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cubfan531
Two perfect seasons at 2B
May 03, 2010 at 01:50PM View BBCode
[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=6644671&statsorimps=fielding]Bob Sessi[/url] had two perfect seasons at second base, rightly winning the gold glove each time.
tworoosters
I think there is a flaw in ABE's fielding logic at 2B, I have guys that make 15-20 errors at SS and switch to 2B where they handle as many, or more, chances and consistently post 2-4 errors .
May 03, 2010 at 04:13PM View BBCode
Great work but very odd because his ratings aren't really that good.I think there is a flaw in ABE's fielding logic at 2B, I have guys that make 15-20 errors at SS and switch to 2B where they handle as many, or more, chances and consistently post 2-4 errors .
tm4559
May 03, 2010 at 05:20PM View BBCode
it is odd, because tyson turned up the errors before for second basemen (it was like two years ago, something like that). but then we seem to still see some of them hardly making any errors.
redcped
Here's a breakdown:
0 errors: 4
1 error: 4
2 errors: 2
3 errors: 2
4 errors: 2
more than that: 2
Strikes me as low, yes. Especially since my A+/B Right Fielder has made 7 ...
Also, 12 of the starting 3B have made 7+ errors. and all but one full-time SS have made 7+
May 03, 2010 at 07:23PM View BBCode
Just checked one of my leagues. At the 90-game mark, 14 of the starting 2B in the league have made between 0-4 errors.Here's a breakdown:
0 errors: 4
1 error: 4
2 errors: 2
3 errors: 2
4 errors: 2
more than that: 2
Strikes me as low, yes. Especially since my A+/B Right Fielder has made 7 ...
Also, 12 of the starting 3B have made 7+ errors. and all but one full-time SS have made 7+
connorf
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=6799162
May 03, 2010 at 10:06PM View BBCode
My guys at 2 strait as well.http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=6799162
shep1582
Just ask the 47 guys with Rhino avatars...
May 03, 2010 at 10:43PM View BBCode
It's because 2B men are teh awesome.Just ask the 47 guys with Rhino avatars...
cubfan531
In 2009, the Cardinals moved Skip Shumaker to second base (his total professional experience on the infield was 14 chances over 6 games at third base), he responded with 9 errors over 544 chances, good for a .983 fielding percentage.
Dan Uggla (who'd already made two all star teams at second base), made 16 errors over 706 chances, getting him a .977 fielding percentage.
My point? Anyone honestly capable of playing baseball who throws with their right hand can play second base passably.
May 04, 2010 at 11:59AM View BBCode
It's because second base is the easiest infield position to play.In 2009, the Cardinals moved Skip Shumaker to second base (his total professional experience on the infield was 14 chances over 6 games at third base), he responded with 9 errors over 544 chances, good for a .983 fielding percentage.
Dan Uggla (who'd already made two all star teams at second base), made 16 errors over 706 chances, getting him a .977 fielding percentage.
My point? Anyone honestly capable of playing baseball who throws with their right hand can play second base passably.
cubfan531
May 04, 2010 at 12:01PM View BBCode
(ergo, it doesn't take a superhero to be an amazing second baseman with the glove. See Bill Mazeroski.)
tm4559
May 04, 2010 at 02:40PM View BBCode
it might be the easiest one to play. it is not the easiest one to play well.
bpearly69
May 04, 2010 at 03:38PM View BBCode
eehh, as far as infield positions I think it is, I played everywhere when I played baseball, 2nd base was the easiest spot to play, I was probably the best 2nd basemen on any of my teams, and some do struggle, but 3rd, short, and first are much harder IMO, 2nd base could be the easiest position to play on the field
tworoosters
First off all the outfield positions are easier, you may require more athleticism in CF perhaps but they are dead "easy", run , catch, hit the cut-off man.
I was primarily a catcher/3B/RF for my playing days but like all kids played 2B & SS at a young age and I've got to tell you nothing is "easier" than corner outfield and 3B isn't far behind. The footwork at 3B is minimal, there is no pivot, you don't have to range to cover another base or deal with many SBs .
