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tworoosters
Stupid Pittsburgh [size=1]stupid me[/size]
Screwed by my own creation
July 01, 2015 at 06:16PM View BBCode
So the last couple of seasons I spent some time putting Pittsburgh's roster back in order, and this year they come back and bite my ass by beating out LA for the wild card spot in the NL by one game.Stupid Pittsburgh [size=1]stupid me[/size]
thatrogue
July 07, 2015 at 12:49PM View BBCode
It looks like you turned the tables in the [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9826492]Hannifin[/url] deal. I don't think a "real" owner would have given you [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=9825881]Rudolph[/url] for it...
tworoosters
Pittsburgh had zero quality catching so they give up an OS37 OFer for an OS36 catcher whose numbers last year were virtually identical. Salaries are moot as neither team was going to be over the cap and LA had a surplus of catchers while Pittsburgh needed one.
Your post couldn't related to the fact that you bid on Rudolph could it ?
July 07, 2015 at 03:44PM View BBCode
Really ?Pittsburgh had zero quality catching so they give up an OS37 OFer for an OS36 catcher whose numbers last year were virtually identical. Salaries are moot as neither team was going to be over the cap and LA had a surplus of catchers while Pittsburgh needed one.
Your post couldn't related to the fact that you bid on Rudolph could it ?
thatrogue
(I can't believe you used last years stats, from a player now into the second year of declines, as the basis for a trade...as opposed to current ratings. I also can't believe you'd equate a player with A health that played in 157 games as having nearly identical numbers to a player that played in 65 games.)
[Edited on 7-8-2015 by thatrogue]
July 08, 2015 at 10:25AM View BBCode
No...and you should know me better than that. It was based on dealing a turd (B/B+ vs RHP and B+ SPD) for a thing that is useful (B/A+ vs RHP with A- SPD). I still assert that a rational owner would not make that deal...(I can't believe you used last years stats, from a player now into the second year of declines, as the basis for a trade...as opposed to current ratings. I also can't believe you'd equate a player with A health that played in 157 games as having nearly identical numbers to a player that played in 65 games.)
[Edited on 7-8-2015 by thatrogue]
thatrogue
(Actually...it doesn't matter. Nevermind...)
July 08, 2015 at 10:55AM View BBCode
And why did San Francisco just give players to Boston?(Actually...it doesn't matter. Nevermind...)
tworoosters
July 08, 2015 at 04:08PM View BBCode
Hey rogue apparently the 24 team beta is looking for new owners who care about winning and shit like that, even though they aren't actually testing anything either, maybe you should join them .
thatrogue
July 08, 2015 at 05:41PM View BBCode
It just feels odd when people make trades between two teams they own, that other owners would not make.
kyleturf30
If you guys 'really' care I'll stop. I assumed nobody 'really' cared.. Plus if I didn't have BOSTON and SF one of them would assuredly be terrible like all the unmanned teams.
Maybe all the guys that really do pay attention should have 2 teams each. Allow the passing of players among them.. or... just fold down these league..
[Edited on 7-9-2015 by kyleturf30]
July 09, 2015 at 07:32PM View BBCode
I been passing players back and forth forever. My goal has always been to have them both 'viable.' So extra guys go to the other team or visa versa...If you guys 'really' care I'll stop. I assumed nobody 'really' cared.. Plus if I didn't have BOSTON and SF one of them would assuredly be terrible like all the unmanned teams.
Maybe all the guys that really do pay attention should have 2 teams each. Allow the passing of players among them.. or... just fold down these league..
[Edited on 7-9-2015 by kyleturf30]
thatrogue
July 09, 2015 at 08:47PM View BBCode
Nah...I'm okay. Just an initial reaction to trades that looked strange.
tworoosters
Yes Rudolph's offensive numbers are better but he's also an OFer who is much easier to find a replacement for so all in all I don't think there's cause for any more umbrage plus to quote tm "LOL .........beta" :D:D:D
July 16, 2015 at 12:44AM View BBCode
So with a month to go the Hanifan/Rudolph trade isn't looking that one sided anymore now is it ??Yes Rudolph's offensive numbers are better but he's also an OFer who is much easier to find a replacement for so all in all I don't think there's cause for any more umbrage plus to quote tm "LOL .........beta" :D:D:D
tworoosters
Rudolph is now retired after posting a .293/.349/.573 slash line in '66 and then doing virtually nothing in '67 while Hannifan, the "tur[i][/i]d" in the deal, posted a .338/.401/.503 slash in '66, 60 less at bats but at a premium position and then returned to post a .270/.329/.425 slash in 318 at bats the following year, again at a premium position.
Yeah, Pittsburgh got totally hosed in that deal.
August 14, 2015 at 04:50AM View formatted
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So it's over two years since the infamous, in thatrogue's mind, [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=9826492]Hannifan[/url]/[url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=9825881]Rudolph[/url] trade. It's a deal that it was claimed no "real" owner would have made, which leads me to wonder if "real" owners know what they are doing.
Rudolph is now retired after posting a .293/.349/.573 slash line in '66 and then doing virtually nothing in '67 while Hannifan, the "tur[i][/i]d" in the deal, posted a .338/.401/.503 slash in '66, 60 less at bats but at a premium position and then returned to post a .270/.329/.425 slash in 318 at bats the following year, again at a premium position.
Yeah, Pittsburgh got totally hosed in that deal.
thatrogue
I let it ago some time ago, so why are you still justifying it? The deal would made no sense in a normal, competitive league, but, in this league, it does not matter.
August 17, 2015 at 04:07AM View BBCode
Based on the ratings it was a horrible trade. The numbers are skewed because of the lack of quality pitching in the league.I let it ago some time ago, so why are you still justifying it? The deal would made no sense in a normal, competitive league, but, in this league, it does not matter.
tworoosters
The fact that Hanifan actually out produced Rudolph over the next two years is an outlier but he didn't have to out produce Rudolph, all he had to do was provide the same relative value at catcher that Rudolph did in the OF, which he was always going to do based on relative strength of position.
[Edited on 8-18-2015 by tworoosters]
August 18, 2015 at 03:35AM View BBCode
I stay with it because it represents a fundamental flaw in the majority of sim owners trading patterns. You stick with the "based on the ratings" mantra, as many owners do, without seeming to take into account the fact that top end OFers are plentiful while better than average catchers are rare. Hanifan's replacement value, even though his ratings are lower, was equal or higher than Rudolph yet you, and many sim owners, would reject that sort of deal out of hand based on trying to compare apples to oranges.The fact that Hanifan actually out produced Rudolph over the next two years is an outlier but he didn't have to out produce Rudolph, all he had to do was provide the same relative value at catcher that Rudolph did in the OF, which he was always going to do based on relative strength of position.
[Edited on 8-18-2015 by tworoosters]
thatrogue
August 19, 2015 at 01:24PM View BBCode
All of the ratings are important, so I believe health/games played must also be considered. Rudolph had been averaging 35 - 40 more games played than Hannifan, at the time of the trade. So you have to look at the lineup impact of the difference in 2nd catcher production to Hannifan's production...as compared to a lesser OF's production vs a lesser catcher's production for those 35-40 games...and that is a significant issue. I don't know why Hannifan's games played dropped so significantly in 2066, but that could not be predicted at the time of the trade.Pages: 1