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jbzomal75
XP Changes
December 30, 2012 at 03:40PM View BBCode
One missed and one blocked extra point already in the first half of a single game seems a little excessive.
dirtdevil
December 30, 2012 at 06:05PM View BBCode
it's certainly odd. i guess the question is, is this common at this point or a one-game fluke?
Admin
But in this case, you were dealing with a windy situation and using a punter instead of a regular kicker. An out-of-position player acting as kicker in a windy situation is going to miss more kicks than a real kicker; they'll be 89%-90% on extra points rather than the usual 98%-99%.
Chris
December 30, 2012 at 06:50PM View BBCode
Any one game is by definition a small sample size.But in this case, you were dealing with a windy situation and using a punter instead of a regular kicker. An out-of-position player acting as kicker in a windy situation is going to miss more kicks than a real kicker; they'll be 89%-90% on extra points rather than the usual 98%-99%.
Chris
jack80
December 30, 2012 at 07:17PM View BBCode
On the kick your guy straight up missed the holder had a bad hold, through in the factors Admin provided and it's no surprise. As for the block, it happens but it also seems by your previous posts your team is prone to being blocked on special teams.
Admin
Chris
December 31, 2012 at 04:08AM View formatted
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A couple of more games across all leagues and I'll have enough data to evaluate the changes and make sure they are within spec.
Chris
jbzomal75
Actually he's a better kicker than punter according to his skill ratings:
http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=1629840
January 04, 2013 at 10:40PM View BBCode
Another missed extra point in the game today.But in this case, you were dealing with a windy situation and using a punter instead of a regular kicker. An out-of-position player acting as kicker in a windy situation is going to miss more kicks than a real kicker; they'll be 89%-90% on extra points rather than the usual 98%-99%.
Actually he's a better kicker than punter according to his skill ratings:
http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=1629840
jack80
There are a few kickers available right now that would be much better than using your punter or letting you real kicker waste a roster spot. I'm sure if you pick him up and you will probably do much better. However posting how your Punter is not doing the job as a kicker and expecting something to change isn't very logical.
January 05, 2013 at 03:01AM View BBCode
Your guy missed a field goal in the preseason against my team and had blocked kick. The preseason was a great time to evaluate the changes along with the feedback provided by others then and identified the issues ahead. Plus you failed to provide adequate information to paint a complete picture, you had a punter attempt the extra point in very poor conditions with heavy rain and strong winds. Correct me if I'm wrong but it might be alright to use your punter as a kicker, especially in adverse conditions, if he had an execution score a substantially bit higher than 35.There are a few kickers available right now that would be much better than using your punter or letting you real kicker waste a roster spot. I'm sure if you pick him up and you will probably do much better. However posting how your Punter is not doing the job as a kicker and expecting something to change isn't very logical.
jbzomal75
January 05, 2013 at 04:02AM View BBCode
The player in question has a B in kicking and a B- in punting. To ignore that isn't logical.
jack80
Ignoring the information from the guy programming the game is illogical. By playing your punter in a game as a kicker with adverse playing conditions you have to accept the consequences when you had already been informed a punter will perform at a lower success rate in bad weather than a kicker. As I also pointed out your punters execution is 35 which isn't going to help you out at all.
January 05, 2013 at 04:08AM View BBCode
Originally posted by jbzomal75
The player in question has a B in kicking and a B- in punting. To ignore that isn't logical.
Ignoring the information from the guy programming the game is illogical. By playing your punter in a game as a kicker with adverse playing conditions you have to accept the consequences when you had already been informed a punter will perform at a lower success rate in bad weather than a kicker. As I also pointed out your punters execution is 35 which isn't going to help you out at all.
K:
- Allows for more consistent power and accuracy on long kicks
- Ability to compensate for wind
- Chance of flubbing the kick is based on the lower of Kick Accuracy and Execution
jbzomal75
That poses a question for the admin: why isn't the player in question's position listed a kicker if he has a higher kicker skill than punter skill?
January 05, 2013 at 05:15AM View BBCode
Ignoring the fact that he's B in kicking and B- in punting isn't logical. If he's higher in positional skill at kicking than punting then he is, in fact, a kicker, or at least should be if I understand the position system correctly.That poses a question for the admin: why isn't the player in question's position listed a kicker if he has a higher kicker skill than punter skill?
jack80
Overall Rating
A player's overall rating is a quick way to get a general sense of how good a player is, but should not be relied on too heavily to evaluate players.