Technically 2B is even harder than SS, IMO, because of the need to pivot and the higher % of throws that go across your body plus having 225 lb linebacker types bearing down on you intent on wiping out the double play .
Again SS may require better athleticism and SS and 3B require better arms but to call 2B the easiest position on the field is just crazy to me.
May 04, 2010 at 03:51PM View formatted
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Sorry but I've got to take issue with "2B could be the easiest position to play on the field" statement.
First off all the outfield positions are easier, you may require more athleticism in CF perhaps but they are dead "easy", run , catch, hit the cut-off man.
I was primarily a catcher/3B/RF for my playing days but like all kids played 2B & SS at a young age and I've got to tell you nothing is "easier" than corner outfield and 3B isn't far behind. The footwork at 3B is minimal, there is no pivot, you don't have to range to cover another base or deal with many SBs .
Technically 2B is even harder than SS, IMO, because of the need to pivot and the higher % of throws that go across your body plus having 225 lb linebacker types bearing down on you intent on wiping out the double play .
Again SS may require better athleticism and SS and 3B require better arms but to call 2B the easiest position on the field is just crazy to me.
tm4559
this is all kind of part of the thing where 3b got transformed from a place where they put good hitters that weren't scared of the ball, and became some big glamour position because GayRod moved over there. and of course first base (the place where Adam Dunn, Aubrey Huff, i mean, a kazillion broken down players from other positions down through history make a living over there) has become the awesome because the announcers can't stop slobbering all over Mark Teixera.
May 04, 2010 at 04:50PM View BBCode
it is easy in little league i guess. it is crazy easy in softball. but we are talking about professional baseball. and it is not easy to play it well.this is all kind of part of the thing where 3b got transformed from a place where they put good hitters that weren't scared of the ball, and became some big glamour position because GayRod moved over there. and of course first base (the place where Adam Dunn, Aubrey Huff, i mean, a kazillion broken down players from other positions down through history make a living over there) has become the awesome because the announcers can't stop slobbering all over Mark Teixera.
shep1582
If it's the easiest position to play, why do they put good fielders there, and stick clumsy oafs at LF, RF, and 1B? Those positions are historically littered with the statues of Greg Luzinski, Dave Kingman, Dick Stuart, Willie Aikens, Manny Ramirez, Lonnie Smith, Rico Carty etc etc...
Bill Mazeroski gets a terrible rap because he wasn't a great hitter, but he was an amazing athlete, and turned the DP like no other. He may not be deserving of the HOF, but he was a very good ballplayer.
When Jeff Kent came to the Astros, I was expecting a stumble bum, based on his reputation. I was pleasantly surprised to see him play, he had soft hands and a decent arm. He lacked range, but I never once thought he couldn't handle the position.
The modern 2B man, as dad alluded to, have many more responsibilities than when baseball entered the live ball era. In the sim, I don't care, but in real baseball, I'll trade a little offense for a GG at the position.
Just ask Juan Samuel, Tim Raines, Ron Gant, and the hundreds of other great athletes who couldn't do the job...
May 04, 2010 at 06:15PM View BBCode
All due respect to the dumbest statements I've seen in awhile...If it's the easiest position to play, why do they put good fielders there, and stick clumsy oafs at LF, RF, and 1B? Those positions are historically littered with the statues of Greg Luzinski, Dave Kingman, Dick Stuart, Willie Aikens, Manny Ramirez, Lonnie Smith, Rico Carty etc etc...
Bill Mazeroski gets a terrible rap because he wasn't a great hitter, but he was an amazing athlete, and turned the DP like no other. He may not be deserving of the HOF, but he was a very good ballplayer.
When Jeff Kent came to the Astros, I was expecting a stumble bum, based on his reputation. I was pleasantly surprised to see him play, he had soft hands and a decent arm. He lacked range, but I never once thought he couldn't handle the position.
The modern 2B man, as dad alluded to, have many more responsibilities than when baseball entered the live ball era. In the sim, I don't care, but in real baseball, I'll trade a little offense for a GG at the position.
Just ask Juan Samuel, Tim Raines, Ron Gant, and the hundreds of other great athletes who couldn't do the job...
tm4559
if it was easy to play though, those big (no glove) sticks stuck in triple A or on somebody's bench would be up playing second and whacking the ball, and the little gnomes that are playing second would be teaching PE.
