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cowboymatt43
How Will Scouting College Players Work?
March 30, 2010 at 03:55PM View BBCode
Will the draft be similar to SD in that you can see a players abilities or will teams be given scouting points that they can use in different ways? Or is the idea of scouting points too difficult to code?
celamantia
Football is a very different animal from baseball when it comes to young players. There are no minor leagues, and you watch your "prospects" develop for four years on national TV, so a completely different approach is needed.
Enter the SCAA: the Simulated College Athletic Association.
The SCAA has 64 member schools divided into two divisions of four conferences each. SCAA Division A has the top-tier schools and tends to attract better players. Players in SCAA Division B, however, may get more playing time than they would in Division A and may develop some small-school studs.
This is where scouting enters the picture.
When players are created as freshmen, you cannot see their full skillset: You see a simple High, Average or Low for each rating. As the four years in college pass, you learn more about those players ratings, with the scale going to ~A, ~B, ~C, ~D, and ~F, then to full + and - grades, then finally numbers (for numbers leagues). Applying scouting points makes these grades appear faster, and also makes certain scores related to development (Potential and Development Curve) visible.
You can apply scouting points at the Division, Conference, Regional, or School level, and I'm thinking of allowing points to actually be applied to individual college players. Applying points at higher levels gives you information about more players but less information about each individual player.
Although it won't happen for the first few releases, my intent is to eventually have colleges play games and the college players to accumulate stats, which will also help with the process.
Naming colleges was actually quite a challenge, as college names are trademarked, along with college football conference names and such. So I had to tweak all the names (substituting University of X for X University or vice versa, College for University or vice versa, etc) until they came up clean on a trademark search. Of course, "real-life" conferences had to be condensed as there are far more shcools and conferences than I can reasonably represent. Anyway, here's how the SCAA ended up:
SCAA DIVISION A
============
Pacific Conference
Washington State College (WSC)
Southern California University (SCU)
California University Los Angeles (CULA)
Nevada University Las Vegas (NULV)
Oregon University (OU)
College of Arizona (CA)
State College of Oregon (SCO)
Hawaii University (HU)
East Atlantic Conference
Conneticut University (CU)
Army Academy (ARMY)
Naval Academy (NAVY)
Virginia University (VU)
South Florida University (SFU)
University of West Virginia (UWV)
Syracuse College (SC)
College of Boston (CB)
Large Eight Conference
Illinois University Urbana (IUU)
Michigan State College (MSC)
University of Indiana (UI)
University of Ohio (UO)
Wisconsin University (WU)
Iowa University (IU)
Oklahoma University (OKU)
Colorado University Boulder (CUB)
Southeast Conference
Alabama College (AC)
College of Texas (CT)
College of Georgia (CG)
Kentucky University (KU)
College of Mississippi (CM)
College of South Carolina (CSC)
Arkansas University (AU)
Technical College of Texas (TCT)
SCAA DIVISION B
============
South Conference
Charleston State University (CSU)
Southern Louisiana University (SLU)
State University of Alabama (SUA)
Western Kentucky College (WKC)
North Carolina University (NCU)
Carolina Coast College (CCC)
Tampa College (TC)
Technical University of Florida (TUF)
Northeast Conference
Vermont University (VMU)
New Hampshire University (NHU)
Delaware University (DU)
Rhode Island University (RIU)
New Jersey University Princeton (NJUP)
Maine State University (MSU)
Merrimack University (MU)
University of Philadelphia (UP)
Great Central Conference
North Dakota University (NDU)
East Minnesota State University (EMSU)
State University of Wichita (SUW)
State College of Missouri (SCM)
Montana University Bozeman (MUB)
Illinois State College (ISC)
Colorado State Technical College (CSTC)
Tennessee Technical College (TTC)
Big West Conference
University of Seattle (US)
South Dakota University (SDU)
Portland University (PU)
South Utah University (SUU)
California University Davis (CUD)
San Diego University (SDU)
California Multitechnic University (CMU)
State University of Idaho (SUI)
Undrafted players go into the Independent Football League (IFL), and as they improve may turn up in later drafts as well.
March 30, 2010 at 05:28PM View BBCode
Originally posted by cowboymatt43
Will the draft be similar to SD in that you can see a players abilities or will teams be given scouting points that they can use in different ways? Or is the idea of scouting points too difficult to code?
Football is a very different animal from baseball when it comes to young players. There are no minor leagues, and you watch your "prospects" develop for four years on national TV, so a completely different approach is needed.
Enter the SCAA: the Simulated College Athletic Association.
