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Frunobulax
I read somewhere about stadium construction - can't find it right now, but in essence some claimed that speed is relevant for defense, others claimed it isn't. I do value speed a lot, and have some success in some leagues (and no success in other leagues). However, the speedy team with success is successful because it scores a lot of runs in a small stadium...
If you had a speedy team with good pitchers (but not a lot of power), would you go for a huge stadium, to maximize the effects of the speed (higher batting average, ability to steal bases)? And would you choose turf or grass?
But I have another, more interesting question. How would you go about verifying the claim that speed doesn't matter in defense? I looked at the +/- rating of some players, and the infielders (2B/SS/3B) with the highest +/- ratio usually have A+ or A speed, so it looks as if speed could actually matter.
What kind of stat would you look at? FPct wouldn't take into account the plays a slow player didn't make by being too slow. +/- is a candidate, but it's not clear how it is calculated and whether it takes speed into account or not. Perhaps RF, since a fast player should make more plays overall and have a higher range factor?
Regards, F.
[Edited on 3-3-2015 by Frunobulax]
Impact of speed on defense, and stadium construction
March 03, 2015 at 12:46AM View BBCode
Hi,I read somewhere about stadium construction - can't find it right now, but in essence some claimed that speed is relevant for defense, others claimed it isn't. I do value speed a lot, and have some success in some leagues (and no success in other leagues). However, the speedy team with success is successful because it scores a lot of runs in a small stadium...
If you had a speedy team with good pitchers (but not a lot of power), would you go for a huge stadium, to maximize the effects of the speed (higher batting average, ability to steal bases)? And would you choose turf or grass?
But I have another, more interesting question. How would you go about verifying the claim that speed doesn't matter in defense? I looked at the +/- rating of some players, and the infielders (2B/SS/3B) with the highest +/- ratio usually have A+ or A speed, so it looks as if speed could actually matter.
What kind of stat would you look at? FPct wouldn't take into account the plays a slow player didn't make by being too slow. +/- is a candidate, but it's not clear how it is calculated and whether it takes speed into account or not. Perhaps RF, since a fast player should make more plays overall and have a higher range factor?
Regards, F.
[Edited on 3-3-2015 by Frunobulax]
WillyD
More players have A speed that than any grade except A-. Most good players that are fully developed have red letter speed. Also, most players with good range and arm get converted to middle infield.
March 03, 2015 at 01:13AM View BBCode
Speed does not affect defense at all. This is a well known fact. Bonnie_Bare is somewhat new and assumed that it did. It doesn't.More players have A speed that than any grade except A-. Most good players that are fully developed have red letter speed. Also, most players with good range and arm get converted to middle infield.
paulcaraccio
March 03, 2015 at 01:20AM View BBCode
+/- is a simple calc. If you see something in the box score that says "Great play by the whoever", that's a +. If you see something in the box score that says "double past a dude" or "single in front of a guy", that's a -.
Hamilton2
March 03, 2015 at 02:33AM View BBCode
The simple fact from the site Admins on multiple occasions is that speed is simply NOT A FACTOR used when making defensive calculations for the sim. Period.
bostonhitz
March 03, 2015 at 09:04PM View BBCode
I have also looks into this, while the OP is asking about speed in defense which has clearly been resolved, I've been tinkering in trial leagues with high speed and contact guys in a big stadium, now will this give an advantage? Think about it, most people have big power guys if they can't hit the long ball they won't be as effective. However, the team filled with .400 Obp hitters and 50 steals will actually benefit. This way you can use a Moneyball strategy and have cheap hitters and go out and get great pitching. Thoughts?
Frunobulax
Basically I wonder what stadium dimensions would be best for a very good group of control pitchers, if your batting lineup is adequate, but not outstanding.
Regards, F.
[Edited on 3-4-2015 by Frunobulax]
March 04, 2015 at 01:13AM View formatted
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The team I'm thinking about has been historically bad for some years. I took over when no good player was under 30, so I sold whatever I could sell for picks and have hit the bottom for a few years. Since I had a numbe rof consecutive #1 overall picks I assembled a pretty impressive pitching staff (all still in the minors though) - if [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/depth.jsp?teamid=124615]that rotation[/url] can't earn a few championships, then what does it take? :-)
Basically I wonder what stadium dimensions would be best for a very good group of control pitchers, if your batting lineup is adequate, but not outstanding.
Regards, F.
