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pecker247

Trade Advice

September 07, 2017 at 01:51AM View BBCode

I have an owner in my league that is shopping a younger player. I would like some real advice on these trade offers to see if I am offering too much, not enough or if it's about right. This owner is unhappy with the offers or lack of offers that he is receiving. Here are the offers.

Owner 1 gives up this player.

http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=12545892

I would give up the following:

New York's 6th overall pick this year- draft is below, but more than likely it would be one of these 3 players. Or he can have Detroit's 1st rounder from the following year( should be a top 5 pick)

http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=12616991

http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=12616962

http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?mode=player&playername=nobody&id=12617002

Here is a link to the draft just in case
http://www.simdynasty.com/draftprevnew.jsp?lid=131

I also give up this guy
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=12426894

I also give up this guy
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=12485583

I also give up this guy
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=11772839

So with this trade it's one really good hitter for a #6 overall pick this year or a top 5 pick next year, a decent hitting prospect, a decent relieving prospect and a throw in. That's the first trade I offered.

The 2nd trade I offered was the same 1st rounders either from this year or next. The same hitter in Henshaw, the same reliever as above but I added this guy.
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=11898380

In this trade I asked for Sentell and his 2nd rounder from next year since Pelty is a pretty decent prospect.


Tell me what you guys think. The good the bad and the ugly here.
BKCUBS13

September 07, 2017 at 02:32AM View BBCode

I personally would not make this trade if I was Michael. It is a easy decline.

1. I don't think much of Mickey Sixx and I don't see it holding much if any value.

2. Henshaw is a nice player, will be 21 OS. I see it being about a B/A- A-/A- A- speed at worst and about a B+/A low A/A with A speed more likely. (just a rough estimate w/o knowing its numbers).

3. Pablo will be a 22 yo RP with that has a shot at being A/B+ at best and A-/B at worst. Nothing special in terms of an RP, it wouldn't be my closer on a contending team but a nice middle reliever.

4. The draft pick is the 6th pick in a draft that looks pretty weak. There is no guarantee that Hearn will be there at 6. Also there is no point of guessing what player he will draft b/c I don't know the owners draft rankings or who will be taken before he picks. I can only judge the pick as the 6th pick in a weak draft.

Sentell is a stud
17yo the whole season.

I think his CEILING(not a guarantee) is A+/A+ A/A A+....

So to downgrade from Sentell to Henshaw for a mediocre but not bad RP prospect and the 6th pick in the a meh draft. I find this an easy decline.

If the other owner reads this I would constructively tell him this.

Hold onto Sentell, please.

Right now its value hasn't even peaked.

Just develop it and enjoy it as it becomes possibly the best player in your league. Then when it has reached its ceiling you can ask for a king's ransom or keep it and enjoy the fruits of your labor.

In SD owners are less likely to overpay for an position player prospect than a pitching prospect. So I wouldn't be selling right now. Keep it, 15 cps, and leave it.
mr1313

September 07, 2017 at 02:41AM View BBCode

I wouldn't trade Sentell for either of those packages. I don't know why he seems hell bent on trading him. Sentell will be a stud.
pecker247

September 07, 2017 at 03:00AM View BBCode

I agree. I don't think he should be trading Sentell at all and the league told him that, but he is hell bent on doing it. If he does trade him I want him to at least get a hefty haul in return. A hefty haul is not playoff first rounders, but that's up to Michael to decide. If another owner wants to give up 4 playoff first rounders then that's their deal. You have one owner that wants quantity and another that wants quality. Sentell is one player in the whole grand scheme of things, but if you are rebuilding you would be a fool to get rid of him. Also one of the players that is being offered by another team is the same player that Michael dropped to the waivers. The playoff firsts will only be the 16th pick or the 14th pick and if history repeats itself it will be the 16th overall picks for 4 years in a row. Thats about as good as the first overall pick giving up their 4 2nd rounders for 4 years.