The SCAA has 64 member schools divided into two divisions of four conferences each. SCAA Division A has the top-tier schools and tends to attract better players. Players in SCAA Division B, however, may get more playing time than they would in Division A and may develop some small-school studs.
This is where scouting enters the picture.
When players are created as freshmen, you cannot see their full skillset: You see a simple High, Average or Low for each rating. As the four years in college pass, you learn more about those players ratings, with the scale going to ~A, ~B, ~C, ~D, and ~F, then to full + and - grades, then finally numbers (for numbers leagues). Applying scouting points makes these grades appear faster, and also makes certain scores related to development (Potential and Development Curve) visible.
You can apply scouting points at the Division, Conference, Regional, or School level, and I'm thinking of allowing points to actually be applied to individual college players. Applying points at higher levels gives you information about more players but less information about each individual player.
Although it won't happen for the first few releases, my intent is to eventually have colleges play games and the college players to accumulate stats, which will also help with the process.
Naming colleges was actually quite a challenge, as college names are trademarked, along with college football conference names and such. So I had to tweak all the names (substituting University of X for X University or vice versa, College for University or vice versa, etc) until they came up clean on a trademark search. Of course, "real-life" conferences had to be condensed as there are far more shcools and conferences than I can reasonably represent. Anyway, here's how the SCAA ended up:
SCAA DIVISION A
============
Pacific Conference
Washington State College (WSC)
Southern California University (SCU)
California University Los Angeles (CULA)
Nevada University Las Vegas (NULV)
Oregon University (OU)
College of Arizona (CA)
State College of Oregon (SCO)
Hawaii University (HU)
East Atlantic Conference
Conneticut University (CU)
Army Academy (ARMY)
Naval Academy (NAVY)
Virginia University (VU)
South Florida University (SFU)
University of West Virginia (UWV)
Syracuse College (SC)
College of Boston (CB)
Large Eight Conference
Illinois University Urbana (IUU)
Michigan State College (MSC)
University of Indiana (UI)
University of Ohio (UO)
Wisconsin University (WU)
Iowa University (IU)
Oklahoma University (OKU)
Colorado University Boulder (CUB)
Southeast Conference
Alabama College (AC)
College of Texas (CT)
College of Georgia (CG)
Kentucky University (KU)
College of Mississippi (CM)
College of South Carolina (CSC)
Arkansas University (AU)
Technical College of Texas (TCT)
SCAA DIVISION B
============
South Conference
Charleston State University (CSU)
Southern Louisiana University (SLU)
State University of Alabama (SUA)
Western Kentucky College (WKC)
North Carolina University (NCU)
Carolina Coast College (CCC)
Tampa College (TC)
Technical University of Florida (TUF)
Northeast Conference
Vermont University (VMU)
New Hampshire University (NHU)
Delaware University (DU)
Rhode Island University (RIU)
New Jersey University Princeton (NJUP)
Maine State University (MSU)
Merrimack University (MU)
University of Philadelphia (UP)
Great Central Conference
North Dakota University (NDU)
East Minnesota State University (EMSU)
State University of Wichita (SUW)
State College of Missouri (SCM)
Montana University Bozeman (MUB)
Illinois State College (ISC)
Colorado State Technical College (CSTC)
Tennessee Technical College (TTC)
Big West Conference
University of Seattle (US)
South Dakota University (SDU)
Portland University (PU)
South Utah University (SUU)
California University Davis (CUD)
San Diego University (SDU)
California Multitechnic University (CMU)
State University of Idaho (SUI)
Undrafted players go into the Independent Football League (IFL), and as they improve may turn up in later drafts as well.
cowboymatt43
So is Northeast Conference: [url=http://www.northeastconference.org/]NortheastConference.org[/url].
On an initial eyeball test, all the other names and conferences look trademark free.
[Edited on 3-30-2010 by cowboymatt43]
March 30, 2010 at 06:08PM View BBCode
Just fyi, Big West Conference is a real conference name: [url=http://www.bigwest.org/]BigWest.org[/url].So is Northeast Conference: [url=http://www.northeastconference.org/]NortheastConference.org[/url].
On an initial eyeball test, all the other names and conferences look trademark free.
[Edited on 3-30-2010 by cowboymatt43]
celamantia
Up until last week, they were all just in the system as College A 12, College B 15, Conference 3, etc... helps to have more eyes see what I've missed :)
March 30, 2010 at 07:32PM View BBCode
Don't know how I missed those... thanks!Up until last week, they were all just in the system as College A 12, College B 15, Conference 3, etc... helps to have more eyes see what I've missed :)
Jon
March 30, 2010 at 08:45PM View BBCode
Looks pretty good. Is there anything built into the code where college players can enter the draft early, or do they all automatically play four years?
celamantia
Some players will declare as juniors. This is both a function of skills and attitude: High enough skills to play in the SDFL and low enough Attitude to not care about their education.
