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ccox
He plays in Dynasty and has for many, many seasons. And he's awful. Just abysmal. His owner card looks like a bot's. The weird part is that he looks like he's really trying because he changes his lineup before every single game. Every one. There seems to be no rhyme or reason either. One game his A-/A+ hitter is batting 1st vs RHP, the next he's 7th vs RHP...while the B/B+ guy stays fixed in the 3rd spot, until the A/B- hitter appears the better option.
At first I thought he was deliberately tanking but he gave away his first rounder at the beginning of the season.
It's pretty confusing.
Anyone else see weird behavior like this from an owner that leaves you scratching your head?
[Edited on 11-6-2014 by ccox]
Odd owners
November 05, 2014 at 10:37PM View BBCode
There's an owner on here (maybe in my league, maybe not) who confuses me. I should just ignore him but checking in on his activity is sort of fascinating in a WTF? sort of way...He plays in Dynasty and has for many, many seasons. And he's awful. Just abysmal. His owner card looks like a bot's. The weird part is that he looks like he's really trying because he changes his lineup before every single game. Every one. There seems to be no rhyme or reason either. One game his A-/A+ hitter is batting 1st vs RHP, the next he's 7th vs RHP...while the B/B+ guy stays fixed in the 3rd spot, until the A/B- hitter appears the better option.
At first I thought he was deliberately tanking but he gave away his first rounder at the beginning of the season.
It's pretty confusing.
Anyone else see weird behavior like this from an owner that leaves you scratching your head?
[Edited on 11-6-2014 by ccox]
Bonnie_Brae
In truth, I see it a lot. I was pretty stupid about the game until I actually read the rule book and the forums. It does make me want to quit a league sometimes though.
[Edited on 11-6-2014 by Bonnie_Brae]
November 06, 2014 at 03:06AM View BBCode
No. Perhaps you are the odd one?In truth, I see it a lot. I was pretty stupid about the game until I actually read the rule book and the forums. It does make me want to quit a league sometimes though.
[Edited on 11-6-2014 by Bonnie_Brae]
bostonhitz
November 06, 2014 at 07:27PM View BBCode
Yes, I think I have the owner in mind. It's odd because people are paying to play this game, so there is no reason to constantly lose. It's just the person, but it does bring down the flare of the league somewhat.
dirtdevil
I would say that I have had this experience fairly regularly in dynasty leagues and only rarely in private (now speed) ones, but since that would offend a group of people I guess I won't.
November 06, 2014 at 07:32PM View BBCode
different people play for different reasons. not everyone has winning as their primary goal, as odd as that sounds to those who do.I would say that I have had this experience fairly regularly in dynasty leagues and only rarely in private (now speed) ones, but since that would offend a group of people I guess I won't.
ccox
It is odd but I get it. Some try to hit so many home runs, get their guys on the all star team, maybe win an MVP, etc., and after that they don't care. I'm pretty sure the guy I'm talking about is trying to win but hasn't read the rules or doesn't get them or something. I've actually thought of sending him a link to them but don't want to get cussed out. Anyway, if his goal's to win it's not happening. His dime, though. In the end, I just want to be in a competitive league where people who spend their money actually know what they're doing, to some extent.
November 06, 2014 at 09:40PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
different people play for different reasons. not everyone has winning as their primary goal, as odd as that sounds to those who do.
It is odd but I get it. Some try to hit so many home runs, get their guys on the all star team, maybe win an MVP, etc., and after that they don't care. I'm pretty sure the guy I'm talking about is trying to win but hasn't read the rules or doesn't get them or something. I've actually thought of sending him a link to them but don't want to get cussed out. Anyway, if his goal's to win it's not happening. His dime, though. In the end, I just want to be in a competitive league where people who spend their money actually know what they're doing, to some extent.
Michael1
November 07, 2014 at 02:34AM View BBCode
I did the change before every game until someone sent me a trade offer for good player and said it was because I had benched the guy. He then explained that ABE did all that to just set it and forget it.
Bonnie_Brae
It isn't a real manager gig. It's a different game than baseball. The computer players don't have moods or respond to lineup changes, etc.
Performance should be ignored in favor of attributes. Don't bench a struggling "a-" player for the bench bum that went 9 for 18 (fluke). Past performance doesn't affect the probability of future success. Attributes do.
Defense affects ERA.
Speed affects hitter production.
Play the best players the most, especially pitchers.
Don't trade good players having "off" seasons for less than they are worth.
Don't trade your ace pitcher because he has a 4.00 era as the result of your craptastic defense.
Health has a correlation to the number of games a toon will play.
[Edited on 11-7-2014 by Bonnie_Brae]
November 07, 2014 at 07:23AM View BBCode
I find the people with consistently bad teams don't understand the following well.It isn't a real manager gig. It's a different game than baseball. The computer players don't have moods or respond to lineup changes, etc.
Performance should be ignored in favor of attributes. Don't bench a struggling "a-" player for the bench bum that went 9 for 18 (fluke). Past performance doesn't affect the probability of future success. Attributes do.
Defense affects ERA.
Speed affects hitter production.
Play the best players the most, especially pitchers.
Don't trade good players having "off" seasons for less than they are worth.
Don't trade your ace pitcher because he has a 4.00 era as the result of your craptastic defense.
Health has a correlation to the number of games a toon will play.
[Edited on 11-7-2014 by Bonnie_Brae]
ccox
I think this is exactly what determines his lineup from day to day. One guy goes on a mini streak and he sticks him in the 3rd spot until someone else does.
November 07, 2014 at 05:03PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Bonnie_Brae
...Performance should be ignored in favor of attributes. Don't bench a struggling "a-" player for the bench bum that went 9 for 18 (fluke)...