Would you accept 4 2nd rounders from the 1st overall pick for Sentell?
spicoli306

September 07, 2017 at 03:06AM View BBCode

I think it's more than fair, and rather funny considering that seems to be exactly what Michael1 was asking for. The funny thing is why would an owner want to trade a dollar for 3 quarters and a penny? The problem is unless he severely rushes promoting guys like Henshaw, Plutonium, and his own guy [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=12485541]Ott[/url] he's gonna have a mess of a CP situation. I don't know if it is because of System 5 minors, but I highly doubt it magically makes it possible to get 5-6 prospects the necessary development in the Minors. I'd definitely want all 3 of those guys in the minors for at least 1 more season.

But man, if I were you, I'd avoid getting involved with one of the owners involved in the straw that broke the camel's back in that league. I guess he's made up with you, but I would never trust any owner who pulled this kind of junk. I guess you are thinking if the guy is going to give up Sentell for all the wrong reasons, you might as well be the partner in crime. Problem is, would you ever do the deal if you were in his spot??? I'm guessing you'd advise against it if you were honest. Loading up on a ton of minor league talent that you can't develop is such a common mistake in SimDynasty it aught to have a nickname.

Oh, and just to remind you, this was your trade partner a month ago:

posted on 8-8-2017 at 03:47 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
No to Pecker's idea. He wants me gone and so I will leave. I like some private leagues but we would need to have assurances that not only Pecker's agenda would be carried out in league rule votes. Recent events have shown I am a minority. I will leave and not stop you from having the league you want. I wish everyone the best.


Source: [url]http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=448589[/url]
spicoli306

September 07, 2017 at 03:12AM View BBCode

posted on 9-6-2017 at 07:38 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
You called Michael "stupid" "dumb" and "Michelle" multiple times. He won't be dealing with you. Besides, I'll be offering him more than you will, not that it won't stop you from objecting any trade I agree on with Michael.


Jesus, and then you have this garbage to put up with. pecker, just put down the gun and walk away. There is no way this ends up not blowing up like a molotov cocktail.
BKCUBS13

September 07, 2017 at 03:12AM View BBCode

Originally posted by pecker247
I agree. I don't think he should be trading Sentell at all and the league told him that, but he is hell bent on doing it. If he does trade him I want him to at least get a hefty haul in return. A hefty haul is not playoff first rounders, but that's up to Michael to decide. If another owner wants to give up 4 playoff first rounders then that's their deal. You have one owner that wants quantity and another that wants quality. Sentell is one player in the whole grand scheme of things, but if you are rebuilding you would be a fool to get rid of him. Also one of the players that is being offered by another team is the same player that Michael dropped to the waivers. The playoff firsts will only be the 16th pick or the 14th pick and if history repeats itself it will be the 16th overall picks for 4 years in a row. Thats about as good as the first overall pick giving up their 4 2nd rounders for 4 years.

Would you accept 4 2nd rounders from the 1st overall pick for Sentell?


I wrote in the other post(the one with 4 picks) that I would decline as well.
I think somewhere down the road somebody gave Michael advice and he took it as when developing a team you must get Pitching at all costs.

My advice, don't force it. when developing a team, know it will take some time. When you find a diamond on the offensive side keep it and know it will be needed later on if you want to be a playoff team. You get pitching by drafting. No one likes to trade stud pitching prospects not even for stud position prospects. So suck get an early pick and draft pitching.. But if it happens to be a draft where there is a position player like Sentell, well then keep it and develop it and be happy. Stop trying to force the action just develop your team naturally through smart drafting and trading(trading older players for prospects that can help you later on or picks.)

P.S DONT TRADE SENTELL
spicoli306

September 07, 2017 at 03:17AM View BBCode

Originally posted by pecker247
I agree. I don't think he should be trading Sentell at all and the league told him that, but he is hell bent on doing it. If he does trade him I want him to at least get a hefty haul in return. A hefty haul is not playoff first rounders, but that's up to Michael to decide. If another owner wants to give up 4 playoff first rounders then that's their deal. You have one owner that wants quantity and another that wants quality. Sentell is one player in the whole grand scheme of things, but if you are rebuilding you would be a fool to get rid of him. Also one of the players that is being offered by another team is the same player that Michael dropped to the waivers. The playoff firsts will only be the 16th pick or the 14th pick and if history repeats itself it will be the 16th overall picks for 4 years in a row. Thats about as good as the first overall pick giving up their 4 2nd rounders for 4 years.