May 04, 2010 at 06:33PM View BBCode
yeah, kent was from the worst second baseman, he was a fine example of a team can compromise on defense for big offense there, a little compromise.if it was easy to play though, those big (no glove) sticks stuck in triple A or on somebody's bench would be up playing second and whacking the ball, and the little gnomes that are playing second would be teaching PE.
redcped
Because, as the Coleridge poem goes, "he stoppeth one of three."
And to think now we actually accept "A-Rod" and "K-Rod" as nicknames. I call them abbreviations. Where are the good nicknames anymore?
May 04, 2010 at 09:17PM View BBCode
I cannot see a Dick Stuart reference without noting that he had my favorite literary nickname in sport: The Ancient MarinerBecause, as the Coleridge poem goes, "he stoppeth one of three."
And to think now we actually accept "A-Rod" and "K-Rod" as nicknames. I call them abbreviations. Where are the good nicknames anymore?
shep1582
Berkman is the Big Puma or Fat Elvis. Carlos Lee is El Caballo (sp?). I like King James. I also like the fun stuff that Shaq comes up with, like the Big Fundamental for Tim Duncan. AI's the Answer was clever.
My favorite of all time was Death to Flying Things (I forget the Balt OF'er that was coined for, but he was one who lived up to the nickname).
((And I'm too lazy to look it up))
May 04, 2010 at 09:59PM View BBCode
He was also called, Dr Strangeglove, which was nickname ecstasy.Berkman is the Big Puma or Fat Elvis. Carlos Lee is El Caballo (sp?). I like King James. I also like the fun stuff that Shaq comes up with, like the Big Fundamental for Tim Duncan. AI's the Answer was clever.
My favorite of all time was Death to Flying Things (I forget the Balt OF'er that was coined for, but he was one who lived up to the nickname).
((And I'm too lazy to look it up))
tworoosters
David Ortiz - Big Papi
Shane Victorino - The Flying Hawaiian
Travis Haffner - Pronk
Relatively Recent Ones I liked
Rodney Scott - Cool Breeze
Rich Garces - El Guapo
Frank Thomas - The Big Hurt
Tim Raines - The Rock
Hensley Meulens - Bam Bam
Classics that everyone else hates because they were Yankees
Don Mattingley - Donnie Baseball
Reggie Jackson - Mr. October
Ron Guidry - Louisiana Lightening
Graig Nettles - Puff
May 04, 2010 at 10:36PM View BBCode
Current ones I like;David Ortiz - Big Papi
Shane Victorino - The Flying Hawaiian
Travis Haffner - Pronk
Relatively Recent Ones I liked
Rodney Scott - Cool Breeze
Rich Garces - El Guapo
Frank Thomas - The Big Hurt
Tim Raines - The Rock
Hensley Meulens - Bam Bam
Classics that everyone else hates because they were Yankees
Don Mattingley - Donnie Baseball
Reggie Jackson - Mr. October
Ron Guidry - Louisiana Lightening
Graig Nettles - Puff
shep1582
I take it cool breeze was the effect of his many swings and misses...
Hakeem "the Dream", Clyde "the Glide", the Big Dipper, I never heard Howard's nickname before. My dad swore he used to catch bare handed before games and call his pitchers sissies.
Of course, the best football nickname ever was Fran "You Pathetic, Egotistical, Simple Minded A$$hole" Tarkenton.
May 05, 2010 at 02:57AM View BBCode
Rodney Scott wasn't good enough to earn a nickname.I take it cool breeze was the effect of his many swings and misses...
Hakeem "the Dream", Clyde "the Glide", the Big Dipper, I never heard Howard's nickname before. My dad swore he used to catch bare handed before games and call his pitchers sissies.
Of course, the best football nickname ever was Fran "You Pathetic, Egotistical, Simple Minded A$$hole" Tarkenton.
Jughead
May 11, 2010 at 09:24PM View BBCode
The latest post [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=262942]here[/url] says that 2B errors will be increased in the next set of updates, due to be implemented this week.Pages: 1