You are right about his overall score both in punting and in kicking and you bring up a possible issue. However you neglected to address the issue I pointed out about his execution. You are not breaking down all of his abilities and the pros and cons the bring to the table. You assume he should perform a certain way based upon his overall score despite some red flags when you look at him closer. Instead of evaluating the player, his performance, and the conditions of the performance you post a general statement of my guy is X and therefore it is Y. It's not that simple. There are key facts posted above that you are not reading, dismissing, or ignoring because it doesn't meet your preconcieved idea of the issue. In face go ahead and keep your punter in the kicker position. I was trying to point out an issue that could easily be corrected by I have wasted my time. Besides maybe you keeping him in as your kicker will help me the next time our teams play each other.
January 05, 2013 at 05:44AM View BBCode
From the SD Football Rulebook:Overall Rating
A player's overall rating is a quick way to get a general sense of how good a player is, but should not be relied on too heavily to evaluate players.
You are right about his overall score both in punting and in kicking and you bring up a possible issue. However you neglected to address the issue I pointed out about his execution. You are not breaking down all of his abilities and the pros and cons the bring to the table. You assume he should perform a certain way based upon his overall score despite some red flags when you look at him closer. Instead of evaluating the player, his performance, and the conditions of the performance you post a general statement of my guy is X and therefore it is Y. It's not that simple. There are key facts posted above that you are not reading, dismissing, or ignoring because it doesn't meet your preconcieved idea of the issue. In face go ahead and keep your punter in the kicker position. I was trying to point out an issue that could easily be corrected by I have wasted my time. Besides maybe you keeping him in as your kicker will help me the next time our teams play each other.
jbzomal75
There are lots of teams in the league getting by with kickers comparable to mine who aren't missing XP at his pace. There are only two A execution kickers in the whole league, only one with A-, only two with B+, only one with B, and only one with B-. All the rest are below that, meaning mine is average in execution when compared to the rest of the league overall.
In the NFL a kicker is lucky if he misses one XP a year, mine has already missed two in the preseason and one in the regular season(which is only two games old). That's excessive.
January 05, 2013 at 06:25AM View BBCode
I actually am breaking down everything. You seem to be the one that wants to ignore pertinent facts.There are lots of teams in the league getting by with kickers comparable to mine who aren't missing XP at his pace. There are only two A execution kickers in the whole league, only one with A-, only two with B+, only one with B, and only one with B-. All the rest are below that, meaning mine is average in execution when compared to the rest of the league overall.
In the NFL a kicker is lucky if he misses one XP a year, mine has already missed two in the preseason and one in the regular season(which is only two games old). That's excessive.
dirtdevil
it is excessive. and i'd say it has one of two causes. one, there is a flaw in the game with extra points now after the changes. it may be that you have identified a flaw in the game code that others haven't noticed because they aren't paying as close attention. chris is looking into this and i'm sure will have some data soon. or, alternatively, two, you are using a punter out of position as a kicker. the fact that K is is best pos does not negate the heavy execution penalty for an out of (natural) position guy in bad weather. i think chris has said this. i don't know what your holder is like but if he has trouble adjusting to poor conditions he may be a factor as well. alos, regardless of the fact that your guy happens to be a single point better at K than P, the simple fact is that he's not a very good kicker.
to me this is just a perfect microcosm of why you sometimes have arguments about stuff like this on the boards. you are, pretty much every time something comes up, unwilling to accept that your decisions about personnel or strategy have any bearing on poor outcomes. anything that doesn't happen the way you expect it to (ie, your way) is the fault of the sim and the sim alone. it is, for some, frustrating and can make it difficult to have a productive discussion.