Would you accept 4 2nd rounders from the 1st overall pick for Sentell?


Remember, you can't negotiate with a madman(i.e. Michael1).

Just wait until they make the lopsided trade and put it up for a vote. There's no way I'd let bawston get away with that garbage after already being the most notorious con-artist this game of SimDynasty has ever seen. And I've never even been in the WBL! :lol:
pecker247

September 07, 2017 at 03:24AM View BBCode

Michael isn't going to trade with me. I just wanted to post what I was willing to offer him for Sentell and honestly it was fair. It seems like he would rather have 4 16th overall picks. Sounds like he wants quantity and not quality, but I could be wrong.

If Michael was serious about trading Sentell and getting some value from him then he would offer trades for him, but I don't think that's happening right now. Honestly taking my 2nd deal with Detroits top 5 deal from next year and the rest of it would be a trade I would personally highly consider because pitching rules and I would want to think about getting lucky and getting a good pitcher in the following draft. Henshaw will be a potential all star possibly and he could play him in a couple of years which helps on the CP situation long term, but not short term. I hope Michael holds onto Sentell. That's the smartest thing to do.
WillyD

September 07, 2017 at 03:37AM View BBCode

If he trades with Montreal without getting one of the top pitching prospects, he's pretty much proved his only intention on re-joining the WBL was to give a big F-U to the rest of the owners while trying to blow up the league once and for all.
Michael1

September 07, 2017 at 01:40PM View BBCode

Spicoli as you said in a previous post. YOUR ADVICE is not needed. I have become convinced that the WBL has no prospects to part with. As to Hell bent to deal him that is not true I was asking because two deals involving him were overturned. I wanted to see what the protesters were willing to give to get him for themselves. They had nothing so the reason of "saving me from myself" is cawcaw.
WillyD

September 07, 2017 at 03:54PM View BBCode

Pecker's offer was decent (the one with the #6 overall pick). I wouldn't take it, but wasn't a bad offer. Quality over quantity. You can always fill in gaps and get your quantity cheap.

Michael, Sentell will only grow in value as he develops.

Keep him, develop him, and then either use him to win a championship, or trade him for some blue chippers. No one is going to give you blue chip major league ready prospects for him.
dirtdevil

September 07, 2017 at 03:59PM View BBCode

Originally posted by Michael1
Spicoli as you said in a previous post. YOUR ADVICE is not needed. I have become convinced that the WBL has no prospects to part with. As to Hell bent to deal him that is not true I was asking because two deals involving him were overturned. I wanted to see what the protesters were willing to give to get him for themselves. They had nothing so the reason of "saving me from myself" is cawcaw.

Michael, the fact that no one was willing to meet your price on sentell does NOT mean that the previous deals involving him were fair. they were garbage and i'm not shocked that they were overturned, although i'm the first to say that I don't feel like collusion was a factor.
dirtdevil

September 07, 2017 at 04:10PM View BBCode

I would also like to say the following:

the trade advice board is a feature that is designed to allow newer owners who are unsure about players values to have a place where they can get feedback from veteran owners about potential trade offers.

IT IS NOT A FORUM FOR THE REST OF THE SITE TO POLICE THE MOTHERFING WALLY BERGER LEAGUE.

I don't know why admin continues to allow that league to exist and turning trades back on is just a blatantly stupid idea. but if that's what's going on, that's your lookout. you made your bed, so lie in it yourselves and stop bringing your childish nonsense onto what should be a productive board. if this board turns into the Wally Berger League trade advice board then it's just time to blow that league to kingdom come.
WillyD

September 07, 2017 at 05:00PM View formatted

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[quote][i]Originally posted by BKCUBS13[/i]
My advice, don't force it. when developing a team, know it will take some time. When you find a diamond on the offensive side keep it and know it will be needed later on if you want to be a playoff team. You get pitching by drafting. No one likes to trade stud pitching prospects not even for stud position prospects. So suck get an early pick and draft pitching.. But if it happens to be a draft where there is a position player like Sentell, well then keep it and develop it and be happy. Stop trying to force the action just develop your team naturally through smart drafting and trading(trading older players for prospects that can help you later on or picks.)

P.S DONT TRADE SENTELL [/quote]

This is great advice. Well said BK!

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