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Admin
The voting will be refreshed each night like the MVPs. I've put these on a new page, as to not slow down the already bulky AllStar page. You can find this under the Stats menu.
I used a suggested formula for the voting, which is:
(Fielding PCT * 1000) + (+/- * .5) + (RF * 15)
For catchers, the formula is:
(FLD%*1000)+(CS%)-(PB*2)
Position players need a minimum of 5 Innings played in the field at a single position per team game to be eligible, pitchers 1 inning played.
I've made it so that different leagues can use their own formula if they don't like this one. The formula has to be a simple formula like this, using stats from the database and multipliers.
Let me know if you have any feedback.
Tyson
Gold Glove Awards
August 25, 2009 at 10:00PM View BBCode
I have started to add Gold Gloves into the sim. I'm more or less done with the major mechanics, but still need to add the awards on the player cards and owner cards.The voting will be refreshed each night like the MVPs. I've put these on a new page, as to not slow down the already bulky AllStar page. You can find this under the Stats menu.
I used a suggested formula for the voting, which is:
(Fielding PCT * 1000) + (+/- * .5) + (RF * 15)
For catchers, the formula is:
(FLD%*1000)+(CS%)-(PB*2)
Position players need a minimum of 5 Innings played in the field at a single position per team game to be eligible, pitchers 1 inning played.
I've made it so that different leagues can use their own formula if they don't like this one. The formula has to be a simple formula like this, using stats from the database and multipliers.
Let me know if you have any feedback.
Tyson
Admin
Tyson
August 25, 2009 at 10:07PM View BBCode
Also... I have added player popups to the Allstar page.Tyson
tworoosters
To me +/- for fielders and CS% for catchers are the primary measurements of defense in the SIM.
August 25, 2009 at 10:48PM View BBCode
I'd like to see a bit more weight given to +/- and caught stealing personally but this is a nice start.To me +/- for fielders and CS% for catchers are the primary measurements of defense in the SIM.
DwightKSchrute
ETA: Actually, I missed where Tyson said it was easy to use different formulas that's great!
Thanks for working on this Tyson. A lot of people will enjoy this added feature especially me.
[Edited on 8-25-2009 by DwightKSchrute]
August 25, 2009 at 10:56PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoostersSee, the formula has done a great job in every instance I've used it (both leagues, 8 positions, 15 seasons). If you want to propose a different formula and put it through its paces go ahead. This has been tried and true as far as I'm concerned.
I'd like to see a bit more weight given to +/- and caught stealing personally but this is a nice start.
To me +/- for fielders and CS% for catchers are the primary measurements of defense in the SIM.
ETA: Actually, I missed where Tyson said it was easy to use different formulas that's great!
Thanks for working on this Tyson. A lot of people will enjoy this added feature especially me.
[Edited on 8-25-2009 by DwightKSchrute]
DwightKSchrute
August 26, 2009 at 03:50AM View BBCode
I don't see the page under the stats menu. Am I missing something?
DwightKSchrute
August 26, 2009 at 03:51AM View BBCode
Never mind, I had to reload the page after resetting a few things.
hobos
RF brings up another issue, as RF varies wildly by position. Thus it just means each position will have a different scale, so OFs that don't make errors will be favored more so than 1Bs that don't make errors. Obviously this has no effect on each position independently.
However, that's all league dependent so not really worth debating too much. The only change I would encourage: can the links to the player cards direct to the fielding stats, a la the Individual Stats page?
August 26, 2009 at 02:16PM View BBCode
I don't care for that formula, though I'm not going to fight it as I don't have anything much better in mind. However, it comes down entirely to fielding percentage, as the point distribution is essentially 900-1000 for FPCT, -10-10 for +/-, and 30-150 for RF depending on position. Thus +/- has little to no effect (is this by design?)RF brings up another issue, as RF varies wildly by position. Thus it just means each position will have a different scale, so OFs that don't make errors will be favored more so than 1Bs that don't make errors. Obviously this has no effect on each position independently.
However, that's all league dependent so not really worth debating too much. The only change I would encourage: can the links to the player cards direct to the fielding stats, a la the Individual Stats page?
redcped
That said, many great fielders commit more errors simply because they have the range to get to more balls. Cal Ripken had a great fielding percentage but didn't get to dozens of balls Ozzie Smith hauled in.
I do believe RF should be extremely valued, particularly for up-the-middle guys.
August 26, 2009 at 04:05PM View BBCode
Defense is hard enough to quantify effectively in RL, let alone here. There are bound to be issues.That said, many great fielders commit more errors simply because they have the range to get to more balls. Cal Ripken had a great fielding percentage but didn't get to dozens of balls Ozzie Smith hauled in.
I do believe RF should be extremely valued, particularly for up-the-middle guys.
DwightKSchrute
August 26, 2009 at 04:25PM View BBCode
I'll have to post the rationale for the formula tonight after I get home. The fact that FLD% is worth 1000 and the other components don't add nearly that much to the formula doesn't mean that it overweights the percentage. Differing RFs between postions are irrelevant when determining who is best at a given position. It does make the voting look a little weird but to normalize the factor between them would add another variable to the equation adding further strain to the system.
