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Admin
Suddenly retiring these players is just a means to the end. If you like, you can look at this as if the player died, or the player had a career altering or ending injury, or that he just decided not to play anymore.
I've setup 4 players on this curve in TSL, they should all retire this offseason:
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=354
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=312
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?statsorimps=imps&id=350
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?statsorimps=imps&id=351
This will be turned off by default in all leagues, it will take unanimous votes to turn it on.
For beta, I've turned it on for all 3 leagues and set it up as 2% for each age.
Tyson
New Development System - Early Retirement
August 31, 2010 at 05:57PM View formatted
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I've added a new development system called Early Retirement. The player will be on the regular curve until he hits a predefined age (26, 28, 30, 32) then he will suddenly retire.
Suddenly retiring these players is just a means to the end. If you like, you can look at this as if the player died, or the player had a career altering or ending injury, or that he just decided not to play anymore.
I've setup 4 players on this curve in TSL, they should all retire this offseason:
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=354
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=312
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?statsorimps=imps&id=350
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?statsorimps=imps&id=351
This will be turned off by default in all leagues, it will take unanimous votes to turn it on.
For beta, I've turned it on for all 3 leagues and set it up as 2% for each age.
Tyson
tworoosters
August 31, 2010 at 06:15PM View BBCode
Those links are all BL players, not TSL players .
Admin
The system is turned on for all 3 leagues.
Tyson
August 31, 2010 at 06:23PM View BBCode
Sorry, I had the league wrong. ASL.The system is turned on for all 3 leagues.
Tyson
barterer2002
August 31, 2010 at 08:47PM View BBCode
Is the age random or is that something set on a league by league basis.
Admin
If leagues wanted more options, I could easily add more curves. I figured that was a good place to start.
Tyson
August 31, 2010 at 09:12PM View BBCode
There are 4 curves - retire at 26, retire at 28, retire at 30, and retire at 32.If leagues wanted more options, I could easily add more curves. I figured that was a good place to start.
Tyson
redcped
I love it. I hope one of my leagues will vote for it, but I highly doubt it.
September 01, 2010 at 04:09AM View BBCode
This is very realistic and therefore will undoubtedly anger many people who hate the idea of having a star suddenly retire young. Maybe some of them have heard of Sandy Koufax.I love it. I hope one of my leagues will vote for it, but I highly doubt it.
Admin
Tyson
September 01, 2010 at 03:10PM View BBCode
It was relatively easy to set up, so if nobody uses it, it's not a big deal to me.Tyson
barterer2002
September 01, 2010 at 03:46PM View BBCode
Jason, we'll just have to form a league that does it then
Hamilton2
September 01, 2010 at 04:58PM View BBCode
How will the "early retirement" stuff work with a free agency league that implements the "players cannot retire while under contract" rule? Would those players' contracts be voided, or would the player auto-retire as soon as their current contract was done, or what?
Admin
Tyson
September 02, 2010 at 08:03PM View BBCode
They would auto-retire with the contract in hand, and this would be added as an adjustment.Tyson
tim_ackley
June 04, 2011 at 05:27AM View BBCode
For clarification purposes, by "contract in hand" do you mean that the retired player will be paid, via the adjustment, for the duration of the contract? If so, this does not to be the appropriate logic. If a player retires, shouldn't a contract be terminated?
Admin
Adding this curve may not be ideal for salary leagues, but since we are just testing here I'll leave it alone.
Tyson
June 04, 2011 at 03:11PM View BBCode
Yes, they will be paid for the duration of the contract.Adding this curve may not be ideal for salary leagues, but since we are just testing here I'll leave it alone.
Tyson
tworoosters
In real life when a player retires his team is no longer responsible for any remaining contract years, see Gil Meche as an example .
In the NHL there is a provision for counting retirements against the salary cap but it only applies to players who are over 35 when they sign or whose contracts extend past age 41 (the Kovalchuk rule) .
June 04, 2011 at 03:32PM View BBCode
I see no reason why they would be paid out or have their contract count against the cap .In real life when a player retires his team is no longer responsible for any remaining contract years, see Gil Meche as an example .
In the NHL there is a provision for counting retirements against the salary cap but it only applies to players who are over 35 when they sign or whose contracts extend past age 41 (the Kovalchuk rule) .
Admin
Tyson
June 04, 2011 at 03:33PM View BBCode
This curve is really meant to emulate career ending injuries.Tyson
Admin
Tyson
June 04, 2011 at 06:56PM View BBCode
There are not any pay leagues using it as far as I know.Tyson
greco4170
Now you have the dodgers owing Manny money and he is retired.
June 14, 2011 at 01:07PM View BBCode
Some players have been paid after retirement look at Mo vaughn and Bobby Bonilla who where paid by the Mets for years after playing.Now you have the dodgers owing Manny money and he is retired.
Hamilton2
June 14, 2011 at 03:14PM View BBCode
I think that the beta salary league uses it. There have been some surprises and consequent bad money being paid out.
tworoosters
Lots of players get paid after retirement, but they are deferred contracts which are agreed to by both sides, not a unilateral decision by the player .
Plus MLB has no salary cap, while the ASL does .
Tyson has stated that the "early retirement" is designed to simulate career ending injuries but in both the NBA and NHL "career ending injuries" salaries do not count against the cap, unless the player recovers a la Darius Miles.
June 14, 2011 at 04:08PM View BBCode
Originally posted by greco4170
Some players have been paid after retirement look at Mo vaughn and Bobby Bonilla who where paid by the Mets for years after playing.
Now you have the dodgers owing Manny money and he is retired.
Lots of players get paid after retirement, but they are deferred contracts which are agreed to by both sides, not a unilateral decision by the player .
Plus MLB has no salary cap, while the ASL does .
Tyson has stated that the "early retirement" is designed to simulate career ending injuries but in both the NBA and NHL "career ending injuries" salaries do not count against the cap, unless the player recovers a la Darius Miles.
tm4559
if a team is on the hook to pay somebody for doing something, and must pay them if they are not able to do it, then, there is a risk there (the risk it can't deliver on its obligation to provide what it is being paid to do). wherever there is risk, there is an actuarial who determines the proper rate to insure that risk, and there is an insurance company that writes the policy to capture that premium. this is business stuff. in a salary league, you are kind of simulating a business (you have "salaries."), but, truly, there is so much missing you can't really have stuff like this.
i think the early retirement is cool and all, but, seriously, you can't apply this thing to a hard salary cap situation. it just is too random.
(its fun, don't get me wrong.)
June 14, 2011 at 04:48PM View BBCode
when real life teams pay out salaries to players that had career ending injuires (if they do count against the cap, like in the NBA or NHL, or count against the luxury tax cap or whatever they call it in baseball) they get money from the insurance policies they carrry.if a team is on the hook to pay somebody for doing something, and must pay them if they are not able to do it, then, there is a risk there (the risk it can't deliver on its obligation to provide what it is being paid to do). wherever there is risk, there is an actuarial who determines the proper rate to insure that risk, and there is an insurance company that writes the policy to capture that premium. this is business stuff. in a salary league, you are kind of simulating a business (you have "salaries."), but, truly, there is so much missing you can't really have stuff like this.
i think the early retirement is cool and all, but, seriously, you can't apply this thing to a hard salary cap situation. it just is too random.
(its fun, don't get me wrong.)
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