January 05, 2013 at 02:38PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jbzomal75
In the NFL a kicker is lucky if he misses one XP a year, mine has already missed two in the preseason and one in the regular season(which is only two games old). That's excessive.
it is excessive. and i'd say it has one of two causes. one, there is a flaw in the game with extra points now after the changes. it may be that you have identified a flaw in the game code that others haven't noticed because they aren't paying as close attention. chris is looking into this and i'm sure will have some data soon. or, alternatively, two, you are using a punter out of position as a kicker. the fact that K is is best pos does not negate the heavy execution penalty for an out of (natural) position guy in bad weather. i think chris has said this. i don't know what your holder is like but if he has trouble adjusting to poor conditions he may be a factor as well. alos, regardless of the fact that your guy happens to be a single point better at K than P, the simple fact is that he's not a very good kicker.
to me this is just a perfect microcosm of why you sometimes have arguments about stuff like this on the boards. you are, pretty much every time something comes up, unwilling to accept that your decisions about personnel or strategy have any bearing on poor outcomes. anything that doesn't happen the way you expect it to (ie, your way) is the fault of the sim and the sim alone. it is, for some, frustrating and can make it difficult to have a productive discussion.
jbzomal75
If you look at his player card his kicking skill is B and his punting skill is B-. It's my understanding that the ratings listed there already take into account the penalty for playing out of position. That being said, why would he even BE listed as a punter instead of kicker if his kicking score is higher?
A single point? You know this how? And if he's not very good then why aren't all the other comparable kickers in the league missing XPs at the same rate?
That's funny because the reason why people argue with you is because you refuse to ever accept the fact that an issue could indeed be the sim and not human error. If a player has a better kicker score than punter score then to me he should be a better kicker. Weather shouldn't be that much of a factor on XPs unless conditions are extreme so to just file it away as being caused by the elements seems very arbitrary and foolish to me.
January 05, 2013 at 03:30PM View BBCode
the fact that K is is best pos does not negate the heavy execution penalty for an out of (natural) position guy in bad weather. i think chris has said this. i don't know what your holder is like but if he has trouble adjusting to poor conditions he may be a factor as well.
If you look at his player card his kicking skill is B and his punting skill is B-. It's my understanding that the ratings listed there already take into account the penalty for playing out of position. That being said, why would he even BE listed as a punter instead of kicker if his kicking score is higher?
alos, regardless of the fact that your guy happens to be a single point better at K than P, the simple fact is that he's not a very good kicker.
A single point? You know this how? And if he's not very good then why aren't all the other comparable kickers in the league missing XPs at the same rate?
to me this is just a perfect microcosm of why you sometimes have arguments about stuff like this on the boards. you are, pretty much every time something comes up, unwilling to accept that your decisions about personnel or strategy have any bearing on poor outcomes. anything that doesn't happen the way you expect it to (ie, your way) is the fault of the sim and the sim alone. it is, for some, frustrating and can make it difficult to have a productive discussion.
That's funny because the reason why people argue with you is because you refuse to ever accept the fact that an issue could indeed be the sim and not human error. If a player has a better kicker score than punter score then to me he should be a better kicker. Weather shouldn't be that much of a factor on XPs unless conditions are extreme so to just file it away as being caused by the elements seems very arbitrary and foolish to me.
dirtdevil
they do. but there is also an additional penalty for kicking in bad weather. that penalty hits out of position kickers harder and, in my understanding, poor EXE kickers harder as well. your guy is both. oh, and my understanding is some guys are listed with a best pos different than their 'natural' one to simulate them having either played out of position due to need in college or, more often, having a skill set that translates better to the pro game at a different position. .
i know it because his player card says K:60 P:59.
generally there are two people here who argue with me about that kind of thing. you and one other. the similarity that i see is that neither of you are willing to accept that there is any chance that you are at fault when your teams don't succeed as much as you think they should. the difference between you guys and me is that i am willing to accept that there are times when the code is broken, as you can perhaps see in option 1 of my earlier post, while you aren't willing to accept that there are times when the decisions you've made haven't been good ones.
he is a better kicker than he is a punter. by one point. but that doesn't mean he's any good at either. as to there being similar kickers around the league, there really aren't. your guy is a B- punter and a B kicker. according to your league's skill rankings every other team in the league but one uses a B or better punter and 13 have a B+ or better. your guy is 18 on the P chart. only two other teams in your league use a B overall K and one uses a B-. so one could say with a good degree of accuracy that your guy is, at best, in the bottom quarter of the league in both areas. so far your league has had three unsuccessful XPs in the regular season. your guy has one and carlson of BOS has two. his guy is actually a much better kicker than yours, so i expect we'll see him on here shortly to register his dissatisfaction.