March 30, 2010 at 09:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Jon
Looks pretty good. Is there anything built into the code where college players can enter the draft early, or do they all automatically play four years?
Some players will declare as juniors. This is both a function of skills and attitude: High enough skills to play in the SDFL and low enough Attitude to not care about their education.
celamantia
I've changed these to North Coast and Wide West.
April 05, 2010 at 11:36PM View BBCode
Originally posted by cowboymatt43
Just fyi, Big West Conference is a real conference name: [url=http://www.bigwest.org/]BigWest.org[/url].
So is Northeast Conference: [url=http://www.northeastconference.org/]NortheastConference.org[/url].
I've changed these to North Coast and Wide West.
BronzalAce
April 05, 2010 at 11:39PM View BBCode
Ha low enough attitude to care about their education
albiez
All making that decision means is that you have a basic understanding of cost/benefit analysis, not that you're some kind of immature asshole.
April 06, 2010 at 08:02AM View BBCode
I don't see why "low attitude" should equal "leaves college early because does not care about education." In a sport with as high a chance of injury as football, you have to be pretty stupid not to take a payday as soon as you possibly can, especially if that payday would more than allow you to go back and pay for one year's tuition and expenses at a state school.All making that decision means is that you have a basic understanding of cost/benefit analysis, not that you're some kind of immature asshole.
cowboymatt43
Cool.
April 06, 2010 at 08:48AM View BBCode
Originally posted by celamantia
Originally posted by cowboymatt43
Just fyi, Big West Conference is a real conference name: [url=http://www.bigwest.org/]BigWest.org[/url].
So is Northeast Conference: [url=http://www.northeastconference.org/]NortheastConference.org[/url].
I've changed these to North Coast and Wide West.
Cool.
celamantia
[Edited on 4-8-2010 by celamantia]
April 08, 2010 at 04:36AM View BBCode
Setting up scouting is similar to setting up coach points in baseball. Note that you cannot see how other teams have their scouts deployed.[Edited on 4-8-2010 by celamantia]
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jetpac
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any chance of being able to run a college team? (obviously this would be pretty far down the line, but I think it'd be cool)
bpearly69
April 09, 2010 at 10:04PM View BBCode
so basically the way it works is if you just put points on the conference you get less info but more players?
celamantia
That is correct.
April 09, 2010 at 10:07PM View BBCode
Originally posted by bpearly69
so basically the way it works is if you just put points on the conference you get less info but more players?
That is correct.
celamantia
The way that this actually work is that the system takes your overall rating (0-1000) plus 1000-Attitude/3 (0-333) and the top 5 juniors each week (not counting the first and last week) with those ratings will decide whether or not to declare, with about a 55% chance to declare. So Attitude is a much smaller portion of it than overall rating.
There are 960 players in each college class (15 per college at 64 colleges), but the number of those players with decent talent is dependent on the number of teams in the league. However, some of the players in the secont talent tier may have Potential that still makes them good choices. These players tend to fall to the lower ranked schools as freshmen but stand out as they collect college improvements, making it worthwhile to check out the smaller schools occasionally.
June 03, 2010 at 01:25AM View BBCode
Originally posted by albiez
I don't see why "low attitude" should equal "leaves college early because does not care about education." In a sport with as high a chance of injury as football, you have to be pretty stupid not to take a payday as soon as you possibly can, especially if that payday would more than allow you to go back and pay for one year's tuition and expenses at a state school.
All making that decision means is that you have a basic understanding of cost/benefit analysis, not that you're some kind of immature asshole.
The way that this actually work is that the system takes your overall rating (0-1000) plus 1000-Attitude/3 (0-333) and the top 5 juniors each week (not counting the first and last week) with those ratings will decide whether or not to declare, with about a 55% chance to declare. So Attitude is a much smaller portion of it than overall rating.
There are 960 players in each college class (15 per college at 64 colleges), but the number of those players with decent talent is dependent on the number of teams in the league. However, some of the players in the secont talent tier may have Potential that still makes them good choices. These players tend to fall to the lower ranked schools as freshmen but stand out as they collect college improvements, making it worthwhile to check out the smaller schools occasionally.
paulcaraccio
November 28, 2010 at 01:02AM View BBCode
should be a lot more talent in the football drafts than baseball...i'd imagine a 4th round pick in the football draft would be a decent assetPages: 1