[Edited on 3-4-2015 by Frunobulax]
WillyD
Move the fences back. If you have mostly RHP, then move RF back. Mostly LHP, then move LF back.
I would try and trade some pitching for a prospect (if there is one in your league) that can hit and play GG caliber middle infield defense.
March 04, 2015 at 02:13AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Frunobulax
The team I'm thinking about has been historically bad for some years. I took over when no good player was under 30, so I sold whatever I could sell for picks and have hit the bottom for a few years. Since I had a number of consecutive #1 overall picks I assembled a pretty impressive pitching staff (all still in the minors though) - if [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/depth.jsp?teamid=124615]that rotation[/url] can't earn a few championships, then what does it take? :-)
Basically I wonder what stadium dimensions would be best for a very good group of control pitchers, if your batting lineup is adequate, but not outstanding.
Regards, F.
Move the fences back. If you have mostly RHP, then move RF back. Mostly LHP, then move LF back.
I would try and trade some pitching for a prospect (if there is one in your league) that can hit and play GG caliber middle infield defense.
Frunobulax
Yeah, I already thought about trading one of them for IF and/or catcher. Gerhard will be an excellent defensive SS who's not a liability with the bat, but one more infielder would be nice.
Plenty of time for that trade though, as some players can't project pitchers very well and it helps their value if they are major league ready.
March 04, 2015 at 11:53PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
I would try and trade some pitching for a prospect (if there is one in your league) that can hit and play GG caliber middle infield defense.
Yeah, I already thought about trading one of them for IF and/or catcher. Gerhard will be an excellent defensive SS who's not a liability with the bat, but one more infielder would be nice.
Plenty of time for that trade though, as some players can't project pitchers very well and it helps their value if they are major league ready.
Bonnie_Brae
If so, then speed factors into defense:)
March 05, 2015 at 11:57PM View BBCode
Does speed factor into how quickly a player converts positions, in addition to range?If so, then speed factors into defense:)
WillyD
No it doesn't. Why do you spread this type of misinformation Ezra?
March 06, 2015 at 12:39AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Bonnie_Brae
Does speed factor into how quickly a player converts positions, in addition to range?
If so, then speed factors into defense:)
No it doesn't. Why do you spread this type of misinformation Ezra?
Bonnie_Brae
March 06, 2015 at 01:03AM View BBCode
I asked! I'm not trying to spread misinformation. I actually thought speed factored in defense, because it's logical.
WillyD
It should, but it doesn't.
Just be careful how you word things going forward. The whole reason this thread exists is because he read your ill advised comments in the thread pecker247 created and deleted.
March 06, 2015 at 01:09AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Bonnie_Brae
I asked! I'm not trying to spread misinformation. I actually thought speed factored in defense, because it's logical.
It should, but it doesn't.
Just be careful how you word things going forward. The whole reason this thread exists is because he read your ill advised comments in the thread pecker247 created and deleted.
Bonnie_Brae
Yessum master willy.
(Though if question marks don't indicate questions, maybe i need to relearn English.)
[Edited on 3-6-2015 by Bonnie_Brae]
March 06, 2015 at 01:28AM View BBCode
Good grief.Yessum master willy.
(Though if question marks don't indicate questions, maybe i need to relearn English.)
[Edited on 3-6-2015 by Bonnie_Brae]
paulcaraccio
March 06, 2015 at 01:28AM View BBCode
get over yourself sheriff willy...as a proven fabricator, you probably shouldn't be accusing people of spreading misinformation.
WillyD
WTF are you talking about dipbleep?
March 06, 2015 at 09:43PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
get over yourself sheriff willy...as a proven fabricator, you probably shouldn't be accusing people of spreading misinformation.
WTF are you talking about dipbleep?
WillyD
Please!!!!!!!!!!!! If not for the fact you already stated that speed affects defense in that deleted thread, I might actually believe that. :rolleyes:
March 06, 2015 at 09:49PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Bonnie_Brae
Good grief.
Yessum master willy.
(Though if question marks don't indicate questions, maybe i need to relearn English.)
[Edited on 3-6-2015 by Bonnie_Brae]
Please!!!!!!!!!!!! If not for the fact you already stated that speed affects defense in that deleted thread, I might actually believe that. :rolleyes:
WillyD
Yes Ezra, this was indeed you that he is referring to.