[Edited on 1-5-2013 by dirtdevil]
January 05, 2013 at 04:18PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jbzomal75
the fact that K is is best pos does not negate the heavy execution penalty for an out of (natural) position guy in bad weather. i think chris has said this. i don't know what your holder is like but if he has trouble adjusting to poor conditions he may be a factor as well.
If you look at his player card his kicking skill is B and his punting skill is B-. It's my understanding that the ratings listed there already take into account the penalty for playing out of position. That being said, why would he even BE listed as a punter instead of kicker if his kicking score is higher?
they do. but there is also an additional penalty for kicking in bad weather. that penalty hits out of position kickers harder and, in my understanding, poor EXE kickers harder as well. your guy is both. oh, and my understanding is some guys are listed with a best pos different than their 'natural' one to simulate them having either played out of position due to need in college or, more often, having a skill set that translates better to the pro game at a different position. .
alos, regardless of the fact that your guy happens to be a single point better at K than P, the simple fact is that he's not a very good kicker.
A single point? You know this how? And if he's not very good then why aren't all the other comparable kickers in the league missing XPs at the same rate?
i know it because his player card says K:60 P:59.
to me this is just a perfect microcosm of why you sometimes have arguments about stuff like this on the boards. you are, pretty much every time something comes up, unwilling to accept that your decisions about personnel or strategy have any bearing on poor outcomes. anything that doesn't happen the way you expect it to (ie, your way) is the fault of the sim and the sim alone. it is, for some, frustrating and can make it difficult to have a productive discussion.
That's funny because the reason why people argue with you is because you refuse to ever accept the fact that an issue could indeed be the sim and not human error.
generally there are two people here who argue with me about that kind of thing. you and one other. the similarity that i see is that neither of you are willing to accept that there is any chance that you are at fault when your teams don't succeed as much as you think they should. the difference between you guys and me is that i am willing to accept that there are times when the code is broken, as you can perhaps see in option 1 of my earlier post, while you aren't willing to accept that there are times when the decisions you've made haven't been good ones.
If a player has a better kicker score than punter score then to me he should be a better kicker. Weather shouldn't be that much of a factor on XPs unless conditions are extreme so to just file it away as being caused by the elements seems very arbitrary and foolish to me.
he is a better kicker than he is a punter. by one point. but that doesn't mean he's any good at either. as to there being similar kickers around the league, there really aren't. your guy is a B- punter and a B kicker. according to your league's skill rankings every other team in the league but one uses a B or better punter and 13 have a B+ or better. your guy is 18 on the P chart. only two other teams in your league use a B overall K and one uses a B-. so one could say with a good degree of accuracy that your guy is, at best, in the bottom quarter of the league in both areas. so far your league has had three unsuccessful XPs in the regular season. your guy has one and carlson of BOS has two. his guy is actually a much better kicker than yours, so i expect we'll see him on here shortly to register his dissatisfaction.
[Edited on 1-5-2013 by dirtdevil]
dirtdevil
http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?displaytab=stats&id=1354027&statsyear=0&statstype=reg&statsmode=kick&statsloc=all&statsweather=-1
as you can see, last year he missed 3 extra points. why? he's a B overall kicker. they miss things sometimes.
and here's my kicker from the JBFL.
http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?displaytab=stats&id=1382521&statsyear=0&statstype=reg&statsmode=kick&statsloc=all&statsweather=-1
he missed two last year. why? he's a crappy EXE kicker. they miss sometimes too. that's how it should work.
January 05, 2013 at 04:27PM View BBCode
by way of comparision, here's my P who i use as a kicker in the WPFL.http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?displaytab=stats&id=1354027&statsyear=0&statstype=reg&statsmode=kick&statsloc=all&statsweather=-1
as you can see, last year he missed 3 extra points. why? he's a B overall kicker. they miss things sometimes.
and here's my kicker from the JBFL.
http://football.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?displaytab=stats&id=1382521&statsyear=0&statstype=reg&statsmode=kick&statsloc=all&statsweather=-1
he missed two last year. why? he's a crappy EXE kicker. they miss sometimes too. that's how it should work.
jbzomal75
I would bet there's lots of other people here that just don't bother arguing with you because they know it will never go anywhere.
