the ball to the other team. That's why it's called CARRY. It's his primary rating, upon which he is defined as a RUNNING BACK.
You'll note that's the determining factor when trying to use other types of players as a Running Back; Carry is that factor.
September 17, 2015 at 09:04PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Cueball899
B- hands I'm sure plays a role, C+ execution may also, IDK, but every RB fumbles.
So a QB with A+ accuracy should never throw wide or short or even throw a int, thats what your saying.
The QB has to throw, in time, to four different receivers running different routes, with defensive pressure bearing down, weather issues, and the co-dependent aspect of the Receivers having enough talent to beat Man or Zone Coverage. Thus the QB's pass ratings of Power and Accuracy are affected by a myriad of factors. Any and all of these things cause under-thrown passes, INTs, ect.
The Running Back, on the other hand, gets the ball PLACED into his hands (most of the time,) requiring he hold the ball while he runs forward as far as he can. But the most important job of the RB is to HOLD ONTO THE BALL, generally whilst running.
And so the RB's Carry rating is, indeed, the most important deterrent to his turning over the ball to the other team. That's why it's called CARRY. It's his primary rating, upon which he is defined as a RUNNING BACK.
You'll note that's the determining factor when trying to use other types of players as a Running Back; Carry is that factor.
luminafire
Hey, Michael Vick can carry the HELL out of a football, but he has no ball control to save his life. As an Eagles fan, I recall seeing this man fumble on carries in the redzone, INTO the freaking endzone, ect. He also has a great arm, but if he was a simdynasty player he'd probably have like a C Hands, a C execution or A+ aggression that'd ruin him in spite of an A+ carry A+ speed and A+ agility, probably an A+ throw power and an A- accuracy in his prime. There's a reason Michael Vick never won a superbowl even though his straight up abilities are genius
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September 17, 2015 at 09:19PM View BBCode
I don't think there's data behind it but the best YAC WRs and RBs always seem to have at least B or higher hands. It has to play some kind of a role. I used to underestimate other tertiary scores like attitude and aggression too, and it always has led to my downfall. Everything else can be in place but things like hands for players who touch the ball at all, attitude for QBs and running backs especially, execution for kickers, agility for linemen... the stats you never immediately think about always end up collectively becoming that 'x' factor in a game, I firmly believe or else it would all just be math.Hey, Michael Vick can carry the HELL out of a football, but he has no ball control to save his life. As an Eagles fan, I recall seeing this man fumble on carries in the redzone, INTO the freaking endzone, ect. He also has a great arm, but if he was a simdynasty player he'd probably have like a C Hands, a C execution or A+ aggression that'd ruin him in spite of an A+ carry A+ speed and A+ agility, probably an A+ throw power and an A- accuracy in his prime. There's a reason Michael Vick never won a superbowl even though his straight up abilities are genius
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Cueball899
Bottom line: A+ CARRY dosen't mean he won't fumble.
September 18, 2015 at 12:37AM View formatted
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Your also not looking at your opponents defensive players and the factors they play in your running back holding the ball.
Bottom line: A+ CARRY dosen't mean he won't fumble.
geosfreddy
Hands - In general terms, Hands indicates how fumble-prone a player is
AGGR - an aggressive defender makes harder hits
TKL - Tackling represents how well and how hard the player can apply the hit
If you look at who made the hit you may find something interesting there.
I remember reading somewhere in recovering the ball the guy nearest to it with better hands will have a much better chance than the guy with lesser hands. I'll check up to find it once my double shifting is done at work. My season shows it big time lol....
Love the NJ Vs Edm game coming up.
Got to run for now....
September 18, 2015 at 02:40AM View BBCode
Ok --- still running on not empty but "fumes" --- i have a few minutes to throw in 2 cents worth on fumbles and recoveries--- first off on the fumble it self you need to look at the other team as well the carry aspect is big but - how aggressive and hard hitting is the other team? Add the misc and luck of the sim to this and you get the drift.Hands - In general terms, Hands indicates how fumble-prone a player is
AGGR - an aggressive defender makes harder hits
TKL - Tackling represents how well and how hard the player can apply the hit
If you look at who made the hit you may find something interesting there.
I remember reading somewhere in recovering the ball the guy nearest to it with better hands will have a much better chance than the guy with lesser hands. I'll check up to find it once my double shifting is done at work. My season shows it big time lol....
Love the NJ Vs Edm game coming up.
Got to run for now....
Aparicio
No mathematical calculation boils down to 1 attribute.
-AP
:cool:
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Back to Math Class for You!
September 18, 2015 at 09:29PM View BBCode
MISTER ROBOT, You are about to lose your "Mechanical Man" global credentials for trying to simplify a complicated logarythmic (I can't spell it?) formula, eH?No mathematical calculation boils down to 1 attribute.
-AP
:cool:
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1950srobot
Adrian Peterson has often been labeled a fumbler, especially early in his career, with 9 fumbles in 2008 on 363 carries--one of only three times the man played 16 games in a season.
Four years later, on 348 carries, he had three fumbles. http://www.nfl.com/player/adrianpeterson/2507164/careerstats
I mean, in Sim terms, Peterson would be a, what, an A- Carry?
Right now, The Duke is sitting on 307 carries, eight fumbles.
The interesting thing is Peterson started out with a three seasons of high fumbling, just like Weathers so far. So the arc toward less fumbles might play out yet.
I guess there are a bunch of ferocious hitters in the FHFL!
September 18, 2015 at 09:49PM View BBCode
Eight fumbles seems high for a RB no matter what the math says.Adrian Peterson has often been labeled a fumbler, especially early in his career, with 9 fumbles in 2008 on 363 carries--one of only three times the man played 16 games in a season.
Four years later, on 348 carries, he had three fumbles. http://www.nfl.com/player/adrianpeterson/2507164/careerstats
I mean, in Sim terms, Peterson would be a, what, an A- Carry?
Right now, The Duke is sitting on 307 carries, eight fumbles.
The interesting thing is Peterson started out with a three seasons of high fumbling, just like Weathers so far. So the arc toward less fumbles might play out yet.
I guess there are a bunch of ferocious hitters in the FHFL!
1950srobot
Hands In general terms, Hands indicates how fumble-prone a player is. In addition, this is the primary skill of a center (along with blocking) and for the holder during a place kick.
--from the Game Guide.
I have no idea what this means. So Carrying measures how a RB protects the ball, but Hands tells you how fumble-prone he is.
Weathers has A+ Carry and B- Hands. So the A+ just tells me he's a stud at running, but not at protecting, as he is prone to fumbling. If he was better at protecting the ball, his Hands would be rated higher, but his Carry remains the same.
WAT?
September 18, 2015 at 09:58PM View BBCode
Carrying The primary skill (other than speed) for a running back, simply measures how good a player is at running with the ball and protecting it.Hands In general terms, Hands indicates how fumble-prone a player is. In addition, this is the primary skill of a center (along with blocking) and for the holder during a place kick.
--from the Game Guide.
I have no idea what this means. So Carrying measures how a RB protects the ball, but Hands tells you how fumble-prone he is.
Weathers has A+ Carry and B- Hands. So the A+ just tells me he's a stud at running, but not at protecting, as he is prone to fumbling. If he was better at protecting the ball, his Hands would be rated higher, but his Carry remains the same.
WAT?
luminafire
September 18, 2015 at 11:13PM View BBCode
Like I said, it's not math. I think skills like hands, attitude and aggression create an additional x factor that plays into things without necessarily determining them completely.Pages: 1