Admin
I'll try to change the links to go to the fielding page today.
Tyson
August 26, 2009 at 04:27PM View BBCode
To be honest, I didn't give the formula much thought, I just used what was posted in the ideascale thread by Dwight. I agree that it is heavily weighted towards FPCT. We'll use this as the default to start with, and as people complain, I can add more formulas to the mix. Only caveat is that the formulas have to be simple without any "ifs" like.... if the player won the Gold Glove before, he gets +10 or something like that - we won't be able to do that.I'll try to change the links to go to the fielding page today.
Tyson
DwightKSchrute
August 26, 2009 at 04:38PM View BBCode
While your doing that it might be nice to spread it out a little. The table is rather small for the page on my computer at least. Just a thought.
celamantia
Rather than spread it out, if we have that room, let's display FPCT and +/- for that player.
Also, if leagues can have different formulas, displaying the formula in use might be good.
--Chris
August 26, 2009 at 04:52PM View BBCode
Originally posted by DwightKSchrute
While your doing that it might be nice to spread it out a little. The table is rather small for the page on my computer at least. Just a thought.
Rather than spread it out, if we have that room, let's display FPCT and +/- for that player.
Also, if leagues can have different formulas, displaying the formula in use might be good.
--Chris
Admin
I made this guy the GG winner last season just to test colors:
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=19856&statsorimps=stats
What do you think? Is it different enough from MVP, yet still readable?
Here's an MVP for comparison:
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=37924
Tyson
August 26, 2009 at 07:08PM View BBCode
Ok, I should have most everything setup. Adding other stuff to the page like FPCT would be a bit of work, so I'm going to hold off for now. I'll add that in next time around.I made this guy the GG winner last season just to test colors:
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=19856&statsorimps=stats
What do you think? Is it different enough from MVP, yet still readable?
Here's an MVP for comparison:
http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=37924
Tyson
DwightKSchrute
August 26, 2009 at 07:40PM View BBCode
I think the color is good my question would be that All-Stars, ROYs, and MVPs are going to supercede the GG I would assume. It could make it hard to figure out if a player won a GG in a year they did well eslewhere.
celamantia
August 26, 2009 at 08:03PM View BBCode
Maybe we can do a title="Gold Glove, All Star Starter, MVP" to the TR for that stat line, Tyson? Then hovering over the row will show all the pertinent awards for that year.
tworoosters
[url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pujolal01.shtml]example[/url].
There appears to be enough space for it.
August 26, 2009 at 08:26PM View BBCode
What about an "Awards Box" each year as BaseballReference does.[url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pujolal01.shtml]example[/url].
There appears to be enough space for it.
Shaheen
August 26, 2009 at 10:05PM View BBCode
I agree something like an Awards box of either small icons or words for awards would be useful instead of color coding.
DwightKSchrute
August 26, 2009 at 10:45PM View BBCode
I would really love to see an awards box containing small icons. A glove for gold gloves, gold Star for allstar starters, silver for the backups, maybe a nice crown for MVP/Cy Young would be sweet. I can try and hunt up small icons, what would you want? 24x24 Gifs?
jetpac
August 30, 2009 at 12:53AM View BBCode
shouldn't the line have a background color on the fielding stats page, too?
tworoosters
August 30, 2009 at 04:19PM View formatted
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Through 89 games of the 2042 season [url=http://beta.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&statsorimps=fielding&id=40785]Jack Garber[/url] is the leader in the American League at catcher despite catching only 97 innings.
hobos
Also, would it be possible to link to the fielding stats on the player card from the GG positional rankings page (like it does for the main GG page now)?
August 30, 2009 at 07:39PM View BBCode
In addition to the innings played issue, are you still using the above formula for catchers? If you are, something's wrong. Garber is at 1000, but should be at 1000 + 21.4 - 2 = 1019.4. This is the case for catchers that actually qualify as well (Hoffman is at 998 + 35.7 - 0 = 1033.7 != 997).Also, would it be possible to link to the fielding stats on the player card from the GG positional rankings page (like it does for the main GG page now)?
lvnwrth
I'd hate to see a Dave Kingman clone in LF win a Gold Glove, while a Jim Edmunds-clone finishes 2nd to a Devon White-clone in CF.
September 02, 2009 at 12:03AM View BBCode
Is there a way to lump all the OF together? We already have the problem in the All-Star voting, where a LF might be the 8th best OF in the league but because the other 7 are CF and RF, good old #8 makes a first-team All-Star appearance.I'd hate to see a Dave Kingman clone in LF win a Gold Glove, while a Jim Edmunds-clone finishes 2nd to a Devon White-clone in CF.
DwightKSchrute
September 02, 2009 at 01:37AM View BBCode
That is what we did. It should be easy to do it that way. Just like the backup OF are figured.Pages: 1 2