March 06, 2015 at 09:51PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Bonnie_Brae
I asked! I'm not trying to spread misinformation. I actually thought speed factored in defense, because it's logical.
Originally posted by Frunobulax
Hi,
I read somewhere about stadium construction - can't find it right now, but in essence some claimed that speed is relevant for defense, others claimed it isn't.
Yes Ezra, this was indeed you that he is referring to.
paulcaraccio
ya know...when you said you know of more than a few speed leagues where a couple of notably successful Dynasty league owners wouldn't be as good as at least half the owners in the league, and then when asked to name those leagues, you couldn't come up with a single one, because they don't exist, you'd made the whole thing up...that.
it aint that serious though...all in fun man.
March 06, 2015 at 10:22PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
get over yourself sheriff willy...as a proven fabricator, you probably shouldn't be accusing people of spreading misinformation.
WTF are you talking about dipbleep?
ya know...when you said you know of more than a few speed leagues where a couple of notably successful Dynasty league owners wouldn't be as good as at least half the owners in the league, and then when asked to name those leagues, you couldn't come up with a single one, because they don't exist, you'd made the whole thing up...that.
it aint that serious though...all in fun man.
dirtdevil
let's not start that again. I'm not about to get into any kind of debate about the skills of individual owners. but the only metric that anyone (I think it was you, actually) came up with in that discussion, despite being terribly flawed, actually supported the idea that dynasty was easier. so if you like you can both be wrong. :P
March 06, 2015 at 10:27PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
Originally posted by WillyD
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
get over yourself sheriff willy...as a proven fabricator, you probably shouldn't be accusing people of spreading misinformation.
WTF are you talking about dipbleep?
ya know...when you said you know of more than a few speed leagues where a couple of notably successful Dynasty league owners wouldn't be as good as at least half the owners in the league, and then when asked to name those leagues, you couldn't come up with a single one, because they don't exist, you'd made the whole thing up...that.
let's not start that again. I'm not about to get into any kind of debate about the skills of individual owners. but the only metric that anyone (I think it was you, actually) came up with in that discussion, despite being terribly flawed, actually supported the idea that dynasty was easier. so if you like you can both be wrong. :P
WillyD
Don't remember that at all. But I play in 2 or 3 leagues that would likely qualify. You may or may not make the top half. But we'll never know will we?
March 06, 2015 at 11:51PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
Originally posted by WillyD
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
get over yourself sheriff willy...as a proven fabricator, you probably shouldn't be accusing people of spreading misinformation.
WTF are you talking about dipbleep?
ya know...when you said you know of more than a few speed leagues where a couple of notably successful Dynasty league owners wouldn't be as good as at least half the owners in the league, and then when asked to name those leagues, you couldn't come up with a single one, because they don't exist, you'd made the whole thing up...that.
it aint that serious though...all in fun man.
Don't remember that at all. But I play in 2 or 3 leagues that would likely qualify. You may or may not make the top half. But we'll never know will we?
paulcaraccio
March 07, 2015 at 01:57AM View BBCode
if you want to shed the fibber label, there is a way. what youre doing...aint it
WillyD
Really? I've never lied or spread misinformation once on this site. Just because you may have a different opinion than mine, doesn't give you a right to call me a liar.
[Edited on 3-7-2015 by WillyD]
March 07, 2015 at 03:43AM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
if you want to shed the fibber label, there is a way. what you're doing...aint it
Really? I've never lied or spread misinformation once on this site. Just because you may have a different opinion than mine, doesn't give you a right to call me a liar.
[Edited on 3-7-2015 by WillyD]
Hamilton2
March 07, 2015 at 04:07AM View BBCode
I think we are done here and have answered the original post adequately.
paulcaraccio
alternatively, you could admit you were way off/made a mistake. (respectable).
or you could just behave yourself from now on...i wont bring it up if you dont ask for it.
March 07, 2015 at 05:14PM View BBCode
is it really too much to ask that you at least make an attempt to prove what you say is true? (not recommended)alternatively, you could admit you were way off/made a mistake. (respectable).
or you could just behave yourself from now on...i wont bring it up if you dont ask for it.
WillyD
You're such a joke.
March 07, 2015 at 05:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
is it really too much to ask that you at least make an attempt to prove what you say is true? (not recommended)
alternatively, you could admit you were way off/made a mistake. (respectable).
or you could just behave yourself from now on...i won't bring it up if you dont ask for it.
You're such a joke.