I never see YOU willing to accept there's any chance it might be the simulation. Not once have I seen that in all my dealings with you. On the other hand, I do accept that sometimes it's due to human error, otherwise I would complain about every loss no matter what.
Don't conveniently leave out the preseason XP misses just to try and prove your point. Just because it isn't regular season doesn't mean it's not evidence of something being off.
January 05, 2013 at 05:18PM View BBCode
generally there are two people here who argue with me about that kind of thing. you and one other. the similarity that i see is that neither of you are willing to accept that there is any chance that you are at fault when your teams don't succeed as much as you think they should. the difference between you guys and me is that i am willing to accept that there are times when the code is broken, as you can perhaps see in option 1 of my earlier post, while you aren't willing to accept that there are times when the decisions you've made haven't been good ones.
I would bet there's lots of other people here that just don't bother arguing with you because they know it will never go anywhere.
I never see YOU willing to accept there's any chance it might be the simulation. Not once have I seen that in all my dealings with you. On the other hand, I do accept that sometimes it's due to human error, otherwise I would complain about every loss no matter what.
so far your league has had three unsuccessful XPs in the regular season. your guy has one and carlson of BOS has two.
Don't conveniently leave out the preseason XP misses just to try and prove your point. Just because it isn't regular season doesn't mean it's not evidence of something being off.
jack80
In your other post you get frustrated because we talk to you like you fell off a turnip truck. A reason might be that you post complaints blaming AI for the issues, to which there very well may be, but you never provide all the information to dissect the situation to found the root cause. The issue is further compounded by any information brought to the table to help explain the issue to give you feedback to help your team perform better is immediately dismissed as we are crazy despite the overwhelming leverage of the FACTS laid out in front of you.
The only other solution I have to offer is you is to sacrifice a small animal to the sim in hopes it brings favor to your team. After all we are all drinking the cool-aid and we have no idea what we are talking about, so it must be skynet is after you.
January 05, 2013 at 06:19PM View BBCode
jbzomal75 in that preseason game when your guy missed to kicks against my team, it has already been explained one was a straight up miss. The factors being a punter kicking the ball instead of a kicker, the weather conditions, and strong crosswinds, and poor execution of your punter. However you failed to mention in any of this the miss was also attributable to your holder having a bad hold. The other kick was blocked, which happens. The game recently your guy missed another kick, guess what it was the same playing conditions as when you played me so it should be no surprise that it happened again. You had the facts you didn't learn from your mistake, it is your fault not the sim.In your other post you get frustrated because we talk to you like you fell off a turnip truck. A reason might be that you post complaints blaming AI for the issues, to which there very well may be, but you never provide all the information to dissect the situation to found the root cause. The issue is further compounded by any information brought to the table to help explain the issue to give you feedback to help your team perform better is immediately dismissed as we are crazy despite the overwhelming leverage of the FACTS laid out in front of you.
The only other solution I have to offer is you is to sacrifice a small animal to the sim in hopes it brings favor to your team. After all we are all drinking the cool-aid and we have no idea what we are talking about, so it must be skynet is after you.
dirtdevil
seriously? here's two just from this thread:
there's also this thread: http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=350954
and this: http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=341941
i'm not conveniently leaving out anything, i just didn't open that stat page. why should i have to do all the work on your issue? this is your league. access the information yourself for a change.
since you won't bother though, for the record, there were four missed XPs in your league in the preseason. two by your guy, one by the BOS guy again and one by the SA kicker. your guy was 5/7 they were both 11/12. overall including reg seas and pre seas your guy is 7/10 (70%), carlson is 15/18 (83%) and cunningham is 21/22 (95%). the league overall is 97% in both the preseason and regular season. so looking dispassionately, it seems like the league numbers as a whole are pretty good and your team's numbers are pretty bad. that could be because there is a bug that you team has been affected by disproportionally. or it could be that your kicker isn't very good. which do you think is more likely?
[Edited on 1-5-2013 by dirtdevil]
January 05, 2013 at 06:48PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jbzomal75
I never see YOU willing to accept there's any chance it might be the simulation. Not once have I seen that in all my dealings with you.
seriously? here's two just from this thread:
Originally posted by dirtdevil
it's certainly odd. i guess the question is, is this common at this point or a one-game fluke?