I think this is exactly what determines his lineup from day to day. One guy goes on a mini streak and he sticks him in the 3rd spot until someone else does.
dirtdevil
November 07, 2014 at 06:35PM View BBCode
you're still assuming he's trying to win though. he might just enjoy trying to manage his team as if they were real, even though it's bad 'game' strategy.
Vytron
Whenever I'm overdue and fail to make lineup changes pre-game I can just feel that maybe I could have won it if I was there. Whenever I bring some unknown from the minors and he hits two HRs on a game and I win because of that, it's more meaningful than if I just set it and forgot about it.
I've also have had B-/B players performing greatly 3 seasons in a row while B+/A- players underperform like that, it seems ABE just hates them, so why stick with them? Long term numbers don't mean anything when I lose 3 games in a row because the best guy didn't hit the ball in all the games. When I switch him with the worse one and see his great performance I can only feel like "yes! I won those games because I decided to put him there!"
I guess I'll win less World Series in the long run, but I guess this is a quality vs. quantity thing, because, who's winning those series? You or ABE? I'd rather win one like this than see how the team wins 3 by itself. At the end of the day, if you don't manage your team it's not yours, how can you say you won the series if all you did was setting it up and watch?
November 10, 2014 at 12:28AM View formatted
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Yes, managing the teams as if they were real is that makes it fun for me. I don't get the "set it and forget it" strategy, even if best, it's like rolling dice and having no effect on the outcomes.
Whenever I'm overdue and fail to make lineup changes pre-game I can just feel that maybe I could have won it if I was there. Whenever I bring some unknown from the minors and he hits two HRs on a game and I win because of that, it's more meaningful than if I just set it and forgot about it.
I've also have had B-/B players performing greatly 3 seasons in a row while B+/A- players underperform like that, it seems ABE just hates them, so why stick with them? Long term numbers don't mean anything when I lose 3 games in a row because the best guy didn't hit the ball in all the games. When I switch him with the worse one and see his great performance I can only feel like "yes! I won those games because I decided to put him there!"
I guess I'll win less World Series in the long run, but I guess this is a quality vs. quantity thing, because, who's winning those series? You or ABE? I'd rather win one like this than see how the team wins 3 by itself. At the end of the day, if you don't manage your team it's not yours, how can you say you won the series if all you did was setting it up and watch?
eragon
Not commenting on this particular strategy, but you say you won the WS because A) You are the GM of the team. You draft, develop and trade players. & B) Manager Settings.
November 10, 2014 at 12:57AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Vytron
Yes, managing the teams as if they were real is that makes it fun for me. I don't get the "set it and forget it" strategy, even if best, it's like rolling dice and having no effect on the outcomes.
Whenever I'm overdue and fail to make lineup changes pre-game I can just feel that maybe I could have won it if I was there. Whenever I bring some unknown from the minors and he hits two HRs on a game and I win because of that, it's more meaningful than if I just set it and forgot about it.
I've also have had B-/B players performing greatly 3 seasons in a row while B+/A- players underperform like that, it seems ABE just hates them, so why stick with them? Long term numbers don't mean anything when I lose 3 games in a row because the best guy didn't hit the ball in all the games. When I switch him with the worse one and see his great performance I can only feel like "yes! I won those games because I decided to put him there!"
I guess I'll win less World Series in the long run, but I guess this is a quality vs. quantity thing, because, who's winning those series? You or ABE? I'd rather win one like this than see how the team wins 3 by itself. At the end of the day, if you don't manage your team it's not yours, how can you say you won the series if all you did was setting it up and watch?
Not commenting on this particular strategy, but you say you won the WS because A) You are the GM of the team. You draft, develop and trade players. & B) Manager Settings.
ccox
If you set it and forget it, ABE isn't winning it for you. That's all you. ABE simply calculates based on the team that you've put together. Watching everything unfold is enjoying the fruits of your labor.
Sticking a B/B pitcher in place of an A/A (I've seen this) just because the A/A has had a few off games is bad management. People who do this aren't outsmarting ABE or something. The grades are all that matter. There are no hidden player's-slider-ain't-working algorithms to explain why a player's struggling. The dice just didn't roll right but it will even out.
All that said, if you're having fun the way you play, keep doing it. That's what this game's supposed to be.
November 10, 2014 at 02:06AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Vytron
...who's winning those series? You or ABE? I'd rather win one like this than see how the team wins 3 by itself. At the end of the day, if you don't manage your team it's not yours, how can you say you won the series if all you did was setting it up and watch?
If you set it and forget it, ABE isn't winning it for you. That's all you. ABE simply calculates based on the team that you've put together. Watching everything unfold is enjoying the fruits of your labor.
Sticking a B/B pitcher in place of an A/A (I've seen this) just because the A/A has had a few off games is bad management. People who do this aren't outsmarting ABE or something. The grades are all that matter. There are no hidden player's-slider-ain't-working algorithms to explain why a player's struggling. The dice just didn't roll right but it will even out.
All that said, if you're having fun the way you play, keep doing it. That's what this game's supposed to be.
Mongrel
I haven't read to far into it or paid too much attention, I tend to take more notice of my fellow managers who I feel are "good" and write the rest off. Personally I figured whatever their reason for playing it must be different than mine and they're having fun.
Or hey could possibly just have a massive excess in finances and need to spend their money on something.
November 19, 2014 at 05:18PM View BBCode
I've noticed a couple owners (in speed leagues) who seem to not get it. I've noticed owner cards that show much more time in the game than myself with basically accidental success.I haven't read to far into it or paid too much attention, I tend to take more notice of my fellow managers who I feel are "good" and write the rest off. Personally I figured whatever their reason for playing it must be different than mine and they're having fun.
Or hey could possibly just have a massive excess in finances and need to spend their money on something.
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