Originally posted by dirtdevil
it is excessive. and i'd say it has one of two causes. one, there is a flaw in the game with extra points now after the changes. it may be that you have identified a flaw in the game code that others haven't noticed because they aren't paying as close attention. chris is looking into this and i'm sure will have some data soon....
there's also this thread: http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=350954
and this: http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=341941
Originally posted by jbzomal75
Originally posted by dirtdevil
so far your league has had three unsuccessful XPs in the regular season. your guy has one and carlson of BOS has two.
Don't conveniently leave out the preseason XP misses just to try and prove your point. Just because it isn't regular season doesn't mean it's not evidence of something being off.
i'm not conveniently leaving out anything, i just didn't open that stat page. why should i have to do all the work on your issue? this is your league. access the information yourself for a change.
since you won't bother though, for the record, there were four missed XPs in your league in the preseason. two by your guy, one by the BOS guy again and one by the SA kicker. your guy was 5/7 they were both 11/12. overall including reg seas and pre seas your guy is 7/10 (70%), carlson is 15/18 (83%) and cunningham is 21/22 (95%). the league overall is 97% in both the preseason and regular season. so looking dispassionately, it seems like the league numbers as a whole are pretty good and your team's numbers are pretty bad. that could be because there is a bug that you team has been affected by disproportionally. or it could be that your kicker isn't very good. which do you think is more likely?
[Edited on 1-5-2013 by dirtdevil]
jbzomal75
One more thing about this: I was going by execution, something that jack80 seems to think is the end all and be all of kicking success.
A factor also being that he is a better kicker than a punter going by his kicker score compared to his punter score, something I have pointed out numerous times yet you continue to ignore.
It's not a mistake, he is my kicker because there are no other options out there right now. If another better kicker becomes available I'll be sure to snatch the guy up. Not only that but other teams get away with using outright punters as their kickers and don't miss that many XPs. It's the fault if the sim continues to make a kicker miss XPs when it's extremely rare in the NFL no matter what the weather. Look at the worst kicker in the NFL and see how many XPs he misses in a year.
What other information? He's missing XPs at an unrealistic rate. I know all about the factors that go into such events and they don't explain why ANY player should miss that many XPs in that many games already. The facts, as you call them, don't justify what's happening.
January 05, 2013 at 06:55PM View BBCode
he is a better kicker than he is a punter. by one point. but that doesn't mean he's any good at either. as to there being similar kickers around the league, there really aren't. your guy is a B- punter and a B kicker. according to your league's skill rankings every other team in the league but one uses a B or better punter and 13 have a B+ or better. your guy is 18 on the P chart. only two other teams in your league use a B overall K and one uses a B-. so one could say with a good degree of accuracy that your guy is, at best, in the bottom quarter of the league in both areas.
One more thing about this: I was going by execution, something that jack80 seems to think is the end all and be all of kicking success.
The factors being a punter kicking the ball instead of a kicker, the weather conditions, and strong crosswinds, and poor execution of your punter.
A factor also being that he is a better kicker than a punter going by his kicker score compared to his punter score, something I have pointed out numerous times yet you continue to ignore.
You had the facts you didn't learn from your mistake, it is your fault not the sim.
It's not a mistake, he is my kicker because there are no other options out there right now. If another better kicker becomes available I'll be sure to snatch the guy up. Not only that but other teams get away with using outright punters as their kickers and don't miss that many XPs. It's the fault if the sim continues to make a kicker miss XPs when it's extremely rare in the NFL no matter what the weather. Look at the worst kicker in the NFL and see how many XPs he misses in a year.
In your other post you get frustrated because we talk to you like you fell off a turnip truck. A reason might be that you post complaints blaming AI for the issues, to which there very well may be, but you never provide all the information to dissect the situation to found the root cause. The issue is further compounded by any information brought to the table to help explain the issue to give you feedback to help your team perform better is immediately dismissed as we are crazy despite the overwhelming leverage of the FACTS laid out in front of you.
What other information? He's missing XPs at an unrealistic rate. I know all about the factors that go into such events and they don't explain why ANY player should miss that many XPs in that many games already. The facts, as you call them, don't justify what's happening.
jbzomal75
And yet you always want ME to do your work and don't want to access the info yourself. See the thread that was locked.
The one isn't exactly an admission and the other isn't included in my dealings with you since it wasn't my thread. I didn't even post in it.
January 05, 2013 at 07:00PM View BBCode
i'm not conveniently leaving out anything, i just didn't open that stat page. why should i have to do all the work on your issue? this is your league. access the information yourself for a change.
And yet you always want ME to do your work and don't want to access the info yourself. See the thread that was locked.
seriously? here's two just from this thread:
The one isn't exactly an admission and the other isn't included in my dealings with you since it wasn't my thread. I didn't even post in it.
dirtdevil
they say so please. otherwise how is anyone to know? EXE is not the be all and end of of anything. it is more important for kickers than most positions, in my understanding, and especially so in bad weather.
he may have. i haven't. regardless, one point is hardly an impressive skill difference.
i'm not about to go through your league's waiver wire to see if there are better K options out there. but the sim isn't making kickers miss, your league is converting at 97%. the sim is "making" YOUR kicker miss. maybe because of a bug. but maybe because he just isn't a very good kicker. i don't know who the worst kicker in the nfl is, or how many XPs he missed. it's your example and your issue, why not provide some information to support your position? i'll tell you one thing though, whoever that kicker is, i can pretty much guarantee he's not a punter.
January 05, 2013 at 07:12PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jbzomal75
he is a better kicker than he is a punter. by one point. but that doesn't mean he's any good at either. as to there being similar kickers around the league, there really aren't. your guy is a B- punter and a B kicker. according to your league's skill rankings every other team in the league but one uses a B or better punter and 13 have a B+ or better. your guy is 18 on the P chart. only two other teams in your league use a B overall K and one uses a B-. so one could say with a good degree of accuracy that your guy is, at best, in the bottom quarter of the league in both areas.
One more thing about this: I was going by execution, something that jack80 seems to think is the end all and be all of kicking success.
they say so please. otherwise how is anyone to know? EXE is not the be all and end of of anything. it is more important for kickers than most positions, in my understanding, and especially so in bad weather.
A factor also being that he is a better kicker than a punter going by his kicker score compared to his punter score, something I have pointed out numerous times yet you continue to ignore.
he may have. i haven't. regardless, one point is hardly an impressive skill difference.
It's not a mistake, he is my kicker because there are no other options out there right now. If another better kicker becomes available I'll be sure to snatch the guy up. Not only that but other teams get away with using outright punters as their kickers and don't miss that many XPs. It's the fault if the sim continues to make a kicker miss XPs when it's extremely rare in the NFL no matter what the weather. Look at the worst kicker in the NFL and see how many XPs he misses in a year.
i'm not about to go through your league's waiver wire to see if there are better K options out there. but the sim isn't making kickers miss, your league is converting at 97%. the sim is "making" YOUR kicker miss. maybe because of a bug. but maybe because he just isn't a very good kicker. i don't know who the worst kicker in the nfl is, or how many XPs he missed. it's your example and your issue, why not provide some information to support your position? i'll tell you one thing though, whoever that kicker is, i can pretty much guarantee he's not a punter.
jbzomal75
There's just no way this isn't excessive. When was the last time you saw a blocked XP in the NFL? Or college for that matter. That's already two I know of since the changes that involved my team one way or another. Who knows how many other ones are being missed or blocked in all the other games across the leagues.
January 05, 2013 at 07:53PM View BBCode
Another blocked XP in my other league, this time it happened to my opponent.There's just no way this isn't excessive. When was the last time you saw a blocked XP in the NFL? Or college for that matter. That's already two I know of since the changes that involved my team one way or another. Who knows how many other ones are being missed or blocked in all the other games across the leagues.
dirtdevil
again, that was me requesting that you provide information to support your position and you refusing to do so.
January 05, 2013 at 08:14PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jbzomal75
i'm not conveniently leaving out anything, i just didn't open that stat page. why should i have to do all the work on your issue? this is your league. access the information yourself for a change.
And yet you always want ME to do your work and don't want to access the info yourself. See the thread that was locked.
again, that was me requesting that you provide information to support your position and you